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[edit] Name Comparison on Daily Show: Taliban and Talibani

I'm not trying to say that there is any connection, but Jon Stewart pointed this out when he was first elected. Should it be put in the article?

No, any connection is spurious. Both come from the arabic root "taalib", or "student". The Taliban in Afghanistan are a relatively new entity, whereas I'm sure the Talabani name has been in his family for centuries. Many institutions and people in Arabic-speaking nations have taalib-derived names, as it suggests scholarship (both Quranic and secular). Antidespotic 14:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Look at this: "1995 Took part in the war between KDP and PUK which killed many Kurds" I don't know my history too well, but did this ever happen? I searched the web, and it seems not. Maybe someone's attempt to be humorous. If you know the history and can confirm this, someone please remove it!--Pharos 03:34, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah it happened. It was the 1995-1998 Kurdish civil war. You can find plenty of references on the web including here. One well respected reference for this is PBS Frontline --Attriti0n 11:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Now figure me this... how did changing the picture size change it back to the olds image?--Pharos 03:34, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • OK, I "fixed" this after a fashion, but I still don't understand quite why it works this way.--Pharos 03:36, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Refresh your cache - Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. Evil Monkey∴Hello 03:37, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

The picture still looks strange. It's squished horiztonally. 128.125.248.75 05:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, for me the image is overlapping some of the page text. This is under "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050225 Firefox/1.0.1" 63.107.91.99 00:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This article doesn't make sense

It doesn't make sense where it reads "After the collapse of the Kurdish revolt in 1975, he left the KDP in 1966". 1966 is not after 1975! This is presumably a typo or the result of bad editing where the sense has become garbled. Can someone who knows the correct year please fix it? -- Cabalamat 13:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Elected to the FBI?

The article timeline says he was elected to the FBI in 1951? -- With a link to the US Federal Bureau of Investigations? I suspect this is an error.

[edit] Addition:

I added the Arabic script of Jalal Talabani's name. --MB

[edit] Be careful about copyright!

Someone added a copy of this webpage: [1] to the article. This is a copyright violation and could get Wikipedia in trouble. I've deleted it. Gronky 11:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish Text

Arabic, Persian and Kurdish (using Arabic script) are read from RIGHT to LEFT! There are 4 different Kurdish languages (they also write in arabic, cyrillic, syriac & latin alphabets) please do not change foreign words if you don't know the letters! You wrote eenabalat l'laaj!! ﺟﻪﻻﻝ ﺗﺎﻟﻪﺑﺎﻧﻰ IS correct

ﺟ=J ﻪ=aw ﻻ=LA (2 letters "lam"&"alef" mix this way to avoid confusion w/Al"of" LA means "no" in Arabic ﻝ=L lam

ﺗ=T ﺎ=A alef ﻟ=L lam ﻪ=aw ﺑ=B ﺎ=A ﻧ=N ﻰ=ee

67.42.127.21 (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Coexist _________________________________________________________________________________ The Kurdish text is completely messed up. Can an Arabic/Kurdish speaker rewrite it.

I just checked the history of this page, and one one edit, someone summarized it by "Jalal Talabani is written as ﻰﻧ ﺎﺑﻪﻟﺎﺗ ﻝﻻﻪﺟ /Celal Talebanî in Kurdish". A Google search gave some definitions for ﻰﻧ ﺎﺑﻪﻟﺎﺗ ﻝﻻﻪﺟ, though not many. I changed it to ﻰﻧ ﺎﺑﻪﻟﺎﺗ ﻝﻻﻪﺟ, it's definately a lot more accurate then ﺟﻪﻻﻝ ﺗﺎﻟﻪﺑﺎﻧﻰ.--Fox Mccloud 18:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I just realized, ﺟﻪﻻﻝ ﺗﺎﻟﻪﺑﺎﻧﻰ is ﻰﻧ ﺎﺑﻪﻟﺎﺗ ﻝﻻﻪﺟ spelled backwards, but with letter atached as if it was right.--Fox Mccloud 18:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be a compatibility problem with the Kurdish text. Whatever Microsoft Explorer shows correctly, Mozilla Firefox shows backwards, and vice-versa. This doesn't appear to happen with Arabic script. Does anyone know how to fix this?--128.139.226.37 01:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Replace it with Arabic script since it is the same script, if that doesn't work, try the Farsi modified Arabic script. --Inahet 19:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1st President?

Was it official policy of the Iraqi transitional government to start the order of presidents over again, back at one? If so, can this be mentioned (and cited) in the article? If not, Iraq has had presidents ever since the monarchy was overthrown in 1958.... Talabani would be about the ninth, I'd guess. Thanks! Fsotrain09 02:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

He is the first Kurdish President of Iraq, not the first president of Iraq.

[edit] Written by the CIA?

This page seems to be soley complimentary. To such an extreme that the author of this page has been comprimised. The page should be rewritten with a neutral view point.Clowshoes72 14:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What negative things have you heard about him? The rules on biographies of living persons tend to push them towards being favorable, but you can add negative information with good sources. Or maybe he's just a really good guy? Warren Dew 00:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The CPA-commissioned opinion poll by ICRSS (20-29 April 2004) shows Talabani's support as (11/10/-24/-50) in the categories (strongly support/somewhat support/somewhat oppose/strongly oppose). Compare with al-Sadr's (32/35/-19/-10) and Jaferi's (39/19/-12/-26). Of all the names in that opinion poll, Talabani had the biggest negative rating and the smallest positive rating. And he is, of course, president! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.231.145.254 (talk • contribs)

The problem is that most of the "nice" information is obtained only from American sources that attempt to portray most of the things that are happening in Iraq as something positive. If we have an independent source that confirms that he is indeed a "nice" guy, then the tag can be removed. Messhermit 01:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am reading the book "See No Evil" by former CIA officer Robert Baer. He has a lot in here on Talabani. He seems like a likable guy but according to this book was very much a part of the inter-Kurdish war in 1995 and also led an attempt to overthrow Saddam Hussein in 1995 and was let down by the U.S., who while supposedly favoring any overthrow of Saddam Hussein, failed to acknowledge or provide support.

I removed the following section because it is strongly POV (it reads like his resume or a tribute to him)

A politician par excellence, Mr. Talabani is a secularist and a believer in democracy, inter-ethnic harmony, equality and women’s rights. He is known for his affable personality, his love of politics and his broad minded outlook. He has defined the PUK as an internationalist party and Mr. Talabani has made a point of publishing in Arabic. A strategic thinker and believer in reconciliation, he has reached out to Turkey and to the Sunni Arab community in Iraq to build bridges. Mr. Talabani's actions have stood for progressive politics, for a society based on social democratic values with a market economy. Close to his political base, open to debate, and quick to tell a joke, he has established a close rapport with party members. His elevation to the presidency of Iraq is recognition of his fifty years of service to the cause of freedom and democracy.

Also I will add the unreferenced tag to the article since it lacks references. --Inahet 17:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] This article's source

Hi all,

The reason that this article is so complimentary towards Mr. Talabani is because it is lifted almost verbatim (with only a few deletions of excessively laudatory bits) from his biography on the official website of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. See http://www.puk.org/web/htm/about/talab.html and follow the link on the bottom to the biography's successive pages.

Not that this is necessarily a terrifically bad thing, but a citation of the Wikipedia article's less-than-neutral source might have been a good thing...

Kellan

This article is written very well. Thank you

[edit] First Picture

I changed the 'angry' picture to one that looks less emotional. Of course, the new picture has the problem of not being an actual portrait, and some random guy in the back, but I think it should stay until a decent portrait is found. The Behnam 01:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Some Random Guy? That's Donald Rumsfeld Genuis

[edit] April 7 or April 22

When did Talabani becomes the 1st State President of Iraq? I believe April 22, 2006 (sworn in before the National Assembly), should be the given date. April 7, 2005 to April 22, 2006 was a tenure as 'Provisional' or 'Transitional' President. I've made date change to the Succession box, and the Infobox (removing the 'transitionl bit' its too confusing looking). GoodDay 20:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Article, needs a second section in the Infobox, to deal with Talabani's tenure as 'interim' President: April 7, 2005 to April 22, 2006. GoodDay 20:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted all my previous edits. Talabani did in fact, become State President, on April 7th, 2005. GoodDay 21:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I NEED THE CONTACT E MAIL OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRESEDANT OF IRAQ MR JALAL ALTALABANI


[edit] Leno

Any truth to Leno's joke that he is in the United States to treat his obesity.

No... He left because it was hot

[edit] Flag

Shouldn't the president of Iraq have the Iraqi flag next to the name of his birthplace? Wareq 20:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Education

Is there any supporting reference to the statement "Regardless of all the education he received, he is still an illeterate."?

[edit] This should be removed

I'm not an expert, but sentence "As you all know, Talabanis are in war against USA and western civilization." doesn't sound very encyclopaedic. Also the "illiterate" thing in Education is probably a very funny joke .... (Vonkad 21:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Failed assassination on wife

I added this even if this only concerns his wife, since it demonstrates the immense danger and violence there: On May 4, 2008, Jalal Talabani's wife, Hiro Ibrahim Ahmed, Iraq's first lady escaped unhurt from a bomb attack in Baghdad that hit her motorcade, injuring 4 body guards, while she proceeded to the National Theater, Karrada district.[1] --Florentino floro (talk) 08:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)