Talk:James Springer White
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The title of this article, James White (husband of Prophetess Ellen G. White), does not seem optimum, because it is long and indirect. There are several articles on people named "James White", so some disambiguation is needed. I propose that James White (Adventist) would be a better title. Willmcw 00:12, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- If his middle name was "Springer," let's rename the article to reflect that. That would be better in so many ways. --Cromwellt|Talk 17:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Would you propose we leave the current title as a redirect to the full name article? Ansell 00:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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- His name appears to be "Springer", see here About James White Library. Shall we make the move? MyNameIsNotBob 08:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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- When you move a page, a redirect is automatically created to the new page. I'll do that now. MyNameIsNotBob 08:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Anti-trinitarianism or arianism
I have removed the section on his "antitrinitarianism". This is simply a collection of quotes and as such strikes me as original research. All that is needed a simple statement saying that his beliefs followed antitrinitarianism traditions that is referenced from a historian or someone of that nature. MyNameIsNotBob 13:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- They are original quotes, however they are sourced so you can't call it original research. They are just from primary sources, which is a good thing. I think that a consise description of it would be better, copying what you deleted last here so that something can be worked on. Ansell 01:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
This article requires more explanation of White's views on the Trinity. While the Adventist Church acknowledges the three Persons, perhaps they don't see them the same way as other churches. How about something along the lines of:
- In 1846, White wrote in [[The Day Star]]<ref>{{cite journal | author = James White | date = 1846-01-24 | journal = The Day Star |}}</ref>, and on a number of occasions in the [[Review & Herald]] (1852<ref>R&H...</ref>, 18...<ref>R&H </ref> that the trinity was 'unscriptural'<ref>Day Star</ref>. This teaching was common among the early Adventists.
(I have not gone to the effort of completely referencing all of the statements. Using nowiki tags to demonstrate.) MyNameIsNotBob 10:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- That works for me, it puts the statements in context. Should reference the statement that it was a common position somehow, maybe via a Uriah Smith statement. Ansell 00:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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Anti-Trinitarianism
Here are some quots that demonstrate the Anti-Trinitarian position of James White.
"Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb." (James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343)
"The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God." (James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star)
"To assert that the sayings of the Son and his apostles are the commandments of the Father, is as wide from the truth as the old trinitarian absurdity that Jesus Christ is the very and Eternal God."(James White, August 5, 1852, Review & Herald, vol. 3, no. 7, page 52, par. 42)
"As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the world? We think not."(James White, September 12, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 5, page 36, par. 8)
"Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ" (James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16)
"The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday-keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors." (James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26)
"The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough" (James White, November 29, 1877, Review & Herald)
"The Father is the greatest in that he is first. The Son is next in authority because He has been given all things." (James White, January 4, 1881, Review & Herald)
