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Please discuss here Wikipedia:Duplicate_articles#J, Alren 15:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Spellings 2 "Sir" 3 Reassessment of Bose 4 Changes in infobox; please don't revert without discussion 5 Failed GA 6 In the section on his contribution's to radio, the last sentence of the second paragraph states that long waves have a greater penetrative power

[edit] Spellings

The first name should be spelt correctly in the title as "Jagadish" and not "Jagdish".

• Agree and done. Arman ^(Talk) 06:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Sir"

Could this "Sir" title prefix be properly wikified, please? Perhaps Sir#Formal styling?, or Knight#Becoming a knight, or Knight#Honorific orders, or British_honours_system#Indian_Orders? TIA.

Jerome Potts 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

uh... done. Order of the British Empire. Jerome Potts 06:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed two occurrences of 'Sir Bose' to 'Sir Jagadish'. In some English dialects the (improper) use of 'Sir Bose' would convey a slight insult, which I presume was not intended. Even though this occurs within a quotation, unless there is good reason to stick strictly to the original it seems rather more genteel to use the correct form of address. Davy p 00:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that a quotation, assuming it is accurate, should be left alone. After all, the convention on the proper usage of "Sir", as documented in Sir#Formal styling, is also subject to evolving; perhaps the quoted gentleman had his own idea on how that title should be used. Jerome Potts 19:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reassessment of Bose

I believe IEEE published a major reassessment of Bose with the conclusion that his work defintiely was prior to that of Marconi. I will try to get that reference. Meanwhile, here is something related: http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html DaveBorman 19:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's another reference: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/279/5350/476 DaveBorman 19:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes in infobox; please don't revert without discussion

I have made a few changes in the infobox consistent with Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags. Also moved the available image inside the infobox. These changes make this article consistent with other articles e.g. featured article on Rabindranath Tagore. These edits were reverted without any explanation once. So, I request anyone, not agreeing with the changes, to please discuss concerns here.

Please read "Don't Overuse flags" once more . And also from that - "Do not rewrite history

Flags should not be used to misrepresent the nationality of a historical figure, event, object, ... " -Bharatveer 08:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all, if your concern is only about flags, then please change the flags only, why are you moving the image down? Isn't the image better placed inside the infobox, right at the beginning of article? For almost all featured biography articles, the best available image has been used inside the infobox. Secondly, Bose was legally a citizen of British India. He was born as a British Indian and he died as such. Claiming him either Indian or Bangladeshi is indeed an attempt to rewrite history. So, I am changing back nationality and image positioning. However, this time I'm not using any flags. Arman Aziz 09:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Bharatveer (talk · contribs) continues to add "Indian" (linking to Republic of India's article) as Bose's nationality. Actually, unless one went back in time and changed history, Republic of India exists only after 1947. Before which, it was "British India", and citizens of the place were called "British Indian"s, which was also printed on their passports.

Of course, if Bharatveer wants to link to "India" (the republic), I will be happy to claim that Bose was a "Bangladeshi" national too, under whatever logic BV has. Otherwise, I'd like to see why a person having "British India"n passport, living in "British India" can't be termed as such. --Ragib 16:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

This article needs a lot of improvement to reach GA. At the moment, it has prose, referencing and POV/peacock/weasel issues

• There are many sentences which have quite major problems: "female students were not accepted in the college then" and "the failure of some of the indigenous ventures of his father had failed" and "repaying the father's debts" should be " repaying the debts of Bose's father" and "She went to Madras in 1882 on Bengal government scholarship". That's a sample from the short marriage paragraph. "In 1887, he was married to Abala" - > "In 1887, he married Abala" Y Done
• Wavelength should be one word Y Done
• Dates are usually wikilinked Y Done
• "close to octaves of visible light" - why is this there? 5mm = 5,000,000 nm. The longest visible light is about 700nm, about 7000 times shorter. 2^13=8192, so it is about 13 octaves away, so the wording "close" does not appear accurate Y Done
• "By the end of 1895, Bose ranked high among Hertz’s successors" - peacock/weasel term. What is this ranking in terms of? Y Done
• Some POVs are not attributed to the commentator, but simply reproduced, as though it was WP's POV "J.C. Bose was at least this much ahead of his time" .The article some times uses "J.C. Bose" and sometimes just Bose. Consistency is required."It appears that Bose's demonstration of remote wireless signalling has priority over Marconi" needs attribution to a commentatorY Done
• Many peacock terms. "dire straits" and "the failure of some of the indigenous ventures of his father" - these need to be spelt out with examples, rather than just asserting and generalising.Y Done
• POV imported directly from books "Nobody expected to be favoured with a research laboratory or research grant. Bose was not a person to quarrel with circumstances but confronted them and dominated over them." - examples of what he did is better than asserting that he overcame a lot.Y Done
• "After his daily grind, which he of course performed with great conscientiousness, he carried out his research far into the night, in a small room in his college." - not attributedY Done
• "He was also known as an excellent teacher who believed in the use of classroom demonstrations" - source required.Y Done
• "his lofty character" is stated as hard fact
• Contractions need to be eliminated
• Assertion about father of Bengali Sci fi not sourced
• In the lead, the view of one Dr. Sen is taken to speak for all scholars
• "With remarkable sense of self respect and national pride he decided on a new form of protest." - POv commentary
• "The 'CP theory', proposed by Canny in 1995, validates this skepticism" - A theory cannot validate another theory. Only experiments can
• Lower half of the article is not sourced
• one of hte problems is that a large part of the article, especially the qualitative info, is sourced to the "Ministry of Information" of India which is a PR department and would talk up the achievements. One of the effects is that "patriotic POV" is being imported into the article. This is most evident the paragraphs cited to 7 and 11, which have many sweeping peacock statements praising his character. Bose is very famous and a lot has been written about him from the scientific community worldwide. At the moment the article is dominated by Indian/Bengali lobby group sources and the article is verging into hagiography.
• Publications and references need to be cleaned up and formatted consistently.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In the section on his contribution's to radio, the last sentence of the second paragraph states that long waves have a greater penetrative power

He knew that long waves were advantageous because of their great penetrative power but realised their disadvantages for studying the light like-properties of those electric waves.

This directly goes against the common scientific understanding that shorter waves have greater penetrative power, while long waves travel longer distances.

This phenomena is used for doctor's x-rays and is stated Ian's Hickson's Electromagnetic Spectrum website http://academia.hixie.ch/bath/em/home.html

if for some reason my understanding of the penetrating power of waves is incorrect. I would like to see a correction in the langauged used to describe "greater penetrative power" of the "long waves".

I agree to this observation. I believe author intended to refer to the greater carrying power of long wave-length, not their penetrative power. I have removed the questionable statement about long waves having greater penetrative power from the article. Arman ^(Talk) 05:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)