Talk:Jakarta riots of May 1998
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[edit] NPOV dispute
I am no expert on the subject, and do not feel qualified to assert whether the article is or is not biased, but i feel that it could at least use some improvement, and someone to verify the NPOV. I made one comment earlier (about one of the external links) which i felt was in fact very biased, and would be better replaced with something more neutral. I think they article would also benefit overall with some additional information and references. Any feedback or contribution would be greatly appreciated! --Keith 19:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The third external link down "ColorQ World - The Indonesian Riots" seemed biased also, and i would say does not belong here. Overall article could use an unbiased expert to review.
Why do you use "Malay Muslims" instead of just "Malays"? I don't think it's a NPOV. Anyone?
[edit] Who did it?
This wikipedia entry (per 30 sep 2005) is biased and lack further info. This wikipedia entry gives impression that the student activists are the one commiting the riot in 1998. Based on Romo Sandyawan report, the riot is committed deliberately by the indonesian military members (special task force) as way to intimidate people to suppress activism against government - and not malay muslim indonesians per se. Secondly, the wikipedia entry also gives impression that the victim of the riot is only chinese. It is not true. Non chinese are also victimised, a lot of them are burned trapped inside a burning shopping centre. Indonesians, both chinese and non chinese are victim in this riot.
[edit] responding to above statement
Where were you when the riots of May 1998 happend ???
I happend to be in Jakarta at the time of the riot, and it is a living hell for the next couple of days. The pribumi you mentioned that was also a "victim" which burned alive inside the mall are in fact the rioters who tried to loot the malls and stores.
- Still they were victim. They know nothing but everyone gone to take want they want, and they trapped. Do you think they were planning to join (or make)the riot before it? Any way some of those who burned alive are not rioter.Aditthegrat 15:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
the students who were shot dead were in fact a chinese indonesian student, and by that incident the riots ensued between the police and the students, it is true that the sporadic riots in Jakarta is deliberatly caused by the military.
This is simply a well known fact among us Indonesians.
- Elang Mulyana Lesmana (grandson of AH Nasution) and Hafidhin Royan are those students. Are they chinese-descendant? You mislead people here. Kunderemp 05:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Is there is no Reliable Source?
Is there is no reliable source? I'm pretty confused hear and read about rivalry among General.Aditthegrat 15:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chinese leaving Indonesia
to what country(ies) did they go? Thanks Hmains 04:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- My guesses would be the neighbouring countries: Singapore, Australia, and Malaysia. I also heard some moved to Northern America. A good portion also decided to migrate locally to safer regions (ie. Bali). --LittleWhisky 09:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chinese leaving Indonesia
to what country(ies) did they go? Thanks Hmains 04:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
they go singapure, china, usa (one of my relatif go there, and get the green card), hongkong, taiwan, canada.Daimond (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Witness
I am one witness of the riot. I do not participate nor being a victim, although I am a Chinese Indonesian.
This is my own experience and should not be made as reference:
I remember that day as an event close to war. Barbed wires everywhere. The streets are completely empty, only tanks and military vehicles that were in the streets. Cars and other vehicles were left burned. Buildings are marked with "Milik Pribumi" (the properties of native people). From my office window (6th stories of a bulding), I can see smokes everywhere. My office were happened to be just accross the street from the DPR (Indonesian legislative assembly) bulding, were students climed on top of the roof and make their protest. And with a monocular (owned by one of my friends), I see from nearby bulidings, the rifles of snipers are targeted to them. After that day, my office was guarded by a group of marines for nearly 1 month.
A few days after the event, I made a little tour around the city with my friends and saw many buildings was burnt down to the ground. I also heard many stories of Chinese women being raped (this stories turned out to be just an exaggeration).
This day will always be remembered by me and most of Indonesian people.
--Agus elex 2005 16:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] silent witnes
after ten years, the china town jakarta pancoran kota are very good as example as silent witness cause they time now flow diffrently than the past before the tragedy. in the past they open the shop open 12 hours a day ( from 9:00 to 21:00)right now they close more early than the past (9:00 to 18:00, or 10:00 to 17:00). this not cause they lazy but some thing change them permanetly. Daimond (talk) 07:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
