User talk:JakGd1

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[edit] Hello from The Mediation Cabal

Hello Jake I'm Aeon from the Mediation Cabal. I could use a little more information such as the user who keeps posting the image, and others involved. Aeon Insane Ward 21:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I will ask him what is going on, but please understand that Medation can only work if both sides agree to it. Aeon Insane Ward 00:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Aeon1006/medcab/Beard Image Mediation I have set up a page in my user space to discuss the issue. If you would please post there with your opening statements thanks. Aeon Insane Ward 02:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something to consider

Hello, JakGd1. I noticed that you have accepted mediation by Aeon1006 and I just wanted to let you know that another user and I have interacted with him in the past, while he was an Advocate, and he did his client a huge disservice. Instead of trusting and representing his client, Aeon1006 actually took sides immediately and was clearly partisan against the party he had promised to represent! The allegations are attached. He recently resigned from the AMA, and agreed to become a mediator, for which your case is the very first that he's mediated. I just wanted to bring this to your attention, in case he decides to "take sides" again. UCRGrad 05:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Copy/pasted: I am concerned about the recent behavior of Aeon1006, a volunteer advocate of Wikipedia’s Association of Members’ Advocates (AMA).

It has come to my attention that Aeon1006 violated the trust of his client, Insert-Belltower, and acted in such a manner that was unbecoming of an advocate.

The facts of the matter are as follows:

On July 11, 2006, Aeon1006 agreed to be an advocate for Insert-Belltower, who was seeking help defending against hostile efforts of editors Amerique and WHS.

On July 12, 2006, Aeon1006 sought statements from Insert-Belltower (I-B), but strangely, also an opposing opinion’s from I-B’s direct opposition, Amerique and WHS. He did so without consulting with his client, I-B.

On July 12, 2006, Aeon1006 requested that ElKevbo bring his opinion into the discussion. ElKevbo was a party known to oppose I-B, and his testimony was in opposition to I-B’s cause.

On July 13, 2006, WHS (opposing side) complained to Aeon1006 that Insert-Belltower had made unauthorized changes to his user talk page. In response, Aeon1006 wrote “Thank you I will investigate that and notify Mackensen [admin].” Instead of advocating on behalf of his client, Aeon1006 attempted to bring charges against Insert-Belltower with the admins. In fact, he ratted out his client to this admin on his talk page.

On July 14, 2006, Aeon1006 attempted to required all editors to obey the “fairness of tone” policy in their TALK discussions. However, Aeon1006 erroneously applied WP:NPOV#Fairness_of_tone to TALK discussion, when this rule specifically applies to article content.

On July 15, 2006, Aeon1006 demanded, in a public discussion, that his own client apologize to individuals for sockpuppetry, even though I-B’s alleged sockpuppetry did not actually affec any of these particular individuals (occurred at a different time).

On July 15, 2006, Aeon1006 wrote that his client was “stubborn.”

On July 16, 2006, Aeon1006 began assisting I-B’s direct opposition, Amerique – volunteering to submit an RfC against I-B’s side of the disagreement. As an advocate, Aeon1006 had access to privileged and confidential information from I-B – Aeon1006 now violates that privileged role and has agreed to use his knowledge to support the party that originally opposed his client.

A quick read through each of Aeon1006’s statements on his desk reveals that NONE of his comments were in support of his client. About a third of them were in opposition to I-B, and another third were essentially praising I-B’s opposition. As you can see, even from day #1, (July 12), Aeon1006 failed to fulfill his duty as I-B’s advocate, despite his promise to do so. It is certainly possible that Aeon1006 did not agree with his client’s position. If that were the case, then the appropriate and responsible action, under his duty as AMA advocate, would be to let I-B know that he couldn’t represent him. Instead, Aeon1006 took actions that hurt his client’s position. Aeon1006 never gave I-B the benefit of the doubt, or discussed with him in private the best way to handle the case. A quick review of I-B’s talk page will reveal almost zero help from Aeon1006. The last straw, was when Aeon1006 took advantage of his role as confidant and privileged position as I-B’s advocate to file an RfC against I-B’s party on behalf of Amerique, I-B’s direct opposition.

All of the above can be confirmed by reading Aeon1006's talk page, where he supposedly acted as an advocate for I-B, but instead hindered him and supported his opposition instead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeon1006/AMA

REGARDLESS of whether I-B was in the right or wrong (and I believe I-B has been a valuable editor), Aeon1006’s conduct as supposed-advocate was a breach of trust and highly unprofessional. In fact, Aeon1006 would be hard pressed to demonstrate that he offered any advocacy at all, especially in the context of all the harm he did in his role. Such behavior is not consistent with the core goals and values of the Association of Member’s Advocates. Aeon1006 should not have the opportunity to violate the trust of another editor again. As such, I hereby request that Aeon1006 be removed from the AMA.

  • Hey Jake, just to give you a heads up, This user has a conduct RfC on him which will most likley go up to ArbCom. Several Editors have issues with him and two editors have posted on his talk page for him to cease Wikistalking. I'm very sorry he got you involved in his dispute. Hopefuly this will not derail the Mediation that you are in now. But if you feel that I'm able to handle the mediation then I will understand. Aeon Insane Ward 00:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Jake. My purpose was not to "derail" the mediation you have in progress, as I have no idea what your dispute is about, and I am a strong believer in the mediation process when it is appropriate. I used to also have a firm belief in the principle of advocacy, right up until I witnessed Aeon1006 turn against the client he promised to help. I wouldn't expect you to do anything differently with respect to this mediation, but I think it's important that you are aware of Aeon1006's behavior as an supposed-advocate. If you feel that you didn't want to be alerted of this, please let me know and I will apologize. Personally, I would want to know if the supposedly-neutral person I had agreed to accept mediation from had done with Aeon1006 did. UCRGrad 01:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys, I appreciate both your concerns but the mediation is now on hold and I think it's becoming rather unlikely that it will be resumed. Aeon, thanks for taking the time to begin the mediation process and, UCRGrad, I appreciate you stating your concerns. Hopefully both of you may someday be able to resolve your differences, perhaps even through mediation ;) Thanks again! JakGd1 04:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about me just let me know when you are ready to begin again. Hopefully the my issues with UCRGrad will resolve themselves in the future. I'm very sorry you got caught in the middle of this issue and hopfully you will be able to stay out of it if you wish. Again just let me know when you are ready to begin again. Kind Reguards Aeon Insane Ward 04:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aeon on Wikibreak.

Hello Jake, since the mediation is on hold, I'm taking this time to take a short wikibreak. I will be back this weekend if you all wish to continue then. Thanks! Aeon Insane Ward 22:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)