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[edit] Christian's appearences in Ring of Honor

Is it notable that Christian has made two (as of tonight) appearences in the Ring of Honor promotion? Tons of other workers have it noted, and I'd also like to put Christian under Ring of Honor occasional performers or almunus, now that he has been in two shows, and may return in the future.Sarge 2.0 18:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I Agree --Mikedk9109 19:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll put his name on the list of occasional performers in ROH, I just don't know where in the article to include information about his appearences.Sarge 2.0 21:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I would just make a new section for it a title it Ring Of Honor. Put the section right under the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling section. Just a suggestion. --Mikedk9109 21:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can Somebody Tell Me Christian's Face Turn?

Christian has been a heel in the WWE, but is a face for TNA? Why?--Ed-kipedia 22:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Simply a change in characterization between the two companies. TNA, being a separate company, is not beholden to WWE's canon, though they do reference it at times. --HBK|Talk 16:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I think TNA did turn Christian face. In his debut at Genesis. Christian was about to join Team Canada and be alongside his old buddy Scott D'Amore once again, and he even showed up with a Team Canada shirt on. Until he suddenly betrayed them and joined the Dudleyz in jumping them. --172.144.63.168 19:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vitalstatistics

Jeff Jarrett is 5'10". Is Christian really 6'1"?(Halbared 14:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

Re: Yes. He was billed as 6'2" 224 lbs in the WWE and was about that size in reality. He was clearly taller than Chris Jericho (about 5'10"-5'11") and about the same size as, if not a little taller than, Shawn Michaels (6'1" legitimately)

Had a look at a few of his pics, it is difficult to gauge his height from them, he is definately more than 3 inches shorter that Edge, but taller than Lance Storm. I think it is fairer to leave it at 6 ft 1 in. Looking at Michaels standing back to back with Stever Austin shows Michaels is more than 1 inch shorter than Austin.(Halbared 10:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Re: Cool. Agreed

Haha, you were right, I found it here from straight as an arrow Lance Storm:oD http://www.stormwrestling.com/122605.html (Halbared 20:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Kayfabe or spoilers

Might want to put that he No longer champion

The Kafabe restrictions on this place is laughable. Kafabe's dead to any wrestling fan above five years old.

No, it's the same way that people don't want the winners of reality shows announced before they air. Oh, it's "kayfabe" and not "kafabe". TJ Spyke 23:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It's the fact that some people don't want to read spoilers. As far fetched as that may sound, I actually like to not know what is happening before hand when watching TNA, WWE, etc.. It makes it more interesting. Mr. C.C.

Although WWE and TNA are so predictable, it's pointless watching. User:Killswitch Engage

[edit] Unprettier/Impaler

If I'm one crackpot railing against a sea of sanity, fine, whatever, but to me this reads like the two terms are interchangeable, when they most decidedly are not. Tromboneguy0186 22:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no easy way to distinguish between past and present names under the current naming format (though the tables used in the Konnan article might enable this). However, the alternate name should definitely not be removed. Christian called the move by a different name for several years, and Wikipedia should not ignore this fact. McPhail 00:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I am jesse adams and I have to say this Christian Cage's Unpriettier is almost a toatly different wrestleing move than what Triple-H and all them use Billy Kidman's move was allot like it though.

[edit] The Many Betrayals of Christian Cage

I just want to ask one good question: does The Many Betrayals of Christian Cage article deserve to have a spot on the page? Personally, I believe it does, since Christian's character is widely recognized for being one of the most untrustworthy wrestling personas of all time, and that fact is one that has been pointed to on-screen several times even when the show wasn't soon after one of those kayfabe betrayals. It's kind of like the multiple personas of The Undertaker, except not quite as famous. And yes. I did make that article. Because I feel that it was worth a mention and a page. The Awesomeness Fan 19:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be very NPOV, and needs to be cleaned up (not in list format).Lmblackjack21 16:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
It should be merged into Jason Reso's article. Heel turns usually involve a wrestler betraying another one, so there's nothing terribly remarkable about Christian Cage doing it that all the instances deserve their own article. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Only one problem with what you just said, Jtalledo. He's done this stuff at least once each year, and he didn't just turn heel each and every one of those times. In fact, as we all know, he turned face in his TNA debut by doing the same thing to D'Amore. And it is remarkable in a sense, because even Triple H, among others who have been heels even more than Christian has, haven't ended up doing it that many times, or each and every year since getting called up, for that matter. I say that whether we just refer to it in or merge it into Reso's article, the statement needs to have some honorable mention. And in any case, I'll have to look at it now and see how it can be made more NPOV. The Awesomeness Fan 18:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
In that case, it would definitely warrant a mention. I think something in the lead could be mentioned, in a sentence or two describing his in-ring character. An entire article is excessive though and might be original research. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree with the original research thing. Each and every one of those occurances has been placed in at least one other article in the Wikipedia, and not by me. The only one that may deserve to be taken out is the last Trish one from 2004, and even that one actually happened, as you may find out from any Unforgiven 2004 pay-per-view recaps on the Internet.The Awesomeness Fan 19:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Original research isn't about whether or not the information is true, it's the nature of the content. From WP:OR: "unpublished material, for example, arguments, concepts, data, ideas, statements, or theories, or any new analysis or synthesis of published material that appears to advance a position — or, in the words of Wikipedia's co-founder Jimbo Wales, that would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation". That's exactly what that article is. It takes a series of events that did transpire and creates a "historical interpretation". --Jtalledo (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, then. Merge it in. The Awesomeness Fan 22:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to double post, but I just put something in Reso's article under the "Wrestling Facts" section that basically summarizes the entire MBOCC article. Hopefully you guys can tell me if that's good enough. The Awesomeness Fan 19:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I personally think that TMBOCC page should be deleted, because why should all the people Christian has "betrayed" in his career warrant its own page when it's all a normal part of the sports entertainment industry? There's nothing special about it.
Okay, you're right, whoever posted this stuff up and didn't bother to sign himself. Go ahead and delete the page, preferrable after a couple of days. I know it's a normal part of the sports entertainment industry and all, but it is such a recurring thing with Christian that when he does this, you can't help but think back to each and every (at least highly notable) time he's done this before. When you can point out a character that has done this more than a supernotorious heel like Triple H or recently Jeff Jarrett, then it is to be considered somewhat meritable of mention. I now realize that at least for Wikipedia purposes, a whole page is overdoing it at least a little bit. But it does deserve mention nonetheless. -64.12.117.9 19:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Any sources about Christian becoming an American citizen?

I was wondering if there are any sources or links that state that Christian became an American citizen? I have never heard about this and was wondering when this happened and if it is mentioned anywhere?

Scanadiense 20:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Male Nurse?

Since when was Christian ever known as "the Male Nurse"? A little help here? 209.247.22.151 23:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unprettier

is Christian's finisher really called the Unprettier in TNA? Doesn't WWE trademark that?

  • That's what Tenay and West call it in matches. Lordsutch 17:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The Unprettier is not a trademarked name by the WWE. Either Christian owns the trademark, or it has become the name for the inverted double-underhook facebuster, much as the front chancery facebuster has become known as the DDT.--ProtoWolf (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entrance Music

Should there be mentions of his previous entrance themes? Like Blood Brother, the themes he used with Edge, At Last, remixes of At Last, and the music that Tomko used after Christian changed his? L2K 14:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winning the TNA Belt

Did anyone else notice that when he first won the title, it was at the same time his former partner, and onscreen brother edge won th title

You're not totally correct, and it's mentioned all about as part of E&C's article. 63.3.16.1 03:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note on Impaler / Unprettier

Reso's inverted double underhook facebuster was known as the "Impaler" from 1999 to 2001 and as the "Unprettier" from then on. Gangrel and Edge have also had finishing moves known as the Impaler, but these were different moves. Per WWE.com, Reso pinned Matt Hardy at King of the Ring 2000 using the "Impaler" - "Christian scored the next elimination when he pinned Matt Hardy after the Impaler". The move is also described as the Impaler in this review. However, this review and this review, both written several years after the event, both name the move as the "Unprettier". The Impaler equals the Unprettier. McPhail 00:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Not to be disrespectful, but… why was that necessary? At least half of everyone knows the Unprettier was once called the Impaler. Was that just for sourcing reasons or something? 63.3.16.129 00:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
There was a brief dispute over whether the Impaler was an Unprettier or a DDT [1] [2]. McPhail 00:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name move

I don't think it should have been moved. He has also just as well known (if not more so) as just "Christian". I think a move request before failed too. TJ Spyke 04:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines state the article title is to be what the Subject is best known as in this case Christan or Christan Cage.--Monnitewars (talk) 04:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tna world champ

When did this happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterman4 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Christian was the first ever TNA World Heavyweight Champion on May 13, 2007 when NWA stripped TNA of all TNA titles. Christian was the first TNA Champion in the form of the physical NWA World Heavyweight Title. He lost the title that night to Kurt Angle in controversial fashion. The title was stripped on the May 17th, 2007 edition of iMPACT! and then a new champion in Kurt Angle was crowned at Slammiversary 2007. MC511 (talk) 04:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This fight keeps going back and forth, and the same fight is also occuring on the TNA championship page. Is there any source listing Cage as the first TNA champion? What does tna say in their title history?LessThanClippers (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Face

He is not face as i downloaded the script for the 1/3/08 and it says who is face and who is heel (it was big help as we dont get impact in Australia) and its says he is a heel so the article that says he is face is wrong. --124.180.207.93 (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

On impact he's been clearly portrayed as a face, saving santa clause and teaming up with booker t. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.24.233 (talk) 07:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I would say he has not officially turned face, but headed in that direction. his cheap victory over Joe in the Gauntlet match is not a face action. He has been a tweener. However, the way he wrestled cleanly against angle definately hints to his about to be a face, i think its early to call it that thoughLessThanClippers (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

well he stilll uses the heel ramp. --124.180.30.83 (talk) 04:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Break the script out again. Is LAX faces or heels? Mshake3 (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hell if I know. They seem to be tweeners, but not in the usual sense of being in between. More like "full face one week", "full heel the next." TNA seems to be obsessed with confusing smarks. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, my point is that in the leaked script, when a wrestler was scripted to come down to the ring, either BABEFACE or HEEL was next to their name. However, for LAX, it said "LAX ENTRANCE", because it was in reference to which ramp they came down, and thus which ramp all the lights and camers should be focused on. Mshake3 (talk) 04:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)