Talk:Janine Lindemulder

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[edit] Categorization

Lindemulder is not notable as an actor. Her acting is not sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia entry. Lindemulder is notable for her career in pornography. It isn't accurate to categorize her in Category:Bisexual American actors, alongside professional actors such as Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo and James Dean. Joie de Vivre 18:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual orientation

Per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Use_of_categories (an official policy):

"Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual preference should not be used unless two criteria are met:

• The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or preference in question
• The subject's beliefs or sexual preferences are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life

It is my opinion that in this instance, a public sexual performance is not a substitute for public self-identification. I do believe there can be some leniency for historical figures. However, in the case of a contemporary person who makes money from sexual performances, the requirement for a public statement of sexual orientation is especially important. A public sexual performance is not necessarily indicative of sexual orientation, and should not be interpreted as such without supporting evidence. See gay-for-pay for more on this phenomenon. Joie de Vivre 18:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• The article makes claims that she was involved in a long-term lesbian relationship. Unless you're willing to remove those, the bisexual category is valid. Valrith 20:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Lindemulder hasn't made any public statement as to her sexual orientation. See Gay-for-pay; sometimes people perform in pornography with people of the same sex but still identify as heterosexual. We don't know how Lindemulder identifies.

Lindemulder's financially-compensated sexual performances do not substitute for a public statement of sexual orientation, which we need, according to WP:BLP and Wikipedia:Categorization of people. Joie de Vivre 20:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The article's claim that Lindemulder was involved in a long-term lesbian relationship is not cited, and should be removed per WP:BLP. Neitherday 15:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

I've protected this article until you all can decide on which categories are appropriate. Please work together and seek consensus. -Will Beback · † · 20:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what there is to discuss -- per WP:BLP, we need proof that Lindemulder publicly self-identifies as bisexual in order for her to be added to the category. Joie de Vivre 21:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The only argument presented thus far for keeping Lindemulder listed in the category relies on a reference to a claim made within wikipedia article that itself is uncited and needs to be removed per WP:BLP. Neitherday 21:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Neitherday. Both the category and the statement claiming a personal lesbian relationship existed need to be removed. Valrith 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Since everyone seems so agreeable I've removed the protection. -Will Beback · † · 04:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that Valrith's statement of agreement with Neitherday may be misleading. I repeatedly removed Lindemulder from the bisexual-related category on the grounds that we had no sources as to her orientation. Valrith twice reverted my removal and reinstated the unsourced content, once referring to my edit with the abbreviation "rvv" (which is well known as "revert vandalism"). I'm glad that they have changed their view, to now agree that we need sources and should remove the content. Joie de Vivre 23:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is fucked. Someone should fix it, or it should be recommended for cleanup.