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[edit] An Article on Jane Fonda with No Mention of Her Support for North Vietnam?

For Wikipedia to have any credibility, it can't simply omit a major chunk of a person's public life.


[edit] Dyke or Dike

It seems that both spellings of this word are legitimate but it seems we should standardize on a single one. When first reading the page I had thought it was vandalized till I checked to see that "dyke" was indeed a proper variant of "dike". 63.73.225.234 17:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

The image in the infobox needs to be replaced with one of a younger, more attractive Jane Fonda, not one of her in her 50s signing books.Fistful of Questions 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

how about the anti-aircraft gun one Furiouszebra 07:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

yeah!

[edit] time, distance, Internet

Theres something wrong with "The POW camp visits [1972] also lead to persistent stories - widely circulated on the Internet and via email [ca. 1990s]" that requires that section to be rewritten to put it into context. -Ste|vertigo 01:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christian or Buddhist?

The intro paragraph claims that she has been Buddhist since 2001. Later, under "Christianity", it claims that she became a Christian in 2001. Which is it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.210.147.94 (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Wow

What a bunch of left-leaning POV crap. Articles like this drag down what Wikipedia aspires to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.30.129 (talk • contribs) Have to agree.. I love wiki but this is the same ol left justification bias.*You dont't like it? Then fix it. Mieciu K 00:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Constructive criticism of articles is what Wikipedia needs. Calling anything "crap" here serves no useful purpose. Furthermore, I don't see any bias here for her or against her, just a lot of verifiable historical information, that is commonly known by her supporters and detractors alike. T.E. Goodwin 00:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no criticism section here, yet nearly every notable conservative has a bogus criticism section filled with "references" that come from op-ed pieces. It's a total crock. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

In general, having a separate section for criticism is discouraged by the manual of style. See Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Article_structures_that_can_imply_a_point_of_view. So, rather than advocate the creation of a criticism section here, I think you may find it more productive to work towards bringing the criticism sections of the notable conservatives into compliance with the Wikipedia guidelines. Of course, if you have any more specific suggestions for the present article, then I'm sure they would be appreciated. Silly rabbit 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fonda and the Dykes

Fonda’s trip to Vietnam inAugust 22, 1972, where she made the allegation that the US was attacking the Red River dyke, despite Tom Haden’s commentary, was little more than a Potemkin style show, courtesy of her tour guides.

Although several targets on the dykes were attacked (AA artillery and the like) the US never attacked the dyke system, because had they really meant to destroy it, it would have been destroyed. The damage she saw was from non bombing related flooding, as the civilian population that would normally maintain these were involved in other war related efforts. The article Bombing of Vietnam's dikes, has more information including sources for this (among them Seymour Hersh). Torturous Devastating Cudgel 21:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] jane fonda's ancestry

whereas in the wikipedia it is stated that Henry Fonda has distant Italian ancestry. Jane herself on a several visits to the Netherlands stated that their family's roots lie in the north of the Netherlands in the Province of Friesland. The Fonda name like so many Friesian names end on -a (compare Buwalda, Wiersma etc.). Jane herself stated on one of her visits that the first name Douwe appears a lot in their family. Which is a typical Friesian first name. Also she stated that whenever she visits the Netherlands, she goes up to Friesland to trace her roots. 86.42.29.38 16:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] her actions in Vietnam

April 27, 2007 I had read on a message board that Jane Fonda visited a POW camp in Vietnam. Soldiers were tortured there. She shook the hands of the American soldiers being held there. 4 men slipped her their social security numbers on small bits of paper. She immediately handed the papers over to the man holding them prisoner. 3 of the 4 men were shot and killed. Now I didn't know anything about Jane Fonda before reading about that. I came here to find out more. It seems pretty important and I think the incident should be included (assuming it's factually correct). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KannD86 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Read the article again, this urban legend is mentioned there and dismissed. See: Political activism - "Hanoi Jane" - paragraph four. VirtualDelight 16:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


Like most of the anti-war liberals from the '60's, she demoralized the troops and cost American lives. Plus, they never came to terms with the fact that there were evil people in North Vietnam, and they killed more people after we left than we killed while we were there. Fonda is a liberal idealist that doesn't realize the world has evil people in it. She will die with blood on her hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.159.239.130 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.159.239.130 (talk) 05:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand why people hate her. Isn't it universally agreed the Vietnam war was a *bad thing*?? Surely she should be a hero for protesting against it. --86.135.178.19 (talk) 02:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Um, ok. Anyway, even if the rumors about her giving the letters to the North Vietnamese are incorrect, you can not catagorically deny them based on an article on Snopes.com. Furthermore, the word "debunked" has connotations that suggest a POV. Mrathel (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] education

anyone know where she went to high school —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.145.27.35 (talk) 01:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

There is no mention in the list of Jane's movies of her 1966 movie called "The Game is Over" Her ex-husband Roger vadim made this movie. It was in french w/subtitles. (Sorry I don't have tildes on my computer)


(talk) 05:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New paragraph

I noticed that someone recently added a new paragraph to the "Hanoi Jane" section, someone else deleted it, and then someone else reverted the deletion, considering it vandalism. The paragraph definitely needs to cite sources or be removed, as it could potentially be considered libelous. Andrea Parton 16:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you writing that Jane Fonda passed information to the Viet Cong. She was in Hanoi. The headquarters of the North Vietnamese Army which was very different from the Viet Cong. 70.113.212.209 14:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality dispute?

I see an anon placed a neutrality tag on the article. I came here looking for something to look into and found nothing. What is in dispute specifically? (John User:Jwy talk) 23:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't place the neutrality tag on the article, but did come by and see it. I wonder if the problem is that the article says
"The POW camp visits also led to persistent stories—widely circulated on the Internet and via email—that the POWs she met had reviled her or attempted to sneak notes to her, which she had reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. There are those who claim that these are false accounts. However, there is no evidence to support the claim that the statements have been discredited by the former prisoners who are directly mentioned in the accounts."
These looks like weasel words to me, trying to support the idea that the story is, in fact, true.
Snopes is given as a cite. However, Snopes seems to me to claim the opposite:
"The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above, that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWs to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result, are untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail have repeatedly and categorically denied the events they supposedly were part of." Snopes article on Fonda POW allegations
75.52.93.45 15:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
The tag is for the complete article, so I am going to remove it. It doesn't help there if there is not more discussion here as to what is to be improved. If a tag belongs in the section mentioned above, then lets tag the section. (John User:Jwy talk) 01:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Barbarella23.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged Promiscuity

I took out the line about Fonda's alleged promiscuity during college. First, it was in the Acting Career section, to which it has no relevance, and second, there are no references given, which I think is essential for a statement that some would see as a negative characterization. Mrquizzical (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Majority of Political activism section needs to be removed as it's uncited

Almost the entire "Political activism" section is in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living people and needs to be removed immediately. I realize there should be plenty of reliable sources to cite for these items, but until those citations are included it needs to go. Anyone want to attempt to cite or should I just go ahead and delete. Thought I would ask on the talk page at least since this article is probably getting a fair share of traffic today. I also thought removing immediately would cause edit warring from those editors that might not be familiar with Wikipedia:Biographies of living people or understand that it is the responsibility of the editor adding the controversial material to cite it when initially including it.--Roswell native (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The Romantic relationships section has the same problem. Not a single citation. --Roswell native (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)