Talk:Janez Drnovšek

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[edit] Final Blog Post and Discussion

It would be very helpful, if people would discuss changes to the webpage before they make them!!!! That goes for all contributors. Noone has the right to unilaterally change posts, no matter who they think they are!

Now, there seems to be a quarrel regarding Dr Drnovsek's philosophical views and whether or not, they should be displayed. I personally am in favor of a section with some of his more famous quotes, including the "final blog post". I think that they shine a more clear light on what sort of political and philosophical transformation we are talking about. This section could be just another section on the same page, or we could create a page with the quotes separately.

Please, comment! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusich (talk • contribs) 15:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Quotes as such go to Wikiquote, a sister project. However, some quotes can be used in the article but not excessively. The whole final blog post is far too long to be used as a quote in this article. Nevertheless, a part of it, like 2-3 sentences, can be added. Philosophical views are certainly important and should be mentioned, however, with appropriate tone and cited. --Tone 15:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meeting Bush - Putin

I changed the section refering to Bush and Gorbachev to Bush and Putin. Drnovsek did not arrange any meetings with Gorbachev, he arranged meeting between Putin and Bush on June 16th 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1392791.stm

I also placed that under prime minister section rather than lifestyle change section. It seemed more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusich (talk • contribs) 23:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beliefs

Do you want a separate section on beliefs apart from change in lifestyle? In fact they are intimately related, but someone appears not to want me to quote his beliefs on that page, as they keep deleting my post. When I met him he told me that his life and his beliefs were interwoven and the most important thing was that people should follow their intuition. Please do start a new section for his quotes. 89.243.13.2 (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The thing with WP is that everything needs to be verifiable. So if you say When I met him he told me that, this is not reliable (beside the fact that you are editing under an anonymous IP, why don't you create an account?). If you find good sources that support this statements, it is ok. I don't think a separate section on beliefs is needed, in such a section, beliefs before the change of lifestyle should be discussed as well. And regarding the final post on the blog, it is enough to write a sentence like in his last post on his blog, he summarizes his ideas+link in the references. Citing the whole post is approportional with the rest of the article. Also, read WP:NOR. I am happy you participate in work on this article because we want to make it a really good one. --Tone 16:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear anonymous editor under the IP 89.243.13.2: let me explain why I keep deleting your edits:

1.) To avoid redundancy: once his his views and lifestyle are described, it makes absolutely no sense repeating them over and over again. Terms such as "His lifestyle" and "his views" are enough.

2.) I simply don't uderstand why you keep referring to the Movement for Justice and Development as "his Gibanje foundation", since there is an article of the Movement in the English wikipedia. Besides, your terminology is incorrect: it was not a foundation, but an association, and it is erroneous and misleading to call it "his", since he was not its owner (and as far as I know, not even its formal president). Your obstinate insistence makes absolutely no sense to me. I would appreciate if you at least explained your motivation for using it before deliting my edit again.

3.) I have no idea what the statement "/the book/ which gives for improving your consciousness over a period of 42 days" should mean.

4.) The statement "His spirituality was not just an airy-fairy philosophy but lived." is a subjective assessment, almost impossible to verify, and thus inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. If you wish, you can modify it (in the sense, "Drnovšek insisted that his philosophy was not just etc."), provide sources for this statement and insert it in the proper context (when his lifestyle change is discussed, and not at the end of the article)." As of the quotations, I suggest a wikiquote should be created, rather than a separated section in the article.

I would appreciate if you considered my remarks before you revert my edits again, otherwise I'm afraid I will have to consider it a vandalism. Pa brez zamere, Viator slovenicus (talk) 20:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)