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[edit] The Japanese Chemical weapons in China

There are more than 700,000 piece Japanese chemical weapons left in China. Chinese civilians have suffered casualties to those weapons to this day. The process of cleaning up has been very slow moving due Japan's lack of funding. This issue should also be explored. Redcloud822 20:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Breadth of coverage

Japan and China may not have had official diplomatic relations prior to the 19th century, but that does not mean they had no relations at all. There needs to be mention here of the Ryukyus in the Edo period, which were formally but secretly controlled by Japan (Satsuma han), and which had direct tributary relations (and strong economic relations) with China. Trade at Nagasaki, though executed by individual merchants and not by the Chinese gov't, should probably be discussed as well. ... Nara/Heian contacts with T'ang China. Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea. There's lots more to be added here. LordAmeth 15:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

A few pictures of Wen Jiabao and Shinzo Abe would help. How can we find something that qualifies as fair use? Colipon+(T) 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] War Reparations

Japan pays China a few hundred million each year as war reparations. Its false and misleading to say that Japan hasn't. So far more than 30 billion us dollars has been paid, in addition Japan still gives out finances and other benefits to China such as construction of recent airports and rail systems. http://www.answers.com/topic/anti-japanese-sentiment

NON,it is just the low-interest loans.So that's why the chinese always take an eye on the japanese.Cause,the chinese suffered from japanese for 60 years,and the chinese didn't get any recompense,even the slightest revenge didn't exist.The japanese army killed at least 20 millions chinese in 8 years,and after WWII,all the japanese in China returned to Japan safely.I dont want to say more.Even 50 years later,some japanese want to deny the war ,whitewash them and impute the war to chinese,lol.--Ksyrie 20:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japan's war crime in China during WWII

This is an defining issue of Sino-Japan relationship, but it is entirely left out here. wonder why? 68.58.41.135 09:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

According to Japan, they never committed any war crimes in China. The only thing worse than a ruthless warmonger is a ruthless warmonger without shame.Erdan 10:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese War Crimes in China of World War II

If I were to pick one event defining China-japan relations, the second sino-Japanese war would be it, eg the war crimes committed by the Japanese military in China and Asia during the 1930;s and 40s. Strangely, this was not included. This event is of extreme historical significance, if not the most and people should be performed about it.

The Japanese military committed some of the world's worst atrocities during the Second Sino Japanese War. At least 30 million people in China alone were killed, massacred, burnt, tortured and in the Nanking Rape, 20 thousand girls and women were raped.

[edit] Requested move (old)

I am requesting moving this to the original name, per naming conventions of Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations, so that it will be in line with all other bi-national relations article names. Chris 22:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hai jin and Sakoku

Wow, this article sure has come a long way since I last commented about it last year... Thank you very much for a job well done. I do have one further concern, however: the current text makes no mention of the Ming Dynasty's hai jin policy, and misrepresents the degree to which Japan was "closed" during the Edo period.

It was the Ming, not Japan, who originally severed relations, as part of their hai jin (海禁, maritime restrictions) policy, and in response to the failure of Japan (which was amidst complete chaos and civil war at the time, under no central authority) to curb the activities of the multi-ethnic, multi-national wokou. Once Japan emulated China and imposed its own maritime restrictions (kaikin, 海禁), Japan continued to have extensive relations with the Ryukyus and Korea, and indeed with Vietnam, Siam, and other polities as well. Sakoku, seclusion, closed-door, and isolationism are all terms which current scholarship generally reject in describing this period.

I apologize for not making edits myself; I am hoping that, with a little suggestion and prodding, editors with more expertise on Chinese history than myself - I really don't know much about the causes of the hai jin policy or the details of its implementation - will be able to figure out how to work it in better. If there are any questions about the Japanese side of things, I would be happy to try to answer them best as I can. Thank you. LordAmeth 20:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

So, the article is now located at "Japan - People's Republic of China relations", which is more accurate, more appropriate, more unwieldy, and far less commonly used than "Sino-Japanese relations." Plus, the article continues to discuss relations long before the Communist revolution. ... What's to be done? Are we going to revert the name back to the simple, commonly used, and not truly inaccurate version, or are we going to leave this alone and split off the pre-modern stuff to a new article? LordAmeth 13:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Split? The historical relations (pre-1949) can be split into China-Japan relations with links at the beginning of either toward the other. Barring that, the material could be moved to Imperial China-Japan relations, e.g. Foreign relations of China. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 00:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I've split the pre-PRC content to Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, but I'm not quite sure if I see what you did. I've gone ahead and undone the redirecting of Sino-Japanese relations to PRC-Japan relations, and split out the content appropriately. LordAmeth 13:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It looks like User:El C reverted the article renaming of People's Republic of China-Japan relations[1], that's probably why when you looked at it, it didn't look like the article was split at all. At the time of my comment People's Republic of China-Japan relations redirects to Sino-Japanese relations, so I'm just going to revert your edits to the article that should have reflected an article split. We should probably get User:El C in here to discuss the renaming before we go ahead to do much more. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I've started a discussion in Talk:Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] = Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


[edit] Suggestion of the renaming to Japan-People's Republic of China relations

I think this page should be named as Japan-People's Republic of China relations

I think the ordering of "People's Republic of China" and "Japan" is strange. with the following reasons.
1. the long word should not be the first. (at least I learned so, if I arrange some words without alphabetical ordering. though sometimes it may violate the NPOV of WIKIPEDIA.)
2. both names are written in fullname. in Official, Japan is Japan.
3. the alphabetical ordering is Japan and People's Republic of China. (I think this doesn't violate the NPOV in Wikipedia)

I gathered the practices of the common rule in the Internet. "Australia, Costa Rica, Egypt, Mexico, People's Republic of China, Russia and Urkaine" "brazil mexico people's republic of china and russia" "Australia, Canada, India, Malaysia, Mexico, People's Republic of China, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia" the name of "People's Republic of China" can be ordered in the 'P' section of the country lists.

and I searched further at University: the Indiana University[2]. "Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Philippines, the People's Republic of China, Russia, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, and Turkey" People's Republic of China is also in the P section. Does "People's Republic of China" show before Japan? no... I'd like to rename People's Republic of China-Japan relations into Japan-People's Republic of China relations?

And I suggest that France-People's Republic of China relations, Germany-People's Republic of China relations, ... should be accepted. (this topic was firstly talked at User talk:Koavf and User talk:Boldlyman with with User:Koavf and User:Boldlyman. Give some comments.--Boldlyman 23:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Rationale The reason for writing the full name of the People's Republic of China (PRC) is that there are two Chinese states: this and the Republic of China (ROC). Alphabetical order is maintained if you assume that the PRC is alphabetized with "China" as its name. See, for instance: List of countries, among several others on Wikipedia. For that matter, see the examples of the Republic of the Congo and Democratic Republic of the Congo, whose names are under "C." The word that is longer or shorter is not preferred, only alphabetical order. The example you gave from IU is a common mistake of called the ROC "Taiwan" and not alphabetizing the PRC under its short-form name of China. Consequently, I am still in favor of the present name. I certainly see no justification for moving it to Japan-People's Republic of China relations. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 00:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The re-orderings make sense to me. John Smith's 15:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are two Chinese states. And we need to express them in different ways without ambiguousness. We already know PRC has no short name without ambiguousness('China' may include Taiwan), and ROC has the short name:TAIWAN without ambiguousness. (ROC has tried to join UN with the name, "TAIWAN". so, I say ROC prefers to be called as TAIWAN. so, IU didn't mistake.) The word 'China' has an ambiguousness. so it leads this issue. Totally, the disambiguous name of 'People's Republic of China' is 'People's Republic of China' only. There are practices that 'People's Republic of China' is arranged in 'P' Section, as I showed you. Justin(Koavf)'s university also introduces the People's republic of China in 'P' Section. If the 'list of disambiguous country name' exists in Wikipedia, the People's Republic of China will be in the 'P' section. What we have to talk is the ordering of the 'list of disambiguous country name'. If Justin(Koavf) has a favor to keep current name, I'd like to expect that Justin(Koavf) would provide the example that People's Republic of China is arranged in 'C' section of the list of disambiguous country name. And... Justin(Koavf) brought out the List of countries. Strictly to say, it is a 'list of countries by its short name', as you know. I think it won't correspond to this case. --Boldlyman 19:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Now, the title was reverted to Sino-Japanese relations. though, I should contintue this discussion. This 'sino' is ambiguous likewise 'China'. Sino may include Taiwan. and I think all people here know the both word of 'Sina'(Sino), 'China' came from one name 'Qing' of Qing dynasty. and this article is written about the relation between Japan and People's Republic of China. and this article doesn't include Japan-Taiwan relations. I repeat PRC has no disambiguous short name. I mean we should not use ambiguous word:Sina, Sino, China as the title name, to represent of People's Republic of China. I recommend this atricle should be renamed into Japan-People's Republic of China relations. --Boldlyman 12:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Boldlyman here, as per the rationale that the articles on France-PRC relations and Germany-PRC relations are phrased in that way. To put the longer name first just looks awkward. LordAmeth 12:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from People's Republic of China-Japan relations to Japan-People's Republic of China relations as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 10:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)