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Part of the problem with the Japanese poetry article is that Waka means Japanese poetry not written in Chinese, so it is the Waka article that covers most of the history of Japanese poetry and that is the article that has had the most work done on it. It would be tempting to just use a redirect that sends Japanese Poetry to the Waka article, but that's not quite true either. There is also Kanshi (poetry written in Chinese -- article not written yet), Renga (linked verse), Haiku and Senryu. So I guess what is needed is something that explains all the basics of the different poetry forms, and then points to the different articles on Japanese poetry forms for more detail. gK 21:33, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Disagreed. As for the times till the Premodern, I agree with you almost. Waka it the biggest part in Japanese poetry. But besides Kanshi, we have other minor poetry forms what you skipped, like Dodoitsu (7-5/7-5/7-5/7-5. It appeared in the premodern). As for the modern time Japanese poetry made an expansion and there are many Western influenced poetry so-called liberal metrics. They need their own description. As for the differentiation between Waka and Japanese poetry, we can write here intergenre influence more closely, I suppose. --Aphaea 02:08, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I had completely forgotten about Western-influenced poetry. :-( In my reference books, it's usually referred to as shintaishi (poetry of the new style), or jiyūshi (free-style poetry), or sometimes as just shi. Donald Keene has 100 pages on it in his "Dawn to the West", and the last 50 pages of "The Penguin Book of Japanese Verse" is devoted to 'Modern-style' poems. Also, in Makoto Ueda's "Modern Japanese Poets", among the eight poets he profiles he includes the free-style poets Hariwara Sakutarō, Kenji Miyazawa, Takamura Kōtarō, and Takahashi Shinkichi.
I also missed imayō (modern-style songs) in my list and there is probably more. That's the problem when I start writing off the top of my head, and don't dig into my reference books first.
I also completely missed the various mixings of verse and poetry, such as haiga and the poetic diaries. Now that I start thinking about things, aren't some of the different drama forms also in poetry? That's something I know nothing about.
Hmmmm, you remind many things on me :) Yes, I wondered if it is appropriate to refer drama which is closely relatd to poetry, like Noh... --Aphaea 02:42, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
As for intergenre influences, it almost needs its own genealogical chart. ;-) gK 03:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Indeed! First we start with a sketchy list of significant authors, events, form and finally have a fine chart in a cool style?

Forgetting modesty for a while, can I suggest looking at Irish poetry, English poetry and American poetry as possible models? Filiocht 09:04, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Good subbestion. A chronological discription might have a sence mostly. As for modesty, don't forget the motto Boldly edit :) --Aphaea 23:10, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Spell-check

I spell-checked this article using the SpellBound extension to the Firefox browser. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 09:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Italics for non-English words

Shouldn't all of the non-English words in this piece in italics? Mwanner 15:03, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] H-shi sho or Mr. H Award

ja:H氏賞 is a Japanese award for contemporary poetry, perhaps one of most authorized and best known award related to Japanese contemporary poetry. I refered it in Ishigaki Rin who was awarded with it in 1969, but faced a problem. I couldn't find its fixed translation name in English. If you know it, please correct my edit of Ishigaki Rin. Cheers. --Aphaea 14:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A friend of mine on ja said Mr. H Award is that. --Aphaea 14:31, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ise

The section on the Kokinshu claimed that "Ise" was one of the poets. This seems to derive from confusion with Ise monogatari (tales of Ise), whose authors are, I think, unknown. So I cut the link. But maybe "Ise" is code for "the Ise poet", in which case it would be better to write [[Ise monogatari|the ''Ise'' poet]]. Gdr 12:36, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

I know this is not really the place for idle questions, but it is something that has been omited in the article: What writing system is poetry in these periods written in? Is modern poetry written in kanji or hiragana or katakana? 82.7.41.75 14:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] maekuzuke and senryū

I was under the impression that the "senryū evolved from maekuzuke" theory had been deprecated. Has anyone a reliable citation for the claims in this respect, in the "Pre-modern" section?
--Yumegusa (talk) 11:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)