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[edit] Wrong Pictures
The pictures show the Janissaries with beard. But that is forbidden in Ottoman Army, the Turkish soldiers(I mean their origin is Turkish) could have beards but Janissaries were not allowed. The sentence from the article prove that.
- Unlike other Muslims, they were expressly forbidden to wear beards (a Muslim custom), only a moustache. These rules were obeyed by Janissaries, at least until 18th century when they also began to engage in other crafts and trades, breaking another of the original rules.
And the picture "Young Greeks at the Mosque" is also wrong. Firstly the mosques bottom is not covered with marmor or any stone. They are covered with carpets(but under of the carpet is of course stone) because using shoes in mosques forbidden. Also there is no ceremony in Islam about converting to Islam, when a person says Shahadah that person is become a Muslim. I think the painter thought that Islam have a ceremony like Christians Baptism. And that is a typical oriantalistic thought. If no one has a objection to my claims, I'll remove the pictures from the article.
Ruzgar 21:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Please do remove the image. Also, the spelling of the Ottoman Turkish word "یکیچری" looks to me like it says something like yakkicheri not yeniçeri. Perhaps "ینیچری" is the correct spelling? Irtiqaa 02:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- I have removed the pictures. Ruzgar 13:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Not all Janissaries were forbidden to have beards, but the ones under direct control of Sultan and low-ranked soldiers were not allowed to do so. just search the miniatures, they all show most janissaries with beards.
[edit] Battles against the Austrian-Hungarian Empire
The Austro-Hungarian Empire, antecedessor of the Austrian Empire on the same soil, did not exist until 1867. The Janissaries were disbanded in 1826. I somehow doubt they could be involved in any battle
[edit] moving the names here
The name janissary or janizary derives from the Ottoman Turkish: يكيچرى (yeniçeri) meaning "new soldier", with slight variations in other languages: in Albanian: Jeniçer; in Greek: Γενίτσαροι (Yenitsari); in Bulgarian: еничари (enichari) or яничари (yanichari); in Bosnian: Janjičari; in Croatian: Janjičari; in Macedonian: Јаничари; in Serbian: Јањичари or Janjičari; in German: Janitscharen; in French: Janissaires; in Polish Janczaria or Janczarzy; in Romanian: ieniceri; in Hungarian Janicsárok; in Arabic: الانكشارية.
They all seem to be 'yeniceri', and I don't see relevancy. Please pay attention to WP:SOAPBOX in your comments. DenizTC 15:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Etymology
or (derived from Ottoman Turkish: [جان نثاری (Janisari/Canisari) meaning "One who is devoted enough to give his life")
I've moved this from the article until a source is provided, because I've never heard this version of the etymology; for example, it is not mentioned either in the text or the commentary to the translation of the Ottoman Turkish work "Crown of histories", which deals with them at length and which I'm reading at the moment. --91.148.159.4 (talk) 18:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hatemisoldier.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Janissary in fiction?
Janissaries figure prominently in Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle novels. If there are other treatments in literature, film, etc., then perhaps a section can be added. Joshua R. Davis (talk) 15:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
