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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. El Greco(talk) 15:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was already moved.

James Bond theme → James Bond Theme — Change to correct track title. The track name "James Bond Theme" is case sensitive according to English rules of grammar. So the "t" in "James Bond theme" has to be capitalised. —Bonding For Today (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Discussion

The track name "James Bond Theme" is case sensitive according to English rules of grammar. So the "t" in "James Bond theme" has to be capitalised. Bonding For Today (talk) 23:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not that simple... James Bond theme could equally be a formal or informal title for the piece, or both. The formal title would be capitalised, the informal not. And as this article actually covers several different pieces of music, it's probably the informal title. The article cites no sources at all, so these are no help. There's even a CD with the title Themes from James Bond Movies (my emphasis), which presumably contains James Bond themes - no capital. According to Amazon, track 12 is James Bond Theme, and rightly capitalised. But is this the formal title of all the pieces of music which are the subject of this article? It seems doubtful. Andrewa (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Tentative oppose I agree with Andrewa that the track name isn't reason enough to rename the article, since there are many different versions of the theme. If it's all considered a single piece of music with that title, then of course things change. I'll change my mind if evidence can be intoduced showing that the theme itself rather than a particular version/recording of it is most often referred to as the "James Bond Theme". Joeldl (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support It appears to be correct that that is the official title of the piece. The first few references from a search of Google Books [1] are mostly people writing about it as a topic, and most use a capital letter. On the other hand, a Google Scholar Search [2] shows that people are much more likely to refer to it generically when mentioning it in passing - also a legitimate choice, since we need to consider what people are most likely to write in linking to the article. On balance, I think accuracy outweighs the linking issue, so I support the move. Joeldl (talk) 10:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, yes, this article is about one particular piece of music, which is the James Bond Theme, written by Monty Norman. The sheet music is here, on sheetmusicplus.com. There are various songs from James Bond listed at Category:James Bond songs; these are the contents of the CD that Andrewa found. But this article is about is one particular tune that is used in all the films. (or perhaps I missed a subtlety in Andrewa's argument?) Sam Staton (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not that subtle... In English, "James Bond Theme" (capital T) has a different meaning to "James Bond theme" (lower case t). So the question is, which of the two is this article about? If it's about this particular piece of music, or even two pieces with the same name (Current article reads A second piece of music called "The James Bond Theme" was written by Monty Norman for use in Dr. No prior to the composition of the more famous piece of music) then yes, it should be capitalised. I'm coming around to that view. Andrewa (talk) 11:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support — User:Master of Puppets appears to have already moved it; but yes, if this article refers to the "James Bond Theme" as in the one composed by Monty Norman, then its correct place is at James Bond Theme, as is its proper name. EJF (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.