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This artist is legitimate and will have another independent label professional CD release regionally (in stores) and internationally (online and in online stores) in the next two to four weeks. The artist has historcally shown himself to be a credible influence to the genre of music that he records within.

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[edit] Notability

Is this person notable for being a musician? I don't see how he meets the guidelines in WP:MUSIC.

Separately, the article reads as if it were written by the subject. The material on his youth is unsourced, and probably unverifiable. Is the Dodson one of the editors? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


No sir, Dodson is not one of the editors. He is a very well known Southern Illinois civic leader. I am Senator Richard Durbin's cousin, and the links referenced to Dodson are legitimate. He had a top 50 dance record in Europe just last year, that on top of being a candidate for Mayor of Marion, Illinois in the next election. I am a good friend of Dodson but I do plenty of anonymous work on many other internationally known people originally from our Southern Illinois area. I do believe that the references listed are sufficient and I will continue to add references when I can.

I also trace edit origins on articles, and I see that someone who also edits Dodson's article recently edited an article that you had edited about "Neoconfederates". Regardless of what you or I think about the subject, I don't think that it is necessary for you to place tags on this article in retaliation for an edit on the Neoconfederate entry that I'm sure Mr. Dodson had no participation in. If you have any problems with the user who edited the Neoconfederate article, I suggest you take it up with them on their user talk page, but do not continue to add these kinds of tags to Dodson's well established, long-running article. I am removing the tag. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.107.222 (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

How do you know that Dodson hasn't been an editor? At a minimum, user:PurpleFunk7 apears to be Dodson, having claimed credit for an image used on one of Dodson's projects. User:DeeMoney777 also appears to be a friend of Dodson's, if not Dodson himself. Do you have any sources for your assertions? The top-50 recording? Candidate for mayor? Most of the existing sources for this article are worthless, and very few of the assertions are sourced at all. I don't see what this has to do with the article on neo-confederates. Let's focus on improing this article by fiding sources that establish the subject's notability, and that support the existing assertions. Unverifiable material can be removed at any time. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


Google "Cosmopolitan Lover" and you will see that it is a legitimate recording from 2020 Vison records, recorded by Dodson with his band Bumper and Flashpointe. Cached pages will show that the record charted (if I'm not mistaken) around number 42 in Europe. Also, there are references provided that give people the correct contact information to verify most, if not all of the claims in the article. There are biographical points to the article but I believe they contribute to the progression of the article and I see no need to change it. I don't see how Dodson would have the time to edit the articles himself. He does have many supporters close to him and they could be editing the article. There isn't anything wrong with that, as far as I know. I can verify all of the claims. I can write down or read all of the references, call them or write them or internet search for them, and get responses. It's pretty simple. I've seen far worse on Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.107.222 (talk) 07:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't imagine what I'd find on Google that would verify the political affilations of his parents, the gang problem Dodson faced as a child, the improvement to Dodson's music equipment, or any of the other trivia in this article. Most of the Google hits for Flashpointe go to MySpace. As far as I can tell Bumper is not Dodson's band, but rather he did guest-vocals for them on one track. If you can add verifiable sources for all of the assertions in this article then that would keep them from being deleted. If we do delete material because of missing sources it can always be re-added when sources are found. But the fundamental problem is that even with everything that now in the article sourced there's still doesn't appear to be an assertion of notability that meets Wikipedia standards. Maye we should work on establishing notability first. Since it appears he's most notable as a musician, I suggest reviewing WP:MUSIC to see how he can qualify. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Example of a pointless citation:
That website doesn't say that Dodson were members. All it tells us is that such a church exists. I suggest reading our core policy, Wikipedia:Verifiability. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't one simply make a telephone call to the referenced organizations to verify the claims? The web isn't the only place for verifying sources, and since it establishes a general link for reference, this qualifies as a legitimate method for verification, in my opinion. Can all of the claims on my cousin's site be verified directly by linking off the article? No. I mean, we could go into this for hours, and I'm a lawyer so I could get deep into this. All I know is that you seem to be nitpicking at Dodson's page when there are plenty of other articles in far worse shape than this. I'll continue to improve the article, and I'll make people in the Dodson camp aware of your changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.107.222 (talk) 08:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, calling someone on the phone isn't how we source information on Wikipedia. Apparently you haven't read our policies. WP:V requires that all information be verifiable from reliable, published sources. Published sources mean things like books, newspapers, magazines, or significant web-based news sources. To a limited degree, self-published sources can be used, but they can't be used to establish notability. I suggest we give the "Dodson camp" a week to find a verifiable assertion of notability, and if one can't be found that the article be nominated for deletion. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate that someone added more references, but again we have the porblem of references that don't support the assertions. The only claim to notability the subject has is that he particpated in a single that reached some chart. Simply linking to a musci seller's home page doens't do anything to verify that assertion. I've removed that source and restored the citation request. It looks like several other citrations have the same proble - they just go to generic home pages that don't mention the subject. Please don't waste everyone's time by adding useless sources. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
More problems: I can't find any website for "Illinois One Multimedia", "The Southern Illinois Weekly Review", or "Carbondale Nightlife Magazine". How can we verify the material cited from those sources? Also, while self-published sources are allowed for biographies, it's inadvisable to have too much of an article sourced to them. It appears that seven of the references are essentially self-published, half of the current reference list. It'd be better if we reduced that ratio The most pressing need is still to establish the subject's notability, which must be done with reliable, verifiable 3rd-party sources. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
A week has passed. Let's give it a couple of more days to see if more sources are added. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 11:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)