Talk:Jamaican Maroons

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Contents 1 Way of Life 2 Jamacian material removed 26 Januray 2007 3 Disjointed 4 Questionable source

[edit] Way of Life

The entire section was deleted without explanation, so I restored it. I checked the discussion page, and there was no note of explanation. However, in looking back over the history, it seems that a concern has come up about the section duplicating a previous section. If the removal was intentional, and if this was the reason, by all means, reinstate your edit -- with explanation so it does not appear to be vandalism, as this page was recently vandalized in a similar manner.Djneufville (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your well-meaning attempt to revert my edit, but this section was in the article twice for no good reason. Look back at the "history" tab, and you'll see that I simply removed a subheading that was duplicated. Josh a brewer (talk) 05:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks -- the diff and history showed about 200-300 characters disappearing with your edit without comment. Hist will show the other recent blanking of the page, which was reverted. The other cleanup done looks good.Djneufville (talk) 00:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I see what happened. The "bot" messed up. In the "history" tab, lick on "last" next to 23:49, 29 January 2008 ClueBot. The bot correctly restored the page after the vandalism, yet somehow it also duplicated the "Way of life" section. That's why I removed the extra one, leaving only one "Way of life" section. Josh a brewer (talk) 04:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Jamacian material removed 26 Januray 2007

The following material was added by an IP editor (IP 172.188.176.124) under Usage and other terms by someone who apparently did not read the whole article. Much of it is already in the section on Jamaica. The Jamaican section could do with a good rewrite. Removed materail:

Following the seizure of the Spanish colony of Jamaica by a British force sent to the region by Oliver Cromwell, the local Maroons fought a prolonged insurgency campaign against the new occupier. Amongst their leaders was a female chief known as 'Nanny', now an official national hero in independent Jamaica. Local legend maintains that Nanny was able to catch British musket balls with her teeth and throw them back at the advancing redcoats.

Fighting from their mountain hideouts and protected by thick vegetation and the tropical climate, the Maroons prevailed and were eventually able to negotiate a peace treaty with the British. This treaty awarded them local self rule within two parts of the Jamaican hinterland, and they remain there today, governed independently by their 'Colonel of Maroons', a little known remnant of the original slave population brought from Africa by the Spanish in the 1500s.

The Maroons have their own language which is largely based on West African languages and when a Nigerian film crew visited them in the early 1980s, they were able to converse without recourse to English.

• Verification and citation is needed for some of this. --Bejnar 03:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disjointed

This article still remains disjointed with the information not particularly well connected. I hope that someone will continue to work on this article with a couple of the history books at their elbow. --Bejnar 02:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable source

I have to call into question the page that much of this article relies upon: The Jamaican Ministry of Education, Youth & Culture's "National Heroes" website. This source seems to cite no reliable secondary sources, and it is written like a legend rather than scholarship or history: "Nanny prayed night and day. She asked for guidance and strength. Nanny soon had a vision. She was told never to give up the fight for freedom." None of this is cited. It tells a good story, but it simply makes up parts of it. We need facts that are verifiable. I propose that someone should revise this article so that it removes much of the myth and leaves the truth. Folk tales are important, but this is an encyclopedia. We need facts. The history of the Maroons is too important to leave to the children's story hour. There are plenty of scholarly secondary sources for us to use to help us write a verifiable, NPOV, sourced article, but we should be skeptical of sources that sound like they were written to entertain kids. Incidentally, I don't question the Ministry of Education's motives in telling the tale this way. It just isn't all true. Josh a brewer (talk) 04:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)