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[edit] Picture?

Could we add a picture. She is quite pretty!

[edit] Discography Help

As You can see I added a discography box on the bottom. Two months ago Jamie discussed here 2001 Album. If anyone can find out chart informantions and sales I would be happy if you could post that in the Discography Box. Thanks

[edit] Born in Queens NY

I read her autobiography and she states that she was born in Queens and later moved to Long Island

[edit] What is wrong with this sentence?

"Born to a Jewish father (whose parents were from Romania and Greece, respectively) and a Cuban mother, DiScala " Is this factually incorrect? No. Is it biased in any way? Not that I can see. Does it mention her ethnic Cuban and Jewish background, as well as her Romanian and Greek grandparents' nationalities? Yes. :::Then what is the problem and why the need to revert this? Vulturell 05:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Her heritage - the final word

First of all "Jewish" is a religion and an ethnicity, according to Wikipedia's definition of Jew. Second of all, DiScala/Sigler's father is ethnically and religiously Jewish - thus, her heritage is Jewish and Cuban.

Her official website has some stupid bio that got reposted all over the net. Check her diary on her official site - around the holidays (also 9.9.02 - especially the very last paragraph - is a good one) - she talks about being celebrating Jewish holidays. Unlike the irritating bio, this she wrote in own words.

She also talks about celebrting ChristmasDaveHM 04:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely. Her husband is Italian-American and not Jewish. Her mother was also not born Jewish, but converted into it. I have no doubt that she would celebrate Christmas. But her celebrating Christmas has nothing to do with being Greek. It has everything to do with her husband being Catholic and her mother being born Catholic. Vulturell 04:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Next - The "Greek" thing - which is all over the net - is annoying because 'only' her paternal grandmother was from Greece - she was a Greek Sephardic Jew (Greek Jews are not ethnically Greek but ethnically Jewish, obviously). Her grandpa was a Romanian Jew - and indeed "Sigler" is obviously an Eastern European Jewish name - not even a Sephardic Greek name.

Greek Jews are very often ethnically Greek. to say different is an insult to huge nubmers of people who would say otherwise. Includin Jamie-Lynn herselfDaveHM 04:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
No, Greek Sephardic Jews are not ethnically Greek. That's a fact well clarified on the Wiki Sephardic page. Give me a link to where Jamie says "I'm ethnically Greek" and I will be glad to have your version up. One link she says "Romanian-Greek" father - doesn't specify "Jewish"- but she specifies it enough in other interviews and specifically mentions "Sephardic".Vulturell 04:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The idea that Greek Jews can't be Greek was advanced by the Nazis and is racist.DaveHM 05:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
It is common knowledge, well according to Wikipedia's Sephardic page, that Sephardic Jews are their own ethnic group and are non-Greek ethnically. Certainly, though, Sephardic Jews are Greek by nationality. And the article mentions this Greek nationality of her grandma. Vulturell 05:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


""I was raised by my grandmother, and she only speaks Spanish," said Sigler, the daughter of a Cuban mother and Greek-Romanian father." www.vh1.com/artists/news/1450132/10182001/sigler_jamie_lynn.jhtml

Yet she leaned her fluent Greek from where?DaveHM 04:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I was wondering that too. Most Sephardic Jews speak Ladino, not Greek. I have no idea where she would have learned fluent Greek and the only source I saw for that was the IMDB. And you can not use that crap trivia website as a source. Vulturell 04:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Most Sephardic Greeks speak Greek and Ladino. I know it personally.DaveHM 05:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a link that mentions her calling herself a "“nice Jewish girl,” here - http://www.mytelevision.com/tv_stars/jamie_lynn_discala.html

and this site, not in her own words but obviously well researched, explains her full heritage - http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/1104/edition_id/10/format/html/displaystory.html

the site indicates no reearch. her officila bio contradicts it.DaveHM 04:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
That site and that columnist is never wrong. Her official bio is crap,as I've told you, because it mentions nothing about being Romanian. Her DIARY, written in her own words, does not contradict that in the least. Vulturell 04:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

All these sites corraborate the exact same story - Romanian Jewish grandpa/Sephardic Jewish grandma from Greece - Cuban mother. Obviously all Americans who are ethnically Jewish trace their ancestry somewhere - in Sigler's case, it is Romania and Greece. 130.113.111.203 17:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Her own site corraborates her self identification as Greek and Cuban. This is the bio on the site she owns.

DiScala's biography on her own website says nothing about a Jewish background; it merely says she is half Cuban, half Greek. Is there a reputable, first hand source for her Jewish heritage? If not, I'm removing it. --TheNationalist 19:04, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, her Greek heritage IS her Jewish heritage. Her father, Steve Sigler, is Sephardic Jewish and her mother is Cuban.

If you search for ' "Jamie-lynn discala" Greek jewish ' you will find plenty of reference, but here is a good one:

"In the words of the show’s executive producer... that [Jamie’s] a Jewish girl from a nice family in New York, and Heidi was a Jewish girl from a nice family in California isn’t a bad thing, either.”

Discala does come from a “nice Jewish family.” Her father, Steve Sigler, is the founder/head of the Mens’ Senior Baseball League, a national success. Her mother, Constance, is from Cuba and is a convert to Judaism. " http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/1104/format/print/edition_id/10/displaystory.print

I've never seen a first hand source from either the parents or her that states this Jewish ancestory. All I'm seeing is relatively unreputable sources. However, it's not a big deal and I'll leave it there. Also, I cleaned up the first line to remove unneeded hyphens in order to make it more readable. It looked too cluttered before. --TheNationalist 14:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Here's a good one. She wrote a book about herself - you can search through it at Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743453247/qid=1127371418/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1474594-6266247?v=glance&s=books. She mentions "So we were sitting shiva at our house (it's the Jewish mourning-friends and family visit, pay their respects, and bring you lots of cookies and coffee cake". She also mentions her mother being Cuban, doesn't mention anything about being Greek. Basically what the story is, is that her father is Jewish and her mother is Cuban. Her father's ancestors (some of them, at least) are probably from Greece, but are not actually of ethnic Greek descent.

And of course, Sigler is not exactly a Greek surname.

this has become absurd and bordering on racists. Most European Jewish americans also self identify with the nation in which thier family's may have spent up to 2,000 years.
In the case of Ms. Sigler she clearly self identifies as being "half Greek." She also speaks Greek fluently.
The idea that being Jewish and being Greek are exclusive is a strange race-based POV that does not belong here -- especially when the woman herself has repeatedly noted she is "half Greek" including on her official biography.
people have a right to self nominate, for some here to imposed their own views in oppositoon to the woman's declared background is simply wrong.DaveHM 17:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Her background

Is confusing - but - her father is Jewish and her mother is Cuban (Catholic), who converted to Judaism when she married her father. The reason so many sites say "Greek" is because Sigler's father is a Sephardic Jew - i.e. his ancestors come from Greece/Italy/Spain, etc. as opposed to Eastern Europe. Like Hank Azaria, for example.


Also check out the autiobiography she wrote (the link is up in the paragraph before this one) where she mentions being Jewish as well as her Cuban heritage, but not Greek.

There is also more info on her family here - http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/1104/edition_id/10/format/html/displaystory.html Vulturell 22:56, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or pretentious, but all of these ethnic labels are highly distracting to the actual article. It would be more constructive to leave them out completely. Furthermore, her father's ethnicity is irrelevant to this article and was removed. Keep this article on topic. --TheNationalist 23:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Also check out the autiobiography she wrote... I have a copy of her book, she talks about growing up and speaking Greek!
Moreover her biography on her own official site she writes that she is "half Greek" in the second paragraph. It is obviously something important for her.DaveHM 17:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

While I hesitate to wade in, I would only note that:

(1) being Greek in civic and in ethnic senses are certainly not the same thing, because it is factually incorrect to state that Greece is an ethnically homogeneous country. Many Greeks with long histories in Greece are fully Greek but not ethnically Greek.

(2) while what Jamie-Lynn's Web site is nice and is official and may or may not be written by her, the issue is not one to be decided by her. Here there are two distinguishable items -- her family background, and the application of more universal categories to that background. Jamie-Lynn may be considered authoritative as to her family background. She is not authoritative on how to classify that background according to more universal categories. To argue otherwise is to argue that, if today I say that I am African-American, then that is so; that tomorrow morning if I change that to Asian-American, then that is henceforth so; and so on.

(3) the "Nazi" comments are irrelevant and uncalled for. The fact is that the world -- and, within it, each country -- is ethnically diverse, and that the communities built around these ethnicities have meaning for a lot of people. Trying to stifle debate by throwing down these epithets, especially in the service of arguing that all Greek citizens are of identical ethnic background (they are not), is probably not called for. 70.80.27.104 05:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree on all of that. Vulturell 05:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vulturell

Stop abusing this entry, as well as others, with excessive use of ethnic labels. They do not inform anybody. Nobody cares about the ethnicity of DiScala's father in an entry about Jamie. And no, she is not cuban-american. That label is specifically applied to people who directly immigrated here from Cuba or someone who has two cuban parents. She's about as cuban-american as I am.

Quite frankly, nobody cares if she's cuban or not. This is not an entry about her ethnic lineage. This is brief entry about her accomplishments. Nobody searches for her name on wikipedia to find out of her father is half cuban, greek, jewish, or whatever. *Stop with the unnecessary information* --TheNationalist 13:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Background is relevant

of course people want to know, look up ANY actor from Angelina Jolie to Uma Thurman to Nicholas Cage to Al Pacino and just about everyone else and their ethnicity is included. It doesn't make the entry about her parents, it simply says what she is. Wiki is an encyclopedia so it's not just about her accomplishments, it's a mini biography about who the people are. Every actor has their background included (even those that are third or fourth generation ameicans) so I don't see why she should be any different. Also all the actors are included under the categories of where theyr backgrounds are from. See any of the above and you will see that too. If most and especially all major american actors have this I don't see what makes Jamie any different that we should exclude this info. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_by_national_origin


just aout every american actor is included into one or more of those categories :) Mailyn 18:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

edit: sorry I forgot to sign my name lol



I didn't write the above paragraph but I certainly agree with it. The only actual reason you would have to object my including a brief bit about her background was if the info was inaccurate - and that's not the case. Look up the link to the (searchable, at Amazon) book bio she wrote, which mentions her Cuban and Jewish background, if you still have any doubts.

Furthermore, in an entry for a person like DiScala, about whom there are so many conflicting reports (the IMDB says her mother is Greek... yeah, right) it is a good thing that Wikipedia is there to provide the correct information.

Oh, and of course she's Cuban-American. If we follow your logic then she would only be "Jewish American" if both of her parents were from Israel or something akin to that. Having a Cuban or Cuban-American parent makes you a Cuban-American, if only partially. Vulturell 18:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743453247/qid=1127371418/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1474594-6266247?v=glance&s=books

I hve read the book, she mentions her Greek background. her offcial biography on web she says she is half Greek, and tis is in the second paragraph.
the only correct way to note here backgound is her own choice, which is Cuban Greek and Jewish. Wha tis with the claim no one can be Greek and Jewish? She doesn't think so. There have been Greeks of the Jewish faith for two millenia.DaveHM 18:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Leave out her family tree

It is not relevant to this article. It will be reverted *on sight* next time it's placed in this entry, and every subsequent time it is placed in here.

Create a family tree article for her if that is your intent. --TheNationalist 18:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

What are the grounds for this? Go and revert every single other "family tree", so to speak, from Wikipedia. Start with all former presidents of the U.S., move on to all actors, etc. etc. if you want this one to be taken out. There's no special "no mention of background" rule for DiScala. Vulturell 18:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

First, learn the proper syntax of how to respond to a comment. The syntax is easy to see from looking at this page. Second, the grounds are, this is NOT an article about her family. It is *extremely easy* to create another entry for her family history. She is not a U.S. president. She is an actor. This entry is about her and her accomplishments, not a lecture on her ethnic and religious composition. If you continue to add this completely irrelevant information, I will continue to revert it back to the last relevant page. Just because this information is important to you personally doesn't mean it belongs here. --TheNationalist 23:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, to see what a tastefully done ethnic reference looks like, look at Bill_Maher. There's a good way and bad way to do what you want to do. You are choosing a distasteful way. --TheNationalist 23:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Much better, thank you (I mean your second comment, not first). Now you've at least presented a way in which this information CAN be put on the page, without taking it out altogether for no reason. Why not just tell me that my way is "distasteful" to you in the first place and leave it up to me to find a solution?
In any case, tell me how you like my new version - I changed most of the entry, surely for the better. Among other things, I took out "Italian-American" about Meadow Soprano, since this is not an article about Meadow Soprano and her family history, after all.
Vulturell 00:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Looks fine. Actually, that's the way it was in the very beginning. Somehow, it grew to a paragraph by itself which was distracting to the content in the article. --TheNationalist 01:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Excellent. Vulturell 01:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Just because this information is important to you personally doesn't mean it belongs here Again, the information is relevent to ms. Sigler by her own official biography. Just call here agent from her web site and have it faxed. yo can get it free. it is the exact same text as one finds here:
http://www.jamielynndiscala.com/ it is flash so I can't direct link, you have to click "biography."

It says: The half Cuban and Greek starlet

I would agree with moving the details lower, but the redaction of her self nominated partial Greek background is insulting to the woman.DaveHM 18:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't know exactly about "self nominated". These "Official bios" are rarely written by the person themselves. Usually it's some sort of agent or marketing person. Obviously, you can discard that bio as trash since (even forgetting for a minute that being a Greek-Romanian Jew is not the same, ethnically and culturally, as being a Greek-Romanian) it doesn't mention her Romanian heritage! Her paternal grandfather was Romanian, something that she mentions herself in one of the (many many) links above. Why doesn't her official site call her a "half Cuban and half Romanian starlet"? No doubt she gets her last name, "Sigler", from her paternal Romanian Jewish grandfather, since Sigler is not and has never been a Greek name, or even a Greek Jewish name.
Anyway, these bios are written to present the performer with the most appealing details, and maybe "half Cuban and Greek" sounds more exotic than "Romanian" or "Greek Jewish". Check out her diary on her official website, around the holidays, she always talks about being Jewish. Talks about being Jewish and Cuban in her book bio (speaking of which, I searched for both "Greek" and "Greece" in her book on Amazon - and nothing came up. Do you have a page number or some quote that I can try and find on Amazon?), which I linked to somewhere above. My original draft mentioned that her grandfather was a Romanian Jew and her grandmother a Greek Sephardic Jew, but Nationalist thought it was too long and irrelevant, so I'm fine with what we have now. But obviously calling her "half Greek and Cuban" is misleading, and it's the way I've noticed a lot of websites sensationalize certain performers and highlight a part of their heritage that they themselves rarely talk about. Another good example is Jennifer Aniston, always touted as being "Greek" or "Half Greek", and no sites online, except ours, even mention her mother's non-Greek Italian-Scottish heritage (which her mother writes about in her autobio). It's a form of marketing, I think. Vulturell 20:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
what a strange assertion. Her own claim, not in just in the bios on her own official web page, and quotes whe she is specifically asked about her ancestry, are in your opinion, "trash." fascinating.DaveHM
The woman is fluent in Greek. You are creating a very nasty vandalism by removing here own self nominationed ethnic backgournd. it borders on racism. As far as talking about being Jewish, she does, she also talks about celebrating Christmas.
There are many people who conisider themselves Jewish and Greek. since she does, please stop denying it. What kind of agenda do you have changing what she says her ethnicity is?
her ethnicity is not postualted it is stated BY HER.DaveHM 02:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Again, you are pointing me to the same old bio on her website. That bio is immediately disqualified as trash because it doesn't mention her Romanian ancestry, thus obviously being inaccurate. Why not mention her Romanian background? The best way I have of mentioning is saying something like: "DiScala was born to a Jewish father (whose parents were from Romania and Greece, respectively) and a Cuban mother". Oh, and you used the word "ethnicity", well look up Sephardic Jews on Wikipedia - they are not of the same ethnicity as non-Jewish Greeks, although they are of the same nationality. Vulturell 02:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Once again you insist her own statments in quotes from known publicaons that specifically asked her backgorund are "trash." It is getting to the point wher it obvious that you think the Greek part of her identiy is the "trash."
No, wrong again. I said her on-site bio - NOT WRITTEN BY HER - was trash because it didn't mention her Romanian ancestry, thus being inaccurate.Vulturell 05:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and here is my agenda. To take out the old trash that the IMDB postulates around the web, which gets copied and pasted time and time again until people believe it to be true. Wikipedia will not become another IMDB. By the way, is there something like an interview where she says she speaks Greek? I've seen notations about her speaking Spanish because her grandma only spoke Spanish (her maternal grandma), but I've never seen a reliable source - and I mean an interview with her, not one of those junky tid-bit trivia websites that copy the IMDB's crap. Her book on Amazon doesn't mention anything about speaking Greek either. Vulturell 02:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
you are modigfying this Jamie Lynn's own stated bio from her own official webite and a dozen interviews in which she says her background includes being Greek. to deny a persons own own stated prominatly ethnictiy is profoudnly wrong. It is not going to work.
Your contention that the woman is wrong in stating herself that she is "Greek" is seriously improper.DaveHM 03:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are you leaving out Romanian? OK for get it. I am changing to that version I suggested. It is the only correct version. Vulturell 03:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and before you revert the current version, you may wanna give me a (good source, an interview, not IMDB or anything identical to it) about her speaking fluent Greek. You may also want to answer my question about why her "official bio" (which I'm sure you know she did not write) does not mention her Romanian ancestry. And you may want to learn the difference between a piece of information that a person says about themselves and a piece of information that is said about them by others, in this case the IMDB (which claims, gosh allmighty, that her mother is Greek!!) and her "official bio". Vulturell 03:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
OK your contention is the woman is lying or ignorant when she states on her official site, in her offical bio that she is "half Greek half Cuban? What moxie my friend. There is something seriously wrong with you stepping in to tell this woman she can't identify her own backround!!
NO I AM SAYING, AGAIN, THAT SHE DIDN'T WRITE THAT BIO ON HER WEBSITE. I have said that she is well capable of telling her own background, and I have given links to prove it. Her official bio was NOT WRITTEN BY HER. Vulturell 04:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyway. The version up right now is correct. You can not dispute it. It says plain and simple that her father is ethnically Jewish and her mother ethnically Cuban (well, I guess that would mean Native American-Spanish, etc., but never mind). It also says her grandpa was from Romania and her grandma from Greece. It says she speaks fluent Spanish. All of this information can be proven in the links above. Even her crap web bio correlates this, besides leaving out "Romanian", oddly enough. It does not say she speaks fluent Greek because there are no good sources that I could find stating this. Obviously, all ethnic Jews come from somewhere. In DiScala's case, it is Romania and Greece. She's Romanian-Greek-Cuban in a sense and in the same sense Jewish-Cuban. The line as it is now tells the full story in a tasteful manner. Saying "Jewish, Greek, Cuban" is again confusing people as to who was who among her ancestors and is misleading. It is also leaving out her Romanian heritage. If you have a source (good source, like an interview) for the Greek-speaking thing, please put it in if you add that bit in. Otherwise, I don't see how this version is either incorrect or misleading. Vulturell 04:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


I am not denying her Jewish backgournd, her Jewish religion, or its relevence. I am adding her own repeated self nomination.
you have two problems. a) the idea that Greeks can't be Jews, when there are many in Greece that are exactly that, and more persons of Greek Jewish decent in the US, and b) the idea that her own self description doesn't count because you have a different opinion!
please understand I am not denegrating or reducing her Jewish identity. I am pointing to her own self nominations. She is proud of her Greek ancestry. she keeps mentioning it. why are you removing it?
a person's self nomination TRUMPS any interpretation by a third party who doesn't know her!
If this goes to wikipedia mediation with her own quote, the Greek is going to stay and you know it!DaveHM 05:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What are you talking about? It is mentioned in her entry that her grandma was from Greece. This is correct unless you have some earth-shattering info that her grandpa wasn't from Romania. What exactly are you arguing about here? What else do you want? I don't know what she "self-identifies" as, aside from perhaps "nice Jewish girl" which is a clear label, but I know - and YOU know - that her grandmother was a Sephard from Greece. This is what you added on her entry in the list of Greeks. So why are you arguing with me and changing this? This is exactly what my version of the entry says. Obviously she is not ethnically Greek, because Sephardic Jews are their own ethnicity. But obviously her grandmother was Greek by nationality, I'm not denying that and it is now in the article, as it was for the past two hours despite your need to take it out. Vulturell 05:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Again you are defining backggroound for the person inopposition t heir own statments when asked.. what is this Nazi germany? the woman states her background. Being Sephardic and being Greek are NOT exclusive. Have you met any Sephardim from Greece? They proudly call themselves Greeks.DaveHM 05:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not defining anything. I'm saying she's half Jewish and half Cuban - which is correct. I'm saying her grandma was from Greece, also correct. I would talk about her Romanian grandpa some more but I doubt you give a crap about that part of her ancestry, so I won't. Vulturell 05:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
You are denying her own statements, with your wierd sense that bause she is Jewish she is wronge when calls herself Greek as well, as she does in quotes, published an accessable with link you keep removing.
You are injecting a racial interpretation that is 19th century.DaveHM 06:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Jezz. Anyway, I'm not repeating myself again. What am I denying? I'm saying she's half Jewish and half Cuban ethnically, and her grandparents are Romanian and Greek by nationality. Correct me if I'm wrong. Vulturell 06:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Her self nomination is what counts. If a person has 16 ethnicities, nationalities, religions in their background and they empahsise one, two, three or four, those are the relevent ones.
Your wish to usurp this basic right to self nomination so you can apply your own view. that is just wierd. DaveHM 09:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] her own quote

the neutral style is to use her own quote which is sourced and her own words
I’m Cuban, Greek, Romanian, and Sephardic Jew, so I couldn’t get further from Italian.
We can't use quotes instead of actual information. We can put in a link or something as a source. Anyway, right now the article mentions her Cuban mother and her Jewish father whose parents were Greek and Romanian. That fits in with this quote. I need a source for her speeking Greek, though. The FilmBug thing is useless. It's not an interview. It's another IMDB wannabe. And the info as it is now IS neutral because it is accurate. It doesn't say anything about identification, it simply states who was who in her family and from where, etc. etc. Vulturell 05:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of quotes, we can easily use the quote "nice Jewish girl" (http://www.mytelevision.com/tv_stars/jamie_lynn_discala.html) and blank out the whole background info altogether. Like I said, the neutral thing is to explain her background as I did, not use quotes. They are misleading. Vulturell 05:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
a persons quotes about their own backgroud when specifically asked are miselading? you are verging on liabeling this woman.DaveHM 05:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
No I said they CAN be misleading. Like the "nice Jewish girl" quote. It's misleading because she's also Cuban. If we were to just use one quote it wouldn't necessarily tell the whole story or tell it in an easily understood manner. And if you love quotes so much, then you should be perfectly happy with the "nice Jewish girl" quote and leave this be already. Vulturell 05:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
now I realize what is going on. you actually went to the Greek Americans page in October and removed her! what is that about? From her own mouth she says she is Greek yet you are going around wikipedi with some obsession that her own statements don't count and you are the one who will tell her what she is? this shows a serious problem. her quote:
I have no Italian in me. I’m Cuban, Greek, Romanian, and Sephardic Jew, so I couldn’t get further from Italian. But I guess I’ve been adopted into that family, too.[1]DaveHM 05:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I work on the Greek Americans page. If you've noticed, I added a few notations to it through the past several months. You can show me your quote (well, it was originally my quote too) and I can show you my "Nice Jewish girl" quote all night and the point is still going to be that it's useless using quotes. Are you saying that the version we have on right now is incorrect or what? Tell me exactly what you're trying to say, because you're not making sense. The article, right now, says her father is Jewish and her mother Cuban. It says her grandpa was Romanian and her grandma Greek. Are you saying this is incorrect? If you're not, then why are you removing it and adding unsourced stuff like the Greek language thing? Vulturell 05:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
source for Greek language has been there all the time.DaveHM 05:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What is the source? Vulturell 05:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
see the links on versions you keep erasing!
What do you mean? Maxim doesn't have anything about her speaking Greek. I would never trust FilmBug but it doesn't have it either. The eating disorder ("Half Cuban - half Greek" there again, gee guys I guess the Romanians get left out there) doesn't mention it. The IMDB certainly mentions it and it also mentions her mother is Greek. Heck, they should just go the extra mile and say she was born in Athens. Anyway, none of the reliable sources say that she speaks Greek. Is it on her website somehwere? Vulturell 06:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Her self nomination is what counts. If a person has 16 ethnicities, nationalities, religions in their background and they empahsise one, two, three or four, those are the relevent ones.
Your wish to usurp this basic right to self nomination so you can apply your own view. that is just wierd. DaveHM 10:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The current version is correct - as no doubt you agree. I don't know about her self-nomination but what - and surely you - agree to as well is that the version we have right now is factually correct. Your version is A. confusing and B. tries to, obviously purposely, make her seem "more Greek" and promote a POV. You are going to have to explain what is wrong with the current version before reverting again. Vulturell 17:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sigler vs. DiScala

Hey, shouldn't this be put back to Jamie-Lynn Sigler?

Apparently she's changing her name back to Sigler. Do we know if this has been noted in professional sources? (i.e. do articles or the IMDB refer to her as "Sigler" now?)Vulturell 19:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like the media is calling her Sigler as does HBO's web site - Tim - 18:01 , Jan 14, 2006.

[edit] Side Bar spokesperson

Simple internet search reveals that the club spokesman is a different Jamie-Lynn Sigler. Sentence removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.175.67 (talk) 01:18, August 30, 2007 (UTC)