Talk:Jan Schakowsky

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[edit] Robert Creamer

I am going to delete the paragraph on Jan's husband Robert Creamer. First and foremost, there were no sources cited. I think this is especially important when discussing legal matters. Secondly, the article is intended to cover Jan Schakowsky. I think a brief mention of her husband is appropriate, but a more detailed discussion should be done on a page dedicated to Robert Creamer.

I am not trying to conceal any information, but I think we must be careful to present it in an appropriate manner. If you wish to add back the deleted content, please discuss first before doing so. Thanks. 02:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

First and foremost, you are acting as a censor to prevent information that could potentially damage Representative Schakowsky from ever being published. How about a nod to publishing the facts over your wiki-coverup? --Jbpo 00:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted an anonymous user's deletion of information relating to Sckakowsky's husband, Robert Creamer, but added a "citation needed" tag following that paragraph, which is more appropriate than simply deleting the information. If somebody disputes the inclusion of that info, they should discuss it on this Talk page BEFORE deleting the information. --TommyBoy 01:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The annonymous deleter also removed notice that Cremer was a lobbyist, which is a defining characteristic of the trial. A US congresswoman married to a lobbyist, who is then convicted of a felony is certainly mentionable in her biography. I have re-inserted Creamer's occupation. I also found a citation from the Chicago Suntimes for Creamers sentencing. Jbpo

Jbpo made an edit that I find questionable. There was a sentence with a source cited (USA Today), which specifically said Jan Schakowsky was not accused of any wrongdoing. This was reworded to state "charged with" in place of "accused of". While the wording may seem minor, I believe it violates the NPOV policy. I think this was intended to insinuate that wrongdoing occurred on Schakowsky's part, but that she had been successful in avoiding prosecution. Also, this user states Schakowsky was on the board of the organization but no source was cited. 68.78.129.198 06:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is a condemnation of Schakowsky's involvement with Creamer's criminal enterprise in the Chicago Tribune. http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/premium/printedition/Friday/chi-0604070150apr07,1,3270729.column. She certainly HAS been accused in the press, albeit not the court. So saying that Schakowsky has not been "charged with" is 100% correct. Here is citation for Schakowsky being on the board at IPAC. http://capitalfax.blogspot.com/2006/04/jan-schakowsky-robert-creamer-and.html. :Jbpo

At some point, shouldn't anonymous edits be barred from this page. There is definitely a repetition of attempts to hide Schakowsky's husband's conviction from the public view. :Jbpo

If you're so worried about anonymous edits, then try signing your comments here! You might want to check you're spelling of anonymous while you're at it too. I left the mention that Schakowsky served on the board of the organization in question. I feel much better about it after a source was cited. I added back that the funds were repaid. I also reverted the deletion of the judge's favorable comments. You may not like these items; you may even think they're an excuse, but that doesn't matter. They are objective facts with properly cited sources, so they should remain in the article. By the way, I read Mr. Kass' article from the Tribune (the link above) and I don't see any explicit accusation of wrongdoing on the part of Schakowsky. There was a veiled criticism of a trip, but his main point was that Jan should not point a finger at Republicans. Also, consider the source, Kass is admitted conservative Republican with a general distaste for politicians (including most Republicans). Don't present your sources as offering more than they do. It diminishes your creditability. 68.78.34.178 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Sources are biased? As biased as the father-in-law of an employee of Bob Creamer-who happened to be the judge in the Bob Creamer case? Can we please ban the anonymous editors? This is a clear case of a shill/censor trying to squash an unfavorable story. As the anonymous poster is identified, I suggest a truce and mediation. Until then, I will post the actual results of the case:Jbpo

Jbpo, you essentially accused a sitting judge of improper conduct and didn't even bother to cite your source. Your edits have not been NPOV and have frequently included deletions of properly sourced information. My edits have typically been to ADD information to the article, and I always cite sources. I request that Jbpo be blocked. This user has launched personal attacks against me, calling me a shill/censor, when in fact his/her own conduct has been suspect. 68.78.39.163 13:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are 10, I am 0. I called you a censor, because you were censoring this entry to suit your propoganda. A shill, kind of a stretch, but you are acting like a shill, but hard to tell as you remain annon. I apologize for calling you a shill. A sneak, yes, but a shill, not yet. Now, can you please identify yourself so that we can declare a truce.:Jbpo

A user named Carlton, without consulting this discussion directed a link concerning Robert Creamer to Robert Creamer, the writer from Sports Illustrated. If this is going to be policed, shouldn't we have a minimal competence level in the policemen? I started a new link to Robert Creamer-Political Activist. Please feel free to add info.--Jbpo 02:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for House Resolution 333

Editors, Your attention is requested in the matter of an AfD nomination for House Resolution 333. I invite your participation on the associated debate page.--OtisTDog 01:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)