Talk:Jamestown Settlement

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im a stupid man, perhaps a merger is needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown%2C_Virginia 68.219.60.199 17:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Capatain Smith not even mentioned
Thomas West, Lord de la Warr not even mentioned
Pocahontas, John Rolfe and the Algonquians not even mentioned
No mention of "the starving time", or different hypotheses about it
No mention of the second convoy and rescue/supply missions
No mention of the adventures of the Seaventure
Probably should have a reference to the Colony of Roanoke
And to Bacon's Rebellion
Needs to be merged with Jamestown, Virginia
The arsenic theory could be at least alluded too, because that's what a lot of people will be Googling for
How can the first women have arrived in 1619 when in 1609 a man was executed for murdering his wife?

I'll have a go if no-one else is interested, but I'd prefer someone else to try since almost everything I know about the history of Jamestown was learned on the History Channel in the last half hour. -- Roger

Should this be merged with the Jamestown, Virginia article? Akubra 14:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the point is that this is a small article about the title "Jamestown Settlement" which provides the reference to the Jamestown, Virginia article and clarifies that the name has been reused by a modern attraction operated by the Commonwealth of Virginia adjacent to the site of the original settlement which was on Jamestown Island. It is sort of a large disambig article. IMHO, we should keep this perspective in mind if we need to make changes. Vaoverland 22:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I have spent some time working on this article. Ideally, it provides enough to lead readers to the various other articles, most notably, the big one on Jamestown, Virginia which has gotten a lot of attention and enhancements recently by many WP editors. I think the "needs improvement" flag can now be removed, but will wait a day or two for comments before doing so.

Mark in Historic Triangle, aka Vaoverland 23:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a possible conflict here with Jamestown being the oldest permanent settlement in North America. According to records here, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada had it's first permanent residents in 1605. I have no defined date for the arrival but it's something worth checking into . VCDH 17:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Settlement or invasion?

Should the arriving English be called settlers or invaders, since the area was already occupied by First Nations. ClaudioMB 08:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jamestown's claim as first

Without dispute, Jamestown can claim to be the first permanent English settlement in what is now the United States.

Whether Jamestown was the first permanent settlement in North America (thereby including present-day Canada) may be subject to some question. Sources seem to indicate that Newfoundland and Labrador were not places to spend the winter for the English for a long time after the area was claimed by John Cabot, despite seasonal occupation by fishing fleets from England. I do read where St. John's was permanently occupied by 1605, but failed when seeking to source that as a fact. Maybe we are playing with the difference between recurring seasonal and permanent?

We do know that, after the members of the Plymouth Company's Popham Colony spent a really tough winter a bit south in what is now Maine in 1607-08, those who survived all left the following August. We also know that winter at Jamestown in 1607-08, and the next few years at least was very harsh, even in a much more southern climate.

The word "English" is also important in stating the Jamestown claim, since the Spanish clearly established St. Augustine in what is now Florida in 1565, and sold it to the U.S. in 1819 (changed hands in 1821). (see Adams-Onís Treaty).

Finally, I thought First Nations was a Canadian term for the native people there? Regarding the Native Americans in Virginia in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, I don't think that "settlers" is wrong terminology. They certainly soon, if not immediately, saw the "settlers" as invaders. The fact they were settlers, and not just visitors, made it all that much worse to those already living there, especially after land-hungry tobacco became the English cash crop to export after 1612.

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