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June 06 - August 07

Romaji title?

Technically, the Title and EnglishTitle are both titles written in English, and are rather used for differences when the title actually changes in English distribution. So, while Title can be used for the Romaji title, and then EnglishTitle for the Japanese title translated into English words, but it could cause some confusion, especially for lists that include all four types of titles (English version title, title written in English, Romaji, Kanji). I was wondering, maybe a RomajiTitle variable should be put in the template. I'm not sure where it would expand to, and how to format it when all four are in use.

One idea would be just use the original title written in English and any different English version title be used in that cell space, and note both Romaji and Kanji in the summary or something like that. Since this is the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure how helpful it is to have everything defined in the title cell, but I wouldn't be against listing it in another place. The first line that shows the title, air date, episode number, should be kept clean and used so the reader can quickly find stuff. And if someone who does understand the kanji or romaji, they probably also knows what they mean in English.

But then again, I've seen some lists that are using three titles (that don't have a separate english version title, and using Title for the Romaji title) and they don't really look too cluttered, and if they don't have a different English version title then it's not like that variable will be needed on that list, so this might not even be an issue. It doesn't bother me much either way to include kanji and romaji in the title cell or not. -- Ned Scott 07:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

And I've yet to see, or attempt, formatting all four possible titles. If it can be done and look good, I'm all for it. -- Ned Scott 07:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I've updated the template and descriptions so that it will just be assumed that Title (which has been renamed to JapaneseTitle) refers to the romaji title, and EnglishTitle is for the English translation. Situations with a different dub title are more likely to be the minority. -- Ned Scott 10:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

To be a stickler, shouldn't "Japanese title" be whatever the episode was broadcast as, whether in kanji, kana or romaji?--Monocrat 22:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The template this is based on, Template:Digimon episode, used that parameter for the original title written in English, since the dub version had different titles. I didn't think much about this when I applied the same parameters here, and people just started using it for the romaji. The parameters are just a way to format text, they're not meant to be a statement. One can even put info in the wrong parameters if it makes the template's output look fine (although not recommended to avoid confusion). -- Ned Scott 06:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, would it be possible to switch the positioning of KanjiTitle and JapaneseTitle? I think it's better to give pride of place to the original title, but that's just me.--Monocrat 17:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems List of Samurai Champloo episodes is using all 4 types of titles. The titles aren't very long, so it seems to be working for them. For a list like List of Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo episodes where titles can become very long, the idea of sacrificing the Romaji is used. I know some anime editors don't like this idea, but considering the kanji and romaji mean the same thing and won't mean anything to a reader who doesn't speak Japanese.. and those who do speak Japanese probably will be able to read one or the other, and not necessarily need both.. Just some thoughts on the issue. -- Ned Scott 12:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Set screenshot col not to display?

Is there anyway we could get rid of the screenshot column if there is no screen shot variable give? I find that this clutters things up too much. I was going to convert some series that I work on to this template, but.... I'm not doing screenshots and I don't want the box. --Kunzite 17:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Since most in-progress lists will bound to have some episodes with screen shots and some without, doing so would mess up the table. So, I "cheated" and just created a second template that is pretty much identical, except it has no image column. Just rename the top part of the template to: {|Japanese episode list (no image). All the parameters are all the same, so all the information itself doesn't have to be re-formated or anything like that. -- Ned Scott 00:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's an example edit [1]. -- Ned Scott 00:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm still undecided. I converted: Kiba (anime) witht he mail merge function in Word. It takes up a lot more vert. space than the vanilla table, but it is prettier. I fear doing Yakitate!! Japan's 69 episodes. It's long as it is now. (I should make a media and release info page. Maybe I'll use that for a featured list project.) And I have specialized data (weekly ratings) in Nerima Daikon Brothers ... Now I may do Inuyasha media and release information or Sailor Moon media and release information but there's an anon user who likes to revert my changes. (I tried to get rid of one of the titles. Three titles per ep is a bit much, four is overkill.) Decisions. Decisions. Thanks for the template, though! --Kunzite 03:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Too bulky for article pages

In my opinion, this table is just too bulky for article pages, although it is just fine for "List of Anime Title episodes". Instead a much slimmer table listing just the episode number, title, title translation, and airdate should be used in articles. --TheFarix (Talk) 15:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I've proposed some ideas about different size styles and the flow or episode list growth on the main talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes. Also, guidelines about when to split a list and such should also probably be drafted. But yes, I agree, it's very bulky on many pages. Although, it still might be helpful to start the lists on the main article just to attract the attention of editors at first, then once summaries start to get filled out or screenshots provided, then split. Just an idea. -- Ned Scott 06:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Being able to turn that separator line off will also make the table far less bulky. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Episode # Left or right

I've noticed an inconsistently with both {{Japanese episode list}} and {{Japanese episode list (no image)}} with regard to the episode number. The former puts the episode number on the right side of the table while the latter puts the episode number over on the left. Can we not get some consistency between these two? Here is an example where I userfied the two templates to add some new perimeters so that I can seamlessly mix the two. --TheFarix (Talk) 23:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems the image was the only real reason for putting the episode number on the right hand side, so it seemed to make sense to put it on the left for (no image). Some people have requested that even with the image that the episode number be on the left, but I actually didn't have a good idea of how to do this until just now... I guess you could say I'm "cheating", but it'd be easy to just add an additional parameter titled "EpisodeNumber_Right" (or left, or both, and rename the original). So really there'd be two, and it would be possible to use both, but would be explained in the instructions to only use one and just replace the "_Right / _Left" part to "select" position. I still have much to learn about templates, so I don't know if this is the best way to do this, or if there's an easier way that I haven't come across yet.

On another note, I need to include in the instructions that editors only need to list parameters that are going to be used, so a lot of lists that don't use ProdCode don't need to include "|ProdCode=" when they use the template on that article. This would help avoid any confusion about parameters that aren't filled out, since one of the ideas of the template is to encourage editors to fill out fields they see are blank. -- Ned Scott 05:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I could do some experimenting with my userfied version, but I don't think it will be too hard once I put some thought into it. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Got it! I've named the parameter EpisodeNumPos which can take the values of either "Left" or "Right". {{Japanese episode list}} will default to the right and {{Japanese episode list (no image)}} will default to the left if the value is left empty or anything other the Left/Right. Currently, this only works on my userfied versions. --TheFarix (Talk) 13:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Now I've got it that you can set the image to be on the left or right using ImagePos. If it is set to Right, the image is on the right, anything else, the image defaults to the left. --TheFarix (Talk) 14:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

New Parameters

Well, here is my list of new parameters from my sandboxes:

Sandboxed Japanese episode list (no image)
Sandboxed Japanese episode list

ImageSpan (optional)	Overrides the number of rows the image will span across. Default is 1 or 2 depending on other values.
ImagePos (optional)	Sets the position of the image to either the left or right side of the table. Legel values are Right/Left. Default value is "Left".
EpisodeNumberPos (optional)	Sets the position of the episode number to either the left or right side of the table. Legel values are Right/Left. Default values are "Right" for {{Japanese episode list}} and "Left" for {{Japanese episode list (no image)}}.
NoLine (optional)	Turns off the separator line between episode entries when set to "Yes". Default value is "No".
LineSpan (optional)	Overrides the number of columns the separator line spans across from left to right.

--TheFarix (Talk) 15:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, I think the style guidelines should first reflect parameters if they are used to ... go outside the style guidelines :) As for no line, I think if a list is going to be "simple" and not have summaries then it might just be better to use another template (with similar parameter names for upgrading/downgrading compatibility). The separator line is apart of the recommended style for lists with summaries. The idea is to keep things simple and have most parameters for actual content. I'm even thinking there should be a way to get rid of LineColor and be able to define that in the table header.

I know most of this is coming as a possible compromise for List of Air episodes, but I still think using DVD covers on the side is a bad idea. For one, they're not really useful there, the images should be used in their own section so that there's a place to put DVD info (release dates, extras, regions, technical issues, etc). I'm hoping that LOE will come up for guidelines for DVD listings as well. Images beside episodes should be used for identification, and the DVD cover images don't really tell you what episode it is, (unless you own the DVDs and are that familiar with the episodes to know what episodes are on what disc based on the cover, which... yeah).

Even if a Cool Cat style is adopted, it would likely become it's own template. -- Ned Scott 20:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I propse adding "Cool Cat style" to the armada of LOE templates. Mine being used for anime lists featuring dvd covers or for list that have no images. (my list can handle both) --Cat out 00:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but you might want to do that on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes. -- Ned Scott 06:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I went and made it "LineSpan" instead, since, that way one can even modify the usage even more and span the line more than one extra column. Basically, you have to put a manual count of how many columns to span. I also took out the no separator line option since this template is supposed to encourage summaries and when a summary is in use a line separator is encouraged as apart of LOE's style guidelines. I first tried to see how it would look if it just didn't generate the line until ShortSummary was filled out, but it looks weird when only some are filled out but not others. Basically, if one wants to use just a basic list, then another template, such as the one I've proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes#Proposing three levels of episode lists should be used instead. I think the "Small" template I talk about there would better serve this function. And with compatible parameter names being used across templates, one can still upgrade the template to include summaries at a later time. -- Ned Scott 08:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the fewer templates we have to deal with, the better. But I can see developing a separate DVD list template. However, I don't think people should be barred from using DVD covers instead of screen caps on an episode list, especially with the recent furry over WP:FUC and how people interpret what is or is not permitted as "fair use" in regards to screen caps. That is why I've proposed some of these parameters, to make incorporating a single image to identify multiple episodes easier and give the template additional flexibility. --TheFarix (Talk) 14:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion after this point as been moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes -- Ned Scott 08:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ratings...

Can "ProdCode" be hijacked for ratings information or... should I request a new parameter? --Kunzite 19:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Episode list has two "Aux" columns and parameters, I'll copy over the same to this, if that's alright? -- Ned Scott 08:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Coloring

I'll confess that I'm not fond of the new color scheme. I liked how the previous scheme, as a plain wikitable, differentiated the header and other rows and economized on colors. The new scheme requires a break between the header and the first row, and I'm unsure what I think of that. The new scheme also seems to make the table a little too dark.--Monocrat 18:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The line separator between the headers and first row isn't necessary, I've just been doing that for consistency. The line separator's color can also be changed. The darkness is probably because of the "cell shading" that's being tested out (see WT:LOE#Cell shading), it might become an option or just taken out, depending on how people feel. -- Ned Scott 01:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh, just noticed the summary text background isn't white white. I changed it now, and that should help it not look so dark. -- Ned Scott 20:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

New template code being tested

New template code being tested. See WT:LOE#un-filled parameters are no longer an issue -- Ned Scott 10:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

EnglishTitle2

Hi. I found out that just using an aux field was a less messy way to do this. I've left the code in the template, but if you want to excise it then go ahead. I'm not sure we should add any more aux fields either, because we shouldn't encourage a liss that is more messy than what we have.--GunnarRene 19:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

permanent protection

I thought we only permanently protect templates that have been the target of vandalism. But since this template hasn't been vandalized, then the protection is premature. --Farix (Talk) 21:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with preemptive protection. Since this template is typically inserted dozens of times on any given page it appears, it is even a better idea to protect. The template is stable. Unless it's likely to be edited in the first place, there's notreally any reason to protest the protection.

doublechecks* wait, wait. It's not even in use?? *unprotects and nominates for deletion* Circeus 21:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Did you check usage or the template or the talk page? (I always make the mistake of checking whatlinkshere for the talk page instead of the template itself) A count using pywikipedia bot scripts tells me that 172 pages are transcluding the template. -- Ned Scott 22:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

And Template:Episode list has 308. -- Ned Scott 22:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It is an interesting question, since the number of pages is low (for a template), but the number of times per page is high. The only "pending" things for it are to help Internet Explorer properly display the line separators (or just use proper CSS or a different way of separation) and making it more efficient (it has a max of about 200-something times per page before it breaks). -- Ned Scott 22:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think in the past, a reasonable threshold was decided to be circa 150-200 pages. Considering the total number of transclusions, I'll still protect. And yeah, As I told you at your talk, I did check the whatlinkshere for the talk page only -_-;;;; Circeus 00:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I still totally oppose the protection of the template without any recent history of vandalism. It's entirely unnecessarily to have to go through an intermediary to affect changes. This template was mostly developed on the principle of being WP:BOLD, but the protection now puts up an unnecessary roadblock. --Farix (Talk) 01:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how protecting the template would "puts up an unnecessary roadblock" since the template has not received a single meaningful edit in over a month (the last 2 edits did not affect the template itself). I do see a big potential for harming pages,including at least one featured lists. Since any messing with this page can break the entire page layout especially easily,I think protection is appropriate. I don't see any reason to specifically not protect either. Circeus 02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

If there is nothing requiring the template to be protected, then it shouldn't be protected. Isn't that one of Wikipedia's key principles on protection? But I guess if you are unwilling to unprotect the template, then I'll take my case to WP:RFPP. --Farix (Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Any major updates would require a fair amount of caution due to the template's many options and somewhat confusing code. I used to just dive into the template itself to test out new ideas, often reverting back when things didn't turn out so good. However, lately I've been using a sandbox copy of the template so I can be sure I'm not breaking a list that uses a combination of options I didn't think of, and allowing me to be more bold without having to worry about each step of the edit.

We can still be just as bold as we were before, since being bold is not always the same as updating often. Being bold is more about being able to make a change without having to discuss it at great lengths, and being able to just use common sense. It's pretty easy to get an admin to update a protected template via {{edit protected}} with whatever it is you want to change, with or without discussion. -- Ned Scott 04:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested edit

This template is protected, and should be tagged with {{protected template}}, or another suitable protection template. Thanks – Qxz 20:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated code per Template:Episode list

To help greatly aid in the template limitation problem seen in many lists of episodes due to size, as well as to correct the colorbar not showing up in Internet Explorer, this update is ready (tested and all) to replace the current contents of this template. See Template talk:Episode list#Limits part 2 for more info. -- Ned Scott 09:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Update for IE

I hate to request another edit so fast, when we were trying to keep the edit count for the template low, but this edit will fix the IE problem. -- Ned Scott 13:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

holding for new updates. -- Ned Scott 00:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, new code with IE fix and other updates, basically "syncing" up with Template:Episode list. Please replace the contents of this template with this version. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Done - Harryboyles 10:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Ned Scott 01:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Kanji font and encapsulation

{{editprotected}}
I'd like to have the kanji encapsulated in a span tag with a more appropriate style. This was motivated because an ellipse isn't displaying correctly on the list I was working on. It's supposed to look like this (風影として…！), but instead looks like (風影として…！). I'm not sure if every computer can see the difference, but there is one on mine. The ellipsis is not centered vertically.

I suggest the use of the {{nihongo}} template's span style: "". Here is a concrete example of its usage:

Current: "Kazekage to shite…!" (風影として…！)
Span: "Kazekage to shite…!" (風影として…！)

For this, these changes need to be made to the table cell in the fourth line:

Current:

<td>{{#if:{{{EnglishTitle|}}}|'''"{{{EnglishTitle}}}"'''{{ #if:{{{JapaneseTitle|}}}| |{{ #if:{{{KanjiTitle|}}}| | }}}}}}{{#if:{{{JapaneseTitle|}}}|{{#if:{{{EnglishTitle|}}}|''"{{{JapaneseTitle}}}"''|'''"{{{JapaneseTitle}}}"'''}}}} {{#if:{{{KanjiTitle|}}}|({{{KanjiTitle}}})}}</td>

Span:

<td>{{#if:{{{EnglishTitle|}}}|'''"{{{EnglishTitle}}}"'''{{ #if:{{{JapaneseTitle|}}}| |{{ #if:{{{KanjiTitle|}}}| | }}}}}}{{#if:{{{JapaneseTitle|}}}|{{#if:{{{EnglishTitle|}}}|''"{{{JapaneseTitle}}}"''|'''"{{{JapaneseTitle}}}"'''}}}} {{#if:{{{KanjiTitle|}}}|({{{KanjiTitle}}})}}</td>

Thanks for the help. –Gunslinger47 03:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I see no difference on my screen (Safari 2.0.4). It might be just something with your browser and/or fonts. -- Ned Scott 04:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It's due to XP, likely. I have the same issues under both Firefox 1.5 and Explorer 7.

How does the ellipsis display for you? Is it centered like an en-dash ( – ) or low like an underscore ( _ )? –Gunslinger47 04:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Like an underscore. -- Ned Scott 05:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

For reference, he's a screencap from my view:

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ellipsesga7.png –Gunslinger47 05:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The centered elipsis is correct, by the way. Here's an example from the episode in question:

http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asthekazekagest1.jpg –Gunslinger47 05:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure that one is "right" or "wrong". Seems like a minor issue. But whatever. -- Ned Scott 05:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I asked at WikiProject Japan to see if anyone else can comment on the appropriateness. CMummert · talk 12:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. Either (…) or ( ! ) is not originally Japanese, and was not commonly used in conjunction with a Japanese sentence, at least not until Post WWII age. I would therefore say it is a matter of how close you will want to transcribe the original visual (the Japanese phrase or sentence, in this case) into alphabets. Minor it may be, if it is a change that has to take place only one time in a template, and is not going to give additional burden to editors, I may also say it is appropriate. Do not forget you should only regard my comment as much as one single view over 100M native Japanese speakers. Regards, --OhMyDeer 16:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, in order to implement this, is it just the "KanjiTitle" that needs to be inside the span tag? CMummert · talk 14:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Just the kanji, yes. –Gunslinger47 19:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I made the change; please let me know if there are any problems. CMummert · talk 14:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you. The parentheses didn't need to be within the span, but I don't believe that causes a problem. –Gunslinger47 21:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorting episode lists

Hi. We now support two episode numbers per episode, but is there some way the list could support the sortable style? Currently, the plot summaries and stuff mess up sortable episode lists.--GunnarRene 22:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to look into it before but wasn't able to find a remedy. It would be a really cool feature to have. Ah, while typing this message I got a few ideas, though it would require.. some odd formatting. I'll see if I can put something together in my sandbox. -- Ned Scott 04:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Sortable version in testing, see Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Sortable episode format. -- Ned Scott 19:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Currently, if there is no text (or very little text) for ShortSummary in the sortable template, the nested table will not extend to the episode number columns on the right. I think adding a width="(some ridiculous number, say 100000)" rule to that cell should fix that, though.

The reason I bring it up here is that I first noticed this at List of Hidamari Sketch episodes, where Juhachi made a spinoff template of the one used at List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes; currently, there are no summaries for episodes 7-12, and the corresponding cells look ugly as a result. —TangentCube, Dialogues 03:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that's because the sortable code is very basic right now, and unlike the non-sortable template, it hasn't been adapted yet to be used on in-progress lists. It should be pretty easy, though. I'll try to update Template:S-Japanese episode list tonight, to be compatible for in-progress and optional columns. -- Ned Scott 03:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit request

Could an extra parameter be added to allow "alt" text to be displayed, as required by Wikipedia:Featured list criteria #3? Tompw (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable to me. If you make and test the changes in a sandbox, I'll be glad to implement it here. The best practice is to copy the whole template, so that the new version can be copied and pasted on top of this one. CMummert · talk 13:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

There's already an ImageCaption parameter, as far as I can tell: see List of Eureka Seven episodes. —TangentCube /c /t 19:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep, the ImageCaption does the same thing. -- Ned Scott 21:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry for not realising that. Tompw (talk) 22:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit proposal

I have made an edit to the template at User:Juhachi/Japanese episode list; an example of which can be seen at User:Juhachi/sandbox 2. The only change I did was I centered the original air date so it's not left aligned like it is right now.--十八 06:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a safe bet to me, since it was already done to the sister template {{Episode list}}. -- Ned Scott 06:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

done. CMummert · talk 12:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Can the same edit be done to center the english air dates please?{{editprotected}}— Sandtiger 12:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I did it, but if someone complains about template limits, I will not hesitate to undo it. Really, the whole Japanese episode template system needs to be rethought somehow so that these template limits aren't a problem. CMummert · talk 13:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It works well, thanks — Sandtiger 13:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the real problem is that there are some anime shows that have like 300 episodes. I'm thinking it might just be better to make a split template for the high use ones, since they're out of the norm. -- Ned Scott 04:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

New proposal

I want to make the request of centering the episode titles to conform with the recent centering of the original air dates and the English air date on the template. I bring it up because of the recent revivial of List of Air episodes and as you can see, with the episode titles over to the left of the middle box, it leaves a huge blank space since the episode titles are so small. Anyone else agree with the proposal?--十八 00:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Unlike the air dates and episode numbers, the justification of the title to the left is intentional. From a style point of view I think aligning the titles to the left look much better, blank space or not. - Ned Scott 02:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I have made the change to my sample template at User:Juhachi/sandbox 2 again so people can see the difference.--十八 02:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Ned Scott/sandbox2 might be a little clearer with multiple listings. -- Ned Scott 03:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and before I forget, the centering of the air dates was how the template originally was, but it had been taken out when we were trying to reduce the template's raw data size. So it wasn't a change, but a restore (since we were able to reduce the template in other ways, it was safe to restore that formatting). -- Ned Scott 04:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to bring up this proposal again since I want more opinions on what others think; I still would like the episode titles to be centered within the template.--十八 01:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Removing image field

After the extended discussion yesterday at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/List of Family Guy episodes, where it was determined that episode list pages should not routinely contain nonfree images for each episode, I've removed the relevant field from this template. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It might help others to know that an image marker will be added that will allow downstream users (such as Wikia) to place images in the correct place, while maintaining an exact copy of the list as on Wikipedia. I know it's not much, but at least somewhere the effort of selecting those screen shots won't be wasted. -- Ned Scott 00:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

New template code

Once all the lists have been updated to format correctly without the image options we can update the template code to ~~this~~. The update also re-centers all cells except Title and ShortSummary, like it originally was before we had to optimize it. -- Ned Scott 21:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I've gone through and removed the image parameters from all the articles and lists (in article-space) that still had them. —TangentCube, Dialogues 02:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, then this should be all ready. -- Ned Scott 03:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

{{edit protected}} -- Done. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Add new paramater for dub titles?

See WT:ANIME#Template:Japanese episode list. -- Ned Scott 02:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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