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[edit] GA review

This isn't complete. I'm just going to list some things here as I find them. The full review will be up with results this weekend.

  • When did his name change from Blount to Blunt?
  • Chart positions, RIAA certifications and sales figures should be backed by sources.
  • There's an inconsistency in large numbers being spelled out (ie. 25 countries vs. twenty-nine countries).

Lara❤Love 20:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, LaraLove. I will work on these points this weekend, as well as any other comments you may have. Blunt hasn't actually changed his name, as far as I can tell he has only used it as a stage name since 2003 but his EMI records all list him under his legal name of Blount, so I am not quite sure what to do with that one. Risker (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Just note that. Say that Blunt is only a stage name, that he has never legally changed his name. Because, from my point of view, I thought his family or just he had legally dropped the o and it just hadn't been included in the article. I had a similar issue finding a source for a name change for the article I'm working on. I suppose that's where my assumption came from. Lara❤Love 05:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with LaraLove with her assesment. I too feel there needs to be more sources for the RIAA certifications and the numbers need to be consistant. Otherwise, I think you are doing a fine job with this article Canyouhearmenow 13:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Furthermore

Further, this article needs a copy-edit and the tone of this article seems to be POV ("extraordinarily popular"). certificated should certified; refer WP:MOSNUM for numbering: numbers below 10 should be written by word (three not 3). The "Reaction to succes" section reads more like a magazine article than an encyclopedia; remove it entirely (The cockney slang can be incorporated to the Career section). The discography here should only contain studio albums, the rest of it can be found in the Discog article. Remove bold italics from the awards. Also, if the awards have sub-headings for the years, why does every entry also have year mentioned? Shouldn't the music sample be "you're beautiful" being his most recognisable song and all (also include a detailed caption for it)? indopug (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent recommendations. In particular, I appreciate the comments on the "Reactions to success" section; it was difficult to decide exactly what to put in there, and your suggestion makes sense to me. Unfortunately, a lot of the 'negative' comments seem to be writers saying that "critics have said..." without naming particular critics, and I have found almost no published professional reviews that were truly critical of his music. Thanks for your comments. Risker (talk) 18:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Then why is that section is still there? Why is there still no "youre beautiful" sample? That mention about the "record-breaking" X&Y isnt suitable for Blunt's article really. Also, there should be a section explaining his style of music, influences etc. A large portion of this article needs rewriting: the second para of Back to Bedlam talks in extraordinary depth about how the album charted across many charts. This is James Blunt's article, please summarise accordingly. indopug (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Please Indopug - cut me some slack. I've had a wonky internet connection due to weather problems, I have a real life job that so far I have worked 60 hours at this week (and it's only halfway through Thursday), I have no idea how to do an .ogg file so have left a message for the editor who uploaded the Goodbye My Lover one asking for assistance. Goodbye My Lover was, however, his second biggest hit, and that isn't incongruent with the samples seen in the articles relating to many other artists (if they have a music sample at all), so it isn't completely out of place. I may wind up removing the Goodbye My Lover sample anyway, if I cannot come up with an appropriate fair use statement in such a way that it can be used in two articles; is it more important in the Goodbye My Lover article, or the James Blunt one? It strikes me that you are looking for FA-level content at a GA-level review. Some of the information you are looking for isn't really available (e.g., Blunt doesn't talk much about his influences) which is part of the reason I haven't aimed for FA status in this article. Please feel free to add sourced and referenced information to this article; Wikipedia is intended to be a collaborative effort. Risker (talk) 21:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry... I tend to get carried away sometimes. I thought you were simply avoiding doing it. I think I can help out with the "beautiful" sample; drop me a line (telling me which portion of the song you need). An influences section is pretty much standard for music articles, but if there is nothing, well, what can you do? As for that FA thing, you might be right cause I'm quite active on FACs. So sorry again, and best of luck indopug (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
    See MOS:NUM.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Extraordinary claims, literally in this case, must be backed by references. Examples: "Blunt's first album was extraordinarily popular with the general public." Although, "extraordinarily" reads very editorial, in my opinion. Also, chart positions, sales figures and certifications need sources.
    C. No original research:
    Questionable, per 2b. If there is no source to back up a claim, it needs to be removed.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Is there no information on his personal life?
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    There is mention of criticism, but none referenced. Surely there is something.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    Fair use media (including ogg files) need to have a Fair Use Rationale for each article it is used in. Currently there is an ogg file and an image being used in two articles, but the FURs are non-specific and there is only one for each. There should be two each, and they should specifically list each article.
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Although, for the ogg file, I would specify what album rather than "the album".
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    I'm placing the article on hold for seven days. I'll check back, or you can drop a note on my talk page if you have questions or think it's ready for re-review. Lara❤Love 02:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks, LaraLove (and other reviewers). I have started working on these recommendations and will have them completed within the week. I'll drop you a note on your talk page when I think it is ready for re-review, or if I have any questions. All of the recommendations make sense to me, and I will dig further for criticism from professional reviewers. I believe I may have more success from the reviews of the second album than I did from the first album. Risker (talk) 03:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll try to drop by tomorrow afternoon or evening to see if I can help some, Risker. You're doing really great work here! Keep it up! Bellwether BC 05:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why I missed this before, and I apologize, but the lead needs to cover everything. It should include some basic information from each section. For the second paragraph of the lead, some information about his personal life and philanthropy should be included. Lara❤Love 15:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. When I "finished" up my editing it was the wee hours of the morning and I couldn't quite put my finger on what seemed to be missing; now that I've looked at it again, the shortness of the lead is pretty obvious. I've expanded it to cover some of the information in those sections as well, and will leave you a message on your page. Risker (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Very nice work. The article has now been listed as a Good article. Thank you for all your hard work. In improving this article, you have improved the quality of Wikipedia! Lara❤Love 02:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ski lift

The following was added without sources by an anon to the "Military career" section. I'm moving it here until it can be determined if and where to place it, and whether or not it can be sourced.

"He mentioned in Top Gear that a ski lift was named after him. To celebrate it's opening he claimed that he had to smash a bottle on the lift and say "I now proclaim this lift opened and good luck to all who ride me". "

Risker (talk) 18:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Links to London Gazette

User:David Underdown was kind enough to add some links to the London Gazette providing complete dates and information about Blunt's military promotions and confirming that his father retired as a colonel. Unfortunately, two of the three templated links added are not working properly. I have notified David of the problem on his talk page[1] and will move the links to this page temporarily until he has a chance to sort them out. As the article does not depend on these links for references, they can wait for a bit. Risker (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC) Moved links: <ref>{{LondonGazette|issue=56261|supp=yes|startpage=7807|date=[[3 July]] [[2001]]|accessdate=2008-02-12}}</ref>
<ref name=commissioningGazette>{{LondonGazette|issue=54899|supp=yes|startpage=10720|date=[[22 September]] [[1997]]|accessdate=2008-02-12}}</ref>
<ref name=commissioningGazette /><ref>{{LondonGazette|issue=55776|supp=yes|startpage=2269|date=[[28 February]] [[2000]]|accessdate=2008-02-12}}</ref>

(And this section as well: He had extended his period of service in November 2000,[1] but then retired from the army on 1 October 2002.[2])
--Risker (talk) 07:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, the one referring to his initial commissioning was OK, but the others being post 2000 needed an additional parameter, notarchive=yes which changes &type in the url from (since they were all in supplements) from &type=ArchivedSupplementPage to &type=Supplement (I didn't spot the difference first time I came across the problem either). A small comment, it would have been easier for me to straighten out if you had simply commented out the references (like the comment about real v stage name), and any text depending on them, rather than deleting them all outright.
I always mean to verify th elinks manually when I'v eput them in, but frequently forget. David Underdown (talk) 09:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leaving the army

Hopefully my woridng will satisfy the anon, and is simpler than the previous attempt (in any case he still held a commission in the Reserve of Officers. With regard to the anons comments, I notice that on the same page the wording for those who are to receive retired pay is "retires on retired pay" (at least two examples). David Underdown (talk) 10:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] goodbye my lover

can anyone tel me who stared in this film clip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.106.106 (talk) 01:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Matt Dallas and Mischa Barton, along with Blunt. Risker (talk) 02:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additional info added to "military career" section

The following sentence was added to the military career section on May 24, 2008[2]: "He was the Queen's Life Guard through the Silver Jubilee and commanded the Household Cavalry riding school in Windsor." This appears to me to require a reference from a reliable source, and I have not been able to locate such facts. He was a member of the Queen's Life Guards, but this statement suggests that he was the Queen's personal Life Guard. This is again possible, but a reference source that will confirm such a posting may be impossible to find. I've moved the sentence over to this page but will continue to look for references. Risker (talk) 01:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)