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[edit] Strengths of Connery, Moore, etc
I think this could add a lot to the article, and we can just have an easy-going, well-referenced discussion. Connery had more of a sparse manner, Roger Moore, acted with more of a sense of style, and both are good and valid acting methods. And to name two movies, I thoroughly enjoyed both THUNDERBALL and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. FriendlyRiverOtter 21:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think that would be more suited for a bond forum. The article should really contain fact-based information rather than a discussion. Theblinddevil 01:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I am a polite rebel, and I ask to be accepted as a polite rebel. I want real discussions, and it seems to me that most other people want tame, timid discussions (but perhaps not you! please understand that I am using the generic ‘you’). Connery vs. Moore, that is a fun discussion and I don’t see anything wrong with it. But if you want a meaty, intellectual discussion, how about: ‘To what extent did James Bond movies reflect the assumptions of the Cold War, and to what extent, as widely-watched movies, did they feed into the assumptions of the Cold War?’ Or, ‘As one of the longest-running series, what has made them work artistically?’
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- Those would indeed be full-bodied discussions. If someone says that would not be “neutral,” I will say that you are letting some cardboard notion of “neutrality” truncate a meaningful project. What is the rule that an encyclopedia must only be dull, dry facts that lie flat on the surface?
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- If our topic were the Great Depression, the prime questions would be, What were the causes, What were the cures? Right? And by their very nature, these questions cannot be answered completely, but they are still highly meaningful. Good history pursues such difficult, ambiguous subjects.
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- So, instead of “neutrality,” I suggest a standard of intellectual honesty. For example, I think the biggest, best Bond films were the 1970s ones with Roger Moore, but if I run across a really good website arguing that the mid-Connery films were the best, I ought to at least include a link here on the discussion page. Kind of fair play, telling someone what you know, even when it works against your current cause, a feeling of respect, that you have the right to know the full spectrum of the facts.
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- Let’s suppose that I wrote a piece arguing that for splashiness, theme, locales, sexiness, strategic action at the end, etc, etc, that THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN was the best Bond film of all. Now can I include a link on our main article page to my own writing elsewhere on the web? I tend to think not, because it would be self-referential in a not very good way. The better alternative would be for me to talk it up here on the discussion page, fully acknowledging that I wrote it. Then if I can get someone to include it on the article page, it’s more of a peer-reviewed type of thing. (By the way, I freely acknowledge that one reason I like this movie so much is because I was twelve years old when I saw it! I mean, it just at the beginning stirrings of my adolescence.)
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- I am well aware that wikipedia has certain rules (believe me I am aware!). However, we can look at them as either static or as part of an evolving process. I ask you to consider the latter. And I ask all of you, please, by all means, do your best work, pursue your most promising intellectual projects, without letting artificial constraints hold you back. FriendlyRiverOtter 01:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Characters By Film
As there are already Bond allies and Bond henchmen by film, I was thinking that the Bond girls should go by film and the villains go into the henchmen ny film page. I know that Bond girls and villains are importanter than allies or henchmen but most of the pages are short, such as Pussy Galore, Jinx, Molly Warmflash, General Koskov. Although some villains are long such as Scaramanga and Auric Goldfinger so ... SpecialWindler 06:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Such as ...
SpecialWindler 22:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
SpecialWindler 10:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I say keep the template with each Bond Girl seperately. Who wants to go through a list of at the most two Bond Girls per film? Seems redundant. Just better to let them have their own page and be listed on the template individually instead of by "List of BG 'film'". Bond villains and Allies can be many per film, but Bond Girls are far fewer. Take Casino Royale, there are only 2 Bond Girls yet atleast 5 villains (Chiffre, White, Dimitrios, Gettler, that guy at Miami Airport) and atleast 3 or 4 allies (Mathis, Felix, that guy in Madagascar). Obviously those are much more than 2 Bond Girls. El Greco 00:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, but whats the point of having small articles such as Solange (James Bond), Moly Warmflash, (the countess from fyeo), and other ones. The longest Bond article is Vesper Lynd, yet basically it is not extra long with Solange and Vesper put together, others are the same. It basically because there are articles that are too short, although some are long (vesper, Tracy Bond and Pussy Galore (James Bond), most are short even very main bond girls like Honey Ryder, Jinx and Christmas Jones or Wai Lin. Most pages are very short. (Note most of these pages i linked go to their corresponding girl by film page) SpecialWindler 04:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- What if a character appears in a book but not the movie? These were made highly out of process, and they each should have their own page.. EnsRedShirt 07:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have added a novel part to the top of the "List of James Bond girls in (DN,FRWL,GF,TB,YOLT,OHMSS,DAF,LALD,TMWTGG,TSWLM,MR,FYEO,OCT,AVTAK,TLD and CR). This allows characters from the novels to be added to the pages. I will also add a novel part to the intros of all the pages in Allies and Henchmen. I did not change LTK,GE,TND,TWINE,DAD because they are original stories. I think due to the shortness of each Bond girl page they should be joined. The Vesper Lynd page is the longest Bond girl page out of the 40 odd girls. Now that averages 2 Bond girls per film page, but it gets rid of small (not important) Bond girl articles including Patricia Fearing, Plenty O'Toole, Corinne Dufour, Bibi Dahl, that countess from fyeo, Pola Ivanova, Dr. Molly Warmflash, to be joined. But this way more Bond girls can be added such as Liz from TLD, that peaceful fountains from DAD etc.. SpecialWindler 08:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- And exactly who are you to define who is and who is not a bond girl? EnsRedShirt 09:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I must state that it is easy to define a Bond girl, first there is a list at Bond girls and any girl in a Bond film that romantically gestures with Commander James Bond, is considered a Bond girl (though I don't know why they consider Valenka of Casino Royale a bond girl). SpecialWindler 10:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- And exactly who are you to define who is and who is not a bond girl? EnsRedShirt 09:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have added a novel part to the top of the "List of James Bond girls in (DN,FRWL,GF,TB,YOLT,OHMSS,DAF,LALD,TMWTGG,TSWLM,MR,FYEO,OCT,AVTAK,TLD and CR). This allows characters from the novels to be added to the pages. I will also add a novel part to the intros of all the pages in Allies and Henchmen. I did not change LTK,GE,TND,TWINE,DAD because they are original stories. I think due to the shortness of each Bond girl page they should be joined. The Vesper Lynd page is the longest Bond girl page out of the 40 odd girls. Now that averages 2 Bond girls per film page, but it gets rid of small (not important) Bond girl articles including Patricia Fearing, Plenty O'Toole, Corinne Dufour, Bibi Dahl, that countess from fyeo, Pola Ivanova, Dr. Molly Warmflash, to be joined. But this way more Bond girls can be added such as Liz from TLD, that peaceful fountains from DAD etc.. SpecialWindler 08:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- What if a character appears in a book but not the movie? These were made highly out of process, and they each should have their own page.. EnsRedShirt 07:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, but whats the point of having small articles such as Solange (James Bond), Moly Warmflash, (the countess from fyeo), and other ones. The longest Bond article is Vesper Lynd, yet basically it is not extra long with Solange and Vesper put together, others are the same. It basically because there are articles that are too short, although some are long (vesper, Tracy Bond and Pussy Galore (James Bond), most are short even very main bond girls like Honey Ryder, Jinx and Christmas Jones or Wai Lin. Most pages are very short. (Note most of these pages i linked go to their corresponding girl by film page) SpecialWindler 04:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I went back to each indivdual Bond Girls Listings. It's redundant listing them by Film. If there is only one Bond girl in the entire film, what's the point of the list to begin with? A list is useful with many people, not one or two. Look whether or not some of these pages are small is mostly irrelevant (There are other small pages on Wiki), they are not stubs. What we know about the character is in the article, and that's the point. El Greco 14:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, reception to this idea was negative. So, i removed the "List of James Bond girls in XXX" and redirected them all to Bond girl. Minor Bond girls should be moved to "List of James Bond allies in XXX]], such as Dr. Molly Warmflash, but thats my opinion. SpecialWindler 08:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The "James Bond" name
QUESTION: Is the "James Bond" name, the real name of ONE single James Bond character... or is the name an alias that comes with the 007 title that has been adopted by more than one double-0 agent (not at the same time) to protect their real identity ? I know this might be a nerdy question but it would settle a discussion that started in a pub after a few pints. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.224.113.189 (talk)
- Not a clue, my friend... never thought of it... xC | ☎ 13:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a copy of Casino Royale here to watch right now but I think Bond's second kill in the movie refers to him as "Bond" before he has his double-0 status. If so, James Bond would be his "real" name. I say "real" because James Bond may be a pseudonym that he took on when he entered MI-6 to protect his real identity, double-0 or not. Dismas|(talk) 06:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- In that case, Alec Trevalyn would also be a psuedonym.
- But what's the point in protecting James Bond's real identity? James is an orphan, so it's not like Spiderman, where he has a secret-identity to protect his loved ones.
- Also, James has retired several times, and still keeps 'James Bond' as his name. And, I'm pretty sure his wife took on Bond as her last name ; which wouldn't make much sense unless she was planning on being a double-o agent as well. Last, I think they refferred to him as 'Commadore Bond' at his funeral that one time. JimmmyThePiep 23:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course there is only one "James Bond, 007" otherwise why would Roger Moore's Bond visit the grave of George Lazenby's Bond's wife? "James Bond, 007" is one man's name and number NOT a codename given to many diffrent men. (Callum J. Stewart 15:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC))
Please do not use Wikipedia as a forum: the talk page is for discussion as to how to improve the article. Thank you. Alientraveller 15:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
My bad. Apologies. Though, this could potentially help the article. Perhaps a section on the fan controversy surrounding the name and number? (Callum J. Stewart 15:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC))
As long as you can avoid original research. Alientraveller 15:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Whoever asked the question "Is James Bond a codename?", the answer is no. Ever read the Yound Bond novels. He was still James Bond before the OO section was even created and Bond was just a teenager. Emperor001 20:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bond references in popular culture, namely in music
I was just wondering why in the music section or anywhere in the article it does not mention music references to James Bond, James Bond references are quite common in hip-hop and rock, like in Eric B. and Rakim's song Let the Rythem Hit 'em, it references James Bond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sklar OTHP (talk • contribs) 11 April 2007
[edit] What Bond looked like
We have the chance to head the page with something like what Fleming thought his own character looked like (and he does look a bit like Hoagy Carmichael), vs. just a number. But somebody disagrees, so I hereby throw the issue out as a RfC (request for comment) among those who really care (and who have long standing Wikipedia accounts, so you're not sockpuppets). Put your opinions here, please. SBHarris 22:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Number I'd rather have the number because thats the basic logo of 007. Logos normally go up the top, so. the logo is used in all the films (on their covers) and most novels have 007 with a gun after it, though it varys from this logo. SpecialWindler 08:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Bond is not the films, which is where you get the logo. Bond is the books also, which never had it till the films came up with it. Second, logos don't go before pictures of PEOPLE. Even fictional people. Look at the Wikis for Batman and Superman. They both have entirely recognizable logos, but their pictures go first. The only exception I know of is Prince, but that's because the switch of logo for name is his thing. This is certainly not the case for Bond.SBHarris 23:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps a collection of pictures of various interpretations of Bond, from the line drawing we have at the moment, Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, Craig, the McLuskey strip Bond &etc would be a good idea. That way all incarnations of Bond can be presented. I dunno, maybe it's just me but the picture we currently have just doesn't scream "James Bond!" the way I think it should. (Callum J. Stewart 13:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC))
- Didn't read the whole article, did you? There is a gallery of Bond actors, later on. Yes, the drawing is a bit of a shock, but it's of interest as to how the author saw Bond, and the public saw Bond, before Sean Connery changed everything. Perhaps here's the place to remind ourselves of this. It DOES look a bit like Hoagy Carmichael, and also a bit like the young Ian Fleming before he smoked himself into premature old-age. I'd love to have a usable early Fleming pic. SBHarris 19:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this discussion is still going, but i'm in favour of Fleming's commissioned image of Bond, as the article does focus on the novels (there is a seperate article for the Bond Films). Theblinddevil 00:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Harris, I DID read the article, and have seen the gallery of Bond actors, but a gallery of Bond actors was not what I suggested. I suggested, if you re-read my initial post, was a gallery of several different interpretations of Bond - the Carmichael-esque line drawing, the 6 "canon" actors, Barry Nelson, the John McLuskey comic strip Bond and any noteable others. (Callum J. Stewart 09:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC))
[edit] WikiProject proposal
I have proposed a WikiProject dedicated to James Bond. If you would like to assist with he project, please add your name on the proposal page under 'interested Wikipedians'. Ganfon 21:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Links
Mhking, whats your justification for removing around half of the external links?
From the External Links page:
This page in a nutshell: Adding external links can be a service to our readers, but they should be kept to a minimum of those that are meritable, accessible and appropriate to the article.
I think a few of the links you removed were very appropriate to the article. You may argue that there were too many, but to be fair, i think the number was fine for such a large article and topic. I think they should be restored. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theblinddevil (talk • contribs) 01:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
- "appropriate to the article" in Wikipedia terms means links that add to or go into greater detail than the article. General fansites, blogs and message forums don't normally add to an article and therefore most Wikipedia articles avoid them. - X201 08:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Ok, i get your point, but i was wondering why certain fan sites were included and others wern't, and why a magazine subscription site was considered to be so relevant. Perhaps a more general link to the open directory project would be better. Theblinddevil 12:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
My point was to remove the majority of the fan links; as was noted above, the number of external links should be kept to a minimum. If there are some that are "better" than others, or if there are any that are subscription-only links (I thought I pared away those), then that should be addressed. I had not intended to keep a subscription-only link. I had, however, intended to keep what is at least thought of as the most widely used/referenced fan links. But the number that was there previously was certainly more than should be there (despite the size of the article; the size of the article is not germane to the discussion at hand). If there are fan links that should/shouldn't be there, I'm certainly open to discuss them. However, the number of links should not grow to the prior level. --Mhking 13:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for clearing things up. I have a few suggestions. Although it is mainly a community site, perhaps www.ajb007.co.uk should be re-added to the list, because it is a widely visited site and probably the most popular 007 community. I'm not sure if it will really expand on this article though. I would also like to suggest jamesbondmm.co.uk and 007james.com. Both 007james.com and bondpedia.net have decent content but are still under construction. I think they should both be either added or removed, depending on your opinion of partially completed sites. As for sites to be removed, i think that 007magazine.co.uk should go because it basically just sells subscriptions. Also, i think that youngbonddossier.com should be removed because it is linked to on the Young Bond novel pages, and the topic is barely mentioned on the main 007 page. Here is my proposed fan links section:
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- Fan sites
- Theblinddevil 17:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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- On the surface, the only ones that I'd disagree with are the Research, Multimedia and Movies sites; this article has to do with the literary Bond. I'm hesitant on anything that is forum-based in any way, shape or form. That reduces the number of fan sites to six, which IMO is a manageable and reasonable number. I've made the appropriate change. I'll be taking a look at the other Bond articles over the next week or so as well (my time is not my own these days - I'm just finishing tax season; I prepare taxes in spare time now -- plus I'm a television producer with the local NBC affiliate, so I spent most of yesterday in one-armed-paper-hanger mode). --Mhking 15:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Whoops. Sorry. I didn't see there was a discussion here. I don't agree with some of the changes to the links. You've deleted 007Magazine (which is an excellent news source and has been around for over 30 years) and The Young Bond Dossier (full disclosure: it's my site, but shouldn't the literary Bond be represented here?) in favor of two sites that are primarily fan forums and who get their news via feeds from the two sites you deleted-? --Zencato 16:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm open to a suggested list. But I agree, that any site that has its source in forums should be removed. In fact, that is noted in WP:EL. The other caveat is that I'd like to keep the number of fan links below 5 if at all possible. Thanks for the heads up. --Mhking 16:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's my suggested links:
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- Fan sites
- Absolutely James Bond - (yes, it's a forum, but a major one)
- BondMovies.com
- CommanderBond.net
- 007 Magazine Online
- MI6.co.uk
- Universal Exports - The Home of James Bond, 007
- The Young Bond Dossier
--Zencato 16:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Bondpedia is a 007 based wiki, it is the biggest 007 encyclopedia on the net, if thats not expanding on the article I dont know what is, It should be included. Highfields 17:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Bondpedia would have to get past the Links normally to be avoided guideline on WP:EL, section 12 states "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.". Now I think that Bondpedia passes the stability test but it's user list [1] shows that it only has 32 editors with logins which must mean that all other edits are done by anon IP, does that make it trustworthy enough to state as an external link?. - X201 17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I have just removed a link someone added to double0section.net, based on the above discussion about not including forum sites (and the fact that it had 0 registered users). Theblinddevil 23:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone (212.32.88.106) has recently re-added 007magazine.co.uk to the fan sites. We haven't come to a consensus on this matter have we? I agree with Zencato that it seems to be a good source for news, but isn't it's main focus the magazine subscriptions?
Zencato, when you said You've deleted...in favor of two sites that are primarily fan forums and who get their news via feeds from the two sites you deleted, which sites were you refering to? (sorry, i lost track) Theblinddevil 17:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it should just be left as it is at this moment in time Highfields 15:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (ps. I think somebody may have put 007 Magazine on again shouldn't it have already deleted)
Someone added a link to jamesbondlifestyle.com. I think it should be moved to the James Bond film article, as it discusses items in the films only (as far as i can see anyway). Anyone agree with me? Also, should 007Magazine stay or go?Theblinddevil 00:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone has removed all the fan site links, i think the article has been ripped of a decent and valuable resource for users. I think they should be restored, anyone agree? Theblinddevil 03:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template Gap
There seems to be a small gap above the james bond actors template. There is no spacing between the other five, so it makes it look out of place. The source seems fine though, i can't see where the gap is coming from, unless it's from the above template. Theblinddevil 17:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed. There was a blank line at the bottom of the themes template. - X201 07:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] stuff
this is some info i just removed from james bond, put it here in case its needed.
[edit] Locations
- Both Thunderball (1965) and Casino Royale (2006) were filmed at the casino resort on Paradise Island in the Bahamas.
- The Man With The Golden Gun (1974) was filmed in Bangkok and Phang Nga Bay in Thailand. The island in Pha Nga which is featured in the movie is a popular tourist destination, and has been nicknamed "James Bond Island" due to this association.
[edit] Other
- Alice Cooper submitted a song called "Man With the Golden Gun" to the producers of the Bond movie of the same name. After they refused it, the song showed up on Alice's 1974 album, Muscle of Love.
- German disco group Dschinghis Khan performed a song called "James Bond" on their 1982 album Helden, Schurken und der Dudelmoser.[1]
- English rock group Placebo performed a song called "Miss Moneypenny" on their 1997 single "Nancy Boy"
- Swiss rock group Tunnelkid performed a song called "007" on their 2006 album Hang Me Now or Shoot Me Later.
- Swiss rock group Blotch performed a song called "Roger Moore" on their 2004 album Passion, Love and Hurt.
- Desmond Dekker & the Aces had a UK Top 10 hit with the single "007" in 1967.
- On their second album More Specials, released in 1980, The Specials closed side 1 with the track "Sock It To 'Em, J.B." Taking the song title at face value, the obvious musical JB inspiration is James Brown. However as the lyric name checks all the pre-1980 movies, inspiration for the track lies elsewhere.
- Kanye West and Jay-Z collaborate on Diamonds From Sierra Leone, a song about the atrocities in Sierra Leone, but samples the theme from Diamonds Are Forever.
- Two disco versions of the James Bond theme were released: one by the Biddu Orchestra called "James Bond Disco Theme" in 1978, and one by Marvin Hamlisch called "Bond '77" in 1977. The latter was composed for The Spy Who Loved Me.
- First Endeavour Paintball uses the 007 pistol logo on their standard barrels for The Quest Marker.
- Robbie William uses the theme tune to You Only Live Twice in his song "Millenium".
[edit] Spoofs
- In the series Austin Powers, Dr. Evil's Evil Organization is a spoof of SPECTRE.
- 00.07 spoofs M with Commander N, SPECTRE with EIEIO, and 007 with 00.07.
- The character "G" from Club Penguin is a less obvious spoof of Q.
- In 'Kentucky Fried Movie' former Bond George Lazenby plays a Bond-like character in a skit within the movie.
- In 'Looney Tunes, Back in Action' former Bond Timothy Dalton plays a Bond-like character.
[edit] Signature
SpecialWindler 06:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
Many of the claims in this article are unsourced. The whole of the "creation and inspiration" section has only 3 sources and many sections have 2 or less sources each. This is probably the biggest obstacle between this article and FA status - • The Giant Puffin • 16:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, what specifically would you like sources for? Editus 18:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- The Jimmy Neutron' line is far from clear. Also, it would be useful to know the specific episode in which Steed got the note from Mrs. Gale. John Carter 20:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Misleading?
Is it just me or is this a misleading sentence: "In addition there are two independent productions and one Fleming-licenced American television adaptation of the first novel." This seems to suggest that there are two independant productions of "Casino Royale" (ie "the first novel") in addition to the American TV adap. Callum J. Stewart 13:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I've fixed this and added piped links to the articles for both the TV adaptation and the spoof. Editus 16:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Editus, but you forgot that there are TWO independant Bond movies - the spoof and "Never Say Never Again." I've added a note about Never Say Never Again and added a link. Callum J. Stewart 09:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lead Sentence
"Photos of film actors who have played Bond are posted later in the article; the beginning here is the actual beginning in the author's imagination." I think this sentence would be more appropriate here on the talk page; it's very clunky as the first thing you read in the article.--Trystan 15:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
It's more than clunky. It's crap - and it's gone. (Callum J. Stewart 21:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC))
[edit] 007 logo
I just noticed that this Image:007.svg 007 logo is up for deletion because it's orphaned. Enthousiastic JB editors might think about incorperating it somehow. Seems a waste to delete this. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Third highest amount of sequels"
Where did that statistic come from? What about series like Zatoichi? That's just off the top of my head - I'm sure some film students could come up with more. Jimmysholes 19:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC) I looked back through some archived "discussion" and this was indeed brought up before when the Bond series was apparently listed as having the second highest amount of sequels. There were also many more examples thrown out besides Zatoichi...I would recommend just taking that sentence out entirely, as it's clearly false. Jimmysholes 19:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dusko Popov as inspiration for James Bond?
Other than Dusko Popov claiming that he was Flemming's Inspiration for James Bond, are there any sources or citations for it? I'm not disputing it, but it would be interesting to see some evidence of that other than from Popov and descendants GuyInCT 22:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is the National Enquirer being referenced as the source for the "real" James Bond (why is it being referenced at all)? I was under the assumption the inspiration was William Stephenson, as Ian Fleming has quoted: "James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is ...William Stephenson" -- Ian Fleming, The Times of London, October 21, 1962. User:discotraxx 07:16, 29 September 2007 UTC
Well, take the BBC then... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1973962.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.7.171 (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
After that read CNN: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/05/08/britain.agent/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.7.171 (talk) 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Most successful franchise?
Hi, according to the Wikipedia page, James Bond is with its 4 billion box office the second most successful movie franchise in history, after Star Wars. According to fresh data on http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/franchises.php James Bond has regained its worldwide position as number 1 while Star Wars remain as number 1 on US level only. Maybe the Star Wars line should be removed in order not to cause confusion?
[edit] 5th Pierce Brosnan 007 movie
Guys, should we add the fact that Pierce Brosnan was going to make his 5th James Bond movie? It was cancel and substituted by Daniel Craig(the new James Bond)and by the movie Casino Royale(the new 007 movie).
- Unless you can cite it, but I believe it was planned to be Casino Royale early on, and Brosnan was hired being in his 50s. Alientraveller 20:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move request for Bond girl articles
There is a currently a discussion of a move request to move some of the James Bond girl articles. All members of the James Bond Wikiproject and all other interested parties are invited to comment on the Wikiproject page here. ●DanMS • Talk 02:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Charlie Higson
Right, Charlie Higson has undoubtedly written James Bond books, but aren't these Young James Bond books, a kind of spin off? They aren't "proper" Bond books like John Gardner wrote? Surely these Young James Bond books deserve mention, but not in the first paragraph of the article?
Any comments? Otherwise I may have to be bold...
--Stanleytheman 23:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
No comments, so I've been bold
--Stanleytheman 19:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I disagree with the deletion. The Young Bond books are not a "spin off" like James Bond Jr. or the Find Your Fate novels. The Young Bond books are proper "continuation novels" fully licensed by the Fleming family, they are set within the timeline of the original Fleming novels (technically making only "young" Bond the same Bond from Fleming -- later continuation novels transported him ageless 20 into the future), and they are international bestsellers, matched in sales only by the original Fleming books. Charlie Higson is also major name (a big star in the UK). Yes, they are targeted at readers 9-12, but they are clearly books that can and are enjoyed by adults (the page counts of the YB novels surpass all the other Bond novels). I see them every bit as "proper" as the other continuation novels and, yes, worth mentioning in a paragraph talking about James Bond novels. In fact, to not mention the YB novels is major omission, IMO. --Zencato 00:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with it because in a way the Gardener and Benson novels were spin offs of flemming's books Highfields 09:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm well aware who Charlie Higson is, being a fan of the fast show. If you disagree with the edit, change it back.--Stanleytheman 21:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I certainly disagree and I certainly reverted your edit. This is incredibly silly. Charlie Higson writes officially sanctioned Bond novels. Charlie Higson is therefore a Bond author. Period. There shouldn't even be a discussion on this. It's sad that there is. K1Bond007 19:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Does my face look bothered? --Stanleytheman 21:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Are the movies supposed to be continuous?
I think that the Connery Bonds are supposed to be continuous with themselves, and the same for the Moores, Brosnans, etc, but I don't see how the Connerys can be continuous with the Brosnans, if for no other reason, the fact that the era of the Brosnans is present day, while the Connerys are in the 1960s.--Irish Rogue 20:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
He remembers the jet pack from Thunderball in Die Another Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.118.132.154 (talk) 22:00, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
- Bond is a very spry 80 year old, that's all. He works out a lot. As his CV shows that he has saved the world on at least 15 occasions, I think it is a bit harsh of M (incarnated as Judy Dench) telling him that he is a "dinosaur". Prior to Casino Royale (2006), the films were generally standalone, with occasional elements of a sequel proper, as when Jaws makes a return appearance, and when Bond takes vengeance on Blofeld after he killed Bond’s wife in a prior film. The audience is not meant to look closely at the fact that Bond has been on active duty for 50 years. But with Casino Royale, the whole apparatus becomes logically as well as practically impossible, for there the film has him attaining his OO licence in what is obviously 2006. To make it worse, M, who authorises him for this, with considerable misgivings, is played by the same woman (Judy Dench) who in earlier films was quite aware of Bond’s status as a OO agent, and had worked with him for many years. It used to be amusing when I watched the other characters of the series – M, Moneypenny, and Q – grow older, as Bond remained the same youthful and irrepressible man. Oh BEEHAVE!! Myles325a (talk) 03:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cool site link
I think this sould be added to the Unofficial sites: links
Has lots to do with James bond and who doesn't want to be like him. He's so cool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Banananose3 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bond 22/23
is there any confirmed data that another movie will follow after Bond 22? I've been trying to erase the data for a "Bond 23" in the table, but the test version turns out differently. Some guy's crystal balling the data. If anyone knows how to remove it properly, please do so. Thanks. Eaglestorm (talk) 07:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- There is a date in so much as a planned "Bond 23 will follow in 2010" but that's all that has been said, it's pencilled in just like Casino Royale would have bee pencilled in three tears before release. But nothing absolutley rock solid as in 23 November 2010 etc. - X201 (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This might be Original Research.
...but I find it intriguing that the fictional Bond heraldic motto "The World is Not Enough" is the same in meaning as the frontside of a commemorial medal of Queen Christina of Sweden. (the backside shows the stars with the legend: "This is Enough" in latin) -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 11:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Height
In Casino Royale, Bond's height is given as 180 cm, which is 6 feet, not 6'1". America's Wang (talk) 01:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's actually just shy of 5' 11". Worth correcting in the article, I think. SBHarris 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- I must have dreamed it. I can't find it in Casino Royale. According to Wikipedia's article James Bond (character), his height is given in From Russia With Love as 183 cm, which is 6', which must have been what I was thinking of. I don't know if people were shorter in the 50s, but 6' feet does not seem tall by today's standards. But that's not relevant to this discussion I guess. America's Wang (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism
If Harry Potter, who seems an harmless caracther, as been subjet of so much criticism, even from the pope himself, it would make sense to add a section of criticism, from feminist, religious groups, and others, about James Bond, whose novels and films are openly more then sexists and seem to promote free justice and revenge.19:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)~
[edit] Fleming Bond vs film Bond
I would be interested in learning more about the differences between the film Bond, as played by Sean Connery, and the “real” Bond, as envisaged by Ian Fleming. Some people see the films and assume that Bond is independently wealthy, judged by the way he dresses, drinks, and gambles. But in the books, Bond is anything but rich. He lives (if I remember rightly) in a humble flat, and has only the notoriously stingy wage from the Service to pay his way. He does afford a live-in cook, who plays the role of a gently-chiding mother, so he has a Moneypenny at home as well as office. In the books, the casinos and jet setting are provided in the course of his work, and for his work only. The Fleming books give him a past, and a pretty ordinary one at that. This is more than the films do, where he, like most super heroes has no family or close friends to speak of, no hobbies or interests outside of those relating directly to his work. (Bond’s marriage in “OHMSS” surprised audiences by having him fall in love, rather than rutting his way through another opus.) I read that Fleming wrote a non-spy oriented novel of Bond’s early life, and that it was a dud. Was this ever published? This article is supposed to be concentrate on Bond as a character, so it would be fitting to have greater emphasis and exposition on the man himself, rather than his gadgets, and detail how the relatively plausible Fleming’s Bond was, as contrasted to the one-man army / joke he became in the films. Myles325a (talk) 01:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- As we learn in Majesty's Secret Service, he's also a meat-and-potatoes kind of guy when at home in England, and only a bon-vivant Anthony Bourdain-style gormet when traveling on-assigment. Yes, there are articles on all the book-and-specific movie differences, but not enough of this kind of stuff on the central character himself. Be BOLD and start a section in this article. SBHarris 17:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Clicking the sort options "breaks" formatting
Good work on the table of movie titles, Bond actors, and all. However, I've worked on a few pages that have used similiar sorting style tables, and when you've got an entry that spans more than one row the format breaks when you sort on any of the others. For example, sort by title and you'll see the format fall apart. I would suggest removing the ability to sort from the table, or reformatting the entires to remove multi-row cells. TRTX (talk) 03:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bondpedia
Hi, I am writing this in reply to who ever is removing the Bondpedia link. He seems to think it has only been around since Feb. 8th, however, I am not sure where he is getting this. We have been around for well over a year now. Can you please leave it? I think it will be a valuable resource. Nokom (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Let me also add it have been removed many times in the past by people saying it is 'just a wiki', but yet the other wikia wiki remains. I think this is a simple case of someone wanting to get rid of their rival. Nokom (talk) 17:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed both of them as per WP:EL - "Links normally to be avoided" item 13. Both sites fail to meet the "open wiki" criteria for that rule. - X201 (talk) 09:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
We have a staff of five editors (I am one of them), a large history, always deal with vandals swiftly, and you MUST be registered to edit. Are you even looking at our site? If you can show me better I am at fault, I will give you my apologies. Nokom (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm an admin on this site and I think it offers more information for the reader than this article does so it is valuable for readers to know about. Anyway this has been discussed several times if you check the archives and has been allowed to stay as a result of every one. I'm fuming about this so could you please leave it or I'll have to consult admins and the relevant wikiproject Highfields (talk) (contribs) 16:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've just checked and it has already been discussed here plus as for the WP:EL "Links normally to be avoided" item 13 Bondpedia has has no vandalism for over 2 months plus a history of swift dealings with vandals as well as having 109 users of which only a minority are vandals. Highfields (talk) (contribs) 16:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Incorrect
In the music section, the line "Burt Bacharach's score for 1969's Casino Royale included "The Look Of Love"" appears to be incorrect. The year the original Casino Royale was released was 1967. IMDB link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.51.128 (talk) 11:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Obvious Mistake in the Article or Vandalism
The article states that "Fleming emphasized Bond's Scottish heritage in admiration of Sean Connery's cinematic portrayal". This is a blatant and obvious falsity. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the novel where Bond's parentage is revealed, was published in 1959. The first James Bond featuring Sean Connery was not released until 1962. Anyone who has ever read a biography of Fleming would know that he was not very fond of the 007 films. Was this mistake an act of vandalism? This kind of simple error makes me question anything posted in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.24.38.208 (talk) 05:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Film count
I was reading an interview to a game designer, who said When it comes to the most popular stories of all time, James Bond, with his 14 original novels by Ian Fleming and 24 films (a 25th is now filming), featured archetype heroes and villains, exotic locations and amazing evil lairs. Now, something is odd: the article shows 22 finished movies (including one to be released this year), an unofficial movie, and a projected movie. Could anyone clarify whether the interviewer was wrong, or if we are missing a movie or two here? -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- They're all listed here. Mr. Will Wright must be counting them by some different method, that I've never heard of. El Greco(talk) 01:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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- It is well known that programmers can't count. Here are my 0 reasons for it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error. ;) --Soyweiser (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] James Bond v. Jason Bourne
Should there be a section comparing James Bond to Jason Bourne? Considering that the Bourne films are much better, that seems like a good idea. The Bourne films make 007 look like a pussy. --RisingSunWiki 03:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Only if there are published sources that do so. If not, please do not create an article like that as it would be Wikipedia:Original research
Dude James Bond is much better than Jason Bourne unlike the Bourne films James Bond films aren't just about massive explosions and very unrealistic firefights they actually have a plot as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.134.134 (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Jean Frampton
Turns out Ian Fleming got some help from Jean Frampton: http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/04/11/bond.author.ap/index.html Where would this go? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mistake on "Thunderball" budget
If somebody can correct "Thunderball" budget on main "James Bond" page, it would be great (modifications are locked for me) : Budget is 5,6 millions Dollars and not 11 millions (that would be three Goldfingers movies !). Source : "Thunderball" page of Wikipedia EN + "Le Monde" booklet of "Thunderball DVD.
[edit] DanielCraigIsNotBond
Does anyone think that a link to http://www.danielcraigisnotbond.com/ would be appropriate in the unofficial sites section of the external links?--Urban Rose 09:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- If you don't like Craig, then just watch the Jason Bourne films instead. The British are a bunch of pussies anyway. --RisingSunWiki 02:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cultural impact
I also suggest 'The Wild Wild West' was derivative of the James Bond spy genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.203.58.1 (talk) 19:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Commanderbond.net
Following a discussion about the above website here earlier today, I am wondering whether we should add a link to it here. It seems to be a valuable resource. What do others think? Thanks. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Um it's not an official website so I don't think there should be an external link, but can be referenced/cited? Many thanks, δ²(Talk) 01:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
