Talk:James Bond gun barrel sequence
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[edit] Actual CG?
Just a though, but should the word "actual" in, "...introduced an actual CG bullet being shot..." be taken out? That's sort of like saying, "A real faux diamond".--Lewk_of_Serthic 21:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- I see that it has been taken care of already.--Lewk_of_Serthic 19:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Change in Casino Royale?
Quote the article: It will differ from every previous film by not opening the film with the sequence, but instead ending the pre-title sequence with it where the viewer actually sees the assassin about to shoot Bond before he turns to fire on the assassin.
Just because the trailer shows that does not mean the film will start in that way. I mean, why would they change it? --TonicBH 17:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- They changed it. I can personally confirm this first hand. The gun barrel in CR is meant, to a certain extent, to be a sort of acknowledgement that Bond is now "007". Bond 22 will see it go back to the way it's been for years. Some may see the scene as a sort of origin to the gun barrel, but that's not the point. K1Bond007 20:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Check this videos:
These videos were supposed to be early versions of the CR gun barrel? David Pro 18:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] More pics....
How about getting some images of the Connery & Moore shot in there? I'd do it but I dunno how. Tommyt 02:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- My suggestion is to have one image of each gun barrel sequence in the end (or any part) of the article, in order of appearance.
[edit] Pinhole camera?
Was the sequence really done with a pinhole camera in an actual gun barrel until the mid-'90s? Because, for one thing, the Dalton image in this article very clearly looks like a gun barrel element was "matted" to the film, and, for another, I don't think a pinhole camera would pick up the interior contours of an actual gun barrel. Max22 07:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "The gun barrel dissolves to a white dot, often roving randomly"
I kinda doubt that it's random. I think it's just moving side to side... But I only saw the Tomorrow Never Dies movie and played the GoldenEye 007 game. --Addict 2006 22:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Also, I don't know if the whole gun barrel fades off to a white dot. My next guess is that the blood spills in and the background around the center dot thing fades once it starts moving side to side. --Addict 2006 22:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, after peeking at the gunbarrel sequences in a few other movies through the Ultimate Edition DVDs, I'd say they're not just going side to side but they were random at first, and that was changed. Nothing about Casino Royale though. --Addict 2006 15:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- The interesting question, then, is with which movie did they switch to moving the white dot directly to the lower right corner? Wahkeenah 17:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- Another question is, if this is a gun barrel, why are we seeing blood running down the screen like raspberry syrup, which really doesn't make logical sense? The answer, I would say, is "artistic license". Wahkeenah 17:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- First, in the Simmons, Connery and Lazenby barrels, the barrel started swaying after the blood had reached the bottom of the screen; in the others, it sways mid-way through the blood trickle. The blood and the barrel riflings disappear as the hole fades into a white dot and moves into the lower right corner (in some movies, it goes into a different corner). In Dr. No, this transitions into the credits sequence of animated dots, and the same is the case for From Russia With Love and Goldfinger except that the movie simply goes into the pre-credits sequence. In Thunderball and all Bond films after that (except for Casino Royale, natch), the white dot irises into the first scene of the movie, though this transition is instant in For Your Eyes Only. (To answer your question, Wahkeenah, I think the blood itself is just supposed to emphasize 007's "licence to kill".) Tony Myers 07:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the good and detailed info... and it occurs to me that the article is "almost there", in terms of what it maybe could do: List all the films in order, and describe what happens with the dots in each one, just as you have started to do here. The "trivia" could be merged into the main writeup. I think that would make the evolution of this iconic sequence a bit clearer than it is now. One factor is the underscore of the scene, which is discussed in some of the trivia points. It's kind of hard to describe in words what's going on in the music... but for many of them, it would start out with the DA-DA-da, DA-DA-da, DA-DA-DA-DA-DA ..., if you get my meaning. In Dr. No, there was a bit of electronic music, like chimes or beeps or something (kind of late 50s-early 60s "outer space" music), then the gunshot, and then the theme, kind of jumping into the loud part of it, skipping over the intro that's in the "full" recording carried on the soundtrack album. I don't think any of the films actually played the "full" recorded version of the theme from beginning to end in the intro... they used segments of it. Wahkeenah 07:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- First, in the Simmons, Connery and Lazenby barrels, the barrel started swaying after the blood had reached the bottom of the screen; in the others, it sways mid-way through the blood trickle. The blood and the barrel riflings disappear as the hole fades into a white dot and moves into the lower right corner (in some movies, it goes into a different corner). In Dr. No, this transitions into the credits sequence of animated dots, and the same is the case for From Russia With Love and Goldfinger except that the movie simply goes into the pre-credits sequence. In Thunderball and all Bond films after that (except for Casino Royale, natch), the white dot irises into the first scene of the movie, though this transition is instant in For Your Eyes Only. (To answer your question, Wahkeenah, I think the blood itself is just supposed to emphasize 007's "licence to kill".) Tony Myers 07:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure if this is possible, both technically and copyright-wise, but perhaps the best way to illustrate the gun barrel sequence would be to put a video the sequence into the article, and set it playing on a loop? Editus 16:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sure it would be a copyright violation, and besides it's still subject to interpretation. Someone with lots of time on their hands and with access to all 20-plus films could watch the intro for each and note precisely what transpires. That would be verifiable and would save everyone else the work. :) Wahkeenah 16:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Grammar Grammar GRAMMAR
UGH!! How did this article get soooooooo bloated & incoherent? I could hardly understand anything in it. Made some corrections but let's all keep a sharp eye on this one, we have too many attempts to add semicolons, colons, commas, etc along with unnecessary details & observations. Let's keep this one simple, folks. Tommyt 15:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Casino Royale's teaser trailer
Can someone give me the link for the teaser trailer of Casino Royale in which Craig appears peforming the sequence in the same grooves of the gun as did appear in the Brosnan films? --David Pro 01:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLxC0Qizd8U --David Pro 19:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Dude, thats not even the real trailer. This is it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozaiZBdji0 Flamingtorch372 20:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spongebob
Who saw the Spongebob Squarepants episode Spy Buddies? Superjustinbros. 21:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Radical Redesign
I propose this as a radical redesign. There it can remain until it is good enough shape to move over. Most of the fragmented comments about the particular films will become bullet points in the production notes column. I would appreciate any contributions anyone wanted to make, in keeping with the tabular nature of the concept. --Tbmorgan74 21:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Roger Moore's pic
What pic of Roger Moore's gun barrel we need to use in the article, the one from Live and Let Die/The Man With the Golden Gun era, or the The Spy Who Loved Me/A View to a Kill era? David Pro 14:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I think that the most appropiate image must be something as this. David Pro 20:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Major copy edit
I've done what I can, but I still feel that an image for each actor's sequence is over the top, and leaves some awkward gaps. Chris 42 (talk) 22:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
With regard to a recent reversion, the previous edit contained way too much POV, repetition and statements of the obvious. If you read my edit, you will see that nothing has been lost and I also added the Costume section and the info on Daniel Kleinman. Chris 42 (talk) 13:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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