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[edit] Reservation and Departure Control Systems

I was looking for information about Japan Airlines and I was mainly interested in the Reservations system and Departure Control Systems of Japan Airlines (JAL). By 'systems' I mean, there names, architecture, platform etc. I believe these are *huge* systems - tranasaction processing systems- which cater to huge volumes of transactions yet come out with flying colors.

[edit] Worldperks or AAdvantage?

When I checked the website, they have the AAdvantage logo with Japan Airlines, but Worldperks operates that also, even though you can only redeem points for flights. Why should Worldperks serve that? --RonH 02:37, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oneworld Membership

Reference in the Oneworld pages to potential for JAL to be a future member Moa999 10:06, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I went through the article and capitalized "Oneworld" throughout. Almost all trademarked names should begin with a capital letter -- please see WP:trademarks. -Sarfa 00:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interior

Could anyone get the information on the interior of JAL aircrafts?? For example, Air France first class seating was designed by Contour Premium Aircraft Seating. Spyco

[edit] Airline seating

If you found an aircraft seating, please insert it into the fleet table. Make sure the number is total first, then first/business/economy class. Thanks! - Dimequarterback 07:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I started working on this at User:Sekicho/JAL fleet a few weeks ago, but haven't had time or resources to finish it. Anyone who wants to use the info at the above link, have at it! Sekicho 08:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fleet Chart

I have updated the fleet chart using information on the page to conform to the fleet standard. However, it does not seem to conform to the fleet information on the JAL web site. For example, the web site says the the 747-200 is used for JAL Cargo only. Should this chart reflect what is on the current JAL web site?

--user:mnw2000

[edit] Japanese Language Text

Is it just my browser messing up, or is all of the Japanese text in the article now displaying improperly? All I see are ??????? whereever the Japanese language text should be. -Sarfa 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is the "International Flight Number" section the only one with a bilingual section heading? Either we should make them all bilingual or make none of them. Based on what seems to be standard for English WP articles, I'm voting for none of them. Any thought before I remove the Japanese? -Sarfa 06:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old logos needed

I'm thinking of older logos of JAL (except JAS), please! Bigtop 21:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irrelevant info.

I have deleted the following information from the article

  • Information on the models - this is a hobbyist thing and has nothing to do with the operations or history of the airline --Russavia 18:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airbus A380 order?

I have noticed the following in the article : Japan Airlines confirmed an order for six new Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus A380 aircraft, three freighter and three passenger models, valued at approximately $800 million at list prices (ref:Airliner World, September 2005). I thought Japan Airlines never ordered the A380, and I do not remember reading an article stating otherwise in Airliner World - also it is not listed in the order book at Airbus_A380#ORDERS. I think it might be a good idea to remove the reference to the A380 unless someone can confirm it is true. Camaron1 | Chris 10:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. JAL has not ordered and, to the best of my knowledge, has no interest in ordering the A380. Makes me wonder about the rest of the aircraft orders listed in that reference... -Sarfa 23:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo Copyright

I'm concerned that the logo currently being used in the infobox is copyrighted. According to its license, a low resolution may be used if there is no freely-available substitute, but the one currently being used is high resolution... -Sarfa 14:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

There is also no fair use rationale - the fair use template states one is needed for the picture to count as fair use. Camaron1 | Chris 14:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have added a fair use rationale, that should help. The image might still needs its resolution in this article lowered a bit however. Camaron1 | Chris 14:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The image has now been re-uploaded at a lower resolution. Camaron1 | Chris 18:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nippon vs. Nihon

I just noticed that the Japanese pronunciation in this article identifies the company name as Nippon Kōkū. Shouldn't this be Nihon Kōkū? "Nippon" in this case is not the standard romanization/pronunciation. Also, when calling the reservation line, the agents identify the company as "Nihon Kōkū", so this is how the company itself pronounces the name. Any objections to my changing it? -Sarfa 21:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to Nippon, according to ja: . The formal incorporated name is furiganaed Nippon Kōkū. In practice, everyone pronounces it Nihon Kōkū and tolerate it. Soredewa 03:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a request on the Japanese talk page for a reference citing that the furigana for the actual name is Nippon, but none has yet been provided. I did find some Japanese websites that referred to the company name as Nippon Kōkū, but there were far more that used Nihon -- a Google search shows a more than 4:1 ratio of pages with Nihon vs. Nippon. The Japanese article mentions both pronunciations and I think this makes sense given that nobody (and I've talked to dozens of JAL employees, travel agencies, and regular Japanese people) actually calls it Nippon Kōkū. Should we do the same? -Sarfa 20:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I substituted a guess as observation for clarity. ja:日本航空 says it is formally Nippon, but conventionally it is Nihon. I think Nippon should have the priority because it is formal and makes no troubles when it is pronounced so. I think it is a kind of difference between than written language and the spoken language. But until JAL company(ies) amend their furigana to the government, its formal name(s) continue(s). When a company incorporates a company in one spelling/pronunciation, we need not infer that others are wrong. Soredewa 05:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Right now all images are of aircraft. It might be nice to include this image of the JAL international head office: Image:JAL Building.jpg. Arthena(talk) 15:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the article has far too many images in it, especially since most, as you mentioned, are of JAL airplanes. I went ahead and deleted a few that I felt were unnecessary. Generally, if the image served a purpose (e.g. showing the livery from various points in time), then I left it in. If it was just a picture of a plane and/or there were better images to show the livery off, then I removed them. -Sarfa (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JAL123 render is inaccurate

The render of JAL flight 123 shows the aft pressure bulkhead and tailcone intact but the tail almost completely gone from the bottom up. This is probably based on a photo floating around the net that's been over-enhanced. You can see the real photo and a perfect analysis of it here: http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=195915

The render should probably be adjusted or removed, because it visually implies that the plane crashed because it lost its tail. In fact, yaw wasn't the main problem - inability to move the ailerons due to loss of hydraulics was the direct cause of the accident. --Badasscat (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch! I went ahead and removed the image, since I was on a quest to cut down on the number of images in the article anyway. I think the number is now much more reasonable. -Sarfa (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I contacted User:Anynobody and we'll see what he says about it - BTW Badasscat see if you can get the official accident report. Once the image issue is resolved it should be added back. Because cutting down on the number of images should only be done if there is clutter. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Anynobody said: "Great timing, I was just getting set to revisit that image :) While I do intend to now incorporate the info in the video provided, "this it visually implies that the plane crashed because it lost its tail. In fact, yaw wasn't the main problem - inability to move the ailerons due to loss of hydraulics was the direct cause of the accident." is missing the broader picture. Since all 4 hydraulic systems connect to the rudder (albeit in different places) when it was lost so was the hydraulic system. (Essentially it's like saying JFK died of brain damage without mentioning the bullets.) (PS He/she also seems to not understand what the rear pressure bulkhead is since you can't see it from below, the part missing appears to be the rear tail cone surrounding the APU.)
This info makes me wish I'd of gone with my gut and made more extensive damage." - Reposted here WhisperToMe (talk) 12:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, "clutter" is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, the article hwas cluttered with too many pictures of JAL planes sitting on the ground or landing -- there was a nearly unbroken line of pictures of JAL planes down the right side of the article from start to finish, most unrelated to the text next to which they appeared. As I mentioned in the post above, if I felt that the image provided some benefit, I left it in. Having said that, I have no problem with putting the CG render of JL123 back once it has been updated, since I feel it does add value to the article. -

Sarfa (talk) 15:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Skyteam?

Accroding to the factbox JAL was a member of Skyteam, that is wrong.--Goldwing 5000 (talk) 03:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plush Toy Image

Is the photo of the JAL plush toy necessary? Does it add anything to the article? At the very least, I would argue it is in the wrong section ("Cabin") and at most it doesn't need to be in the article at all. Any objections to my removing it? -Sarfa (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been 5 days and no objections, so I removed it. -Sarfa (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Facts

I starting looking for references for the information in the infobox and found a great page on the JAL website. The numbers we decide to use, though, will vary dramatically depending on, for example, how we define "Destinations". Do we include codeshare only destinations? What about cargo only? Do we count all the domestic destinations within Japan? For the fleet size stat, do we count leased aircraft? Does anyone know any guidelines we can follow? -Sarfa (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)