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[edit] Jèrriais

Bouônjour! Yes, it is me skulking here under my nom-d'plieunme. As regards the Babel templates, I've edited, and would suggest the following for the various levels:

  1. Chutte pèrsonne né pâle pon l'Jèrriais.
  2. Chutte pèrsonne pâle un mio d'Jèrriais.
  3. Chutte pèrsonne pâle un tas d'Jèrriais.
  4. Chutte pèrsonne a l'filet bein copé en Jèrriais.
  5. Chutte pèrsonne a tréjous pâlé l'Jèrriais.

Although I'd prefer ch't'î-chîn to chutte pèrsonne which sounds a little unnatural to me.

Man vyi 10:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Norman Wikipedia

Re: discussion of Norman wiki - it's not been extensive, just the odd mention around the place. Try fr:Utilisateur:Hégésippe_Cormier and fr:Utilisateur:Fitzwarin Man vyi 17:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I've added some text to the test page. I'm hoping to get L'Office du Jèrriais and members of La Section de la langue Jèrriaise on board for the project - it'll be easier now the Eisteddfod is over. Man vyi 07:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I've used livre d'bord, meaning a ship's log book, to refer to the meta-navigation. Best way I could think of the describe it. And yes, "toolbox". Man vyi 07:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Bouônjour! Where are we with the progress on the Norman wiki? Now everyone's back to work in the schools and colleges, I could start prodding some people - but if there's any likelihood that we're going to start going "live", then it probably wouldn't be worth having people piling into the testéthie at this point (and we shouldn't be creating many more articles anyway in test mode, I gather). Tch'est qu'tu'en pense? Man vyi 08:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

It's finally there, the Norman Wikipedia, along with 13 other Wikipedias! Caesarion 13:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, la fîn du temps f'tha tout vaie! The first task is to finish moving over the articles from the ouitchi-test. The interface needs translating, and perhaps we might get on with creating stubs for countries with the infobox. And I suggest you might consider C'valyi d'Jade or, if you prefer the alliteration, J'vaûcheux d'Jade (but which is really more Jade Rider). Man vyi 19:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
The Norwegians ended up splitting into nn: and no:. The Scots wiki is interesting as well - I've been lurking there recently. Without having enough articles in anything other than Jèrriais, it's difficult to try out solutions and come to a consensus. We'll see. Man vyi 12:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Hello. I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your response here. It was a pleasure to read such a well expressed summary. And thank you for introducing me to Jèrriais, a language I am ashamed to say I had never heard of before. JackofOz 08:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cymru am byth!

Da iawn, Jade Knight! Wyt ti'n gwybod am y Welsh Wikipedians' notice board? Croeso mawr i ti yno. Rhion 07:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad article

We have extensive references for the life; see the bottom of the article. We just don't reference each and every assertion, which would make the article unwieldy and ugly. Please remove your "unreferenced" tab; I don't think that it is deserved.

I have forty-two books on early Islam on my shelves (and stacked up by the computer, by the bed, on the bed, etc.), not to mention the books I consult through my online Questia account. I don't have the time or energy to vet all the Islam-related articles, some of which are DIRE, but the Muhammad article is well-researched. Zora 23:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quiet and reasonable reply to my admittedly cranky complaint. I see what you mean about references. It's just that -- the main outlines of the story are repeated in so many books that it would be hard to decide which one to cite. That involves picking one or two sources over others, which could be divisive. I'd favor Watt myself, but others could differ. If we include all the better-known sources, we could have a string of ten numbers after each sentence.
I'm too often cranky on WP because I'm trying to do too much, and I'm tired. Sorry if I snapped at you. Zora 01:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The Qu'ran has very little of any use for a biography of Muhammad. The hadith are late and actually unreliable. Montgomery Watt, who wrote Muhammad at Mecca and Muhammad at Medina, used the sira literature: Ibn Ishaq, Tabari, Waqidi, and Ibn Sa'd. Ibn Ishaq has been translated into English by Guillaume, and Tabari in a beautiful but expensive multi-volume edition by SUNY Press, in New York. Guillaume did his work in French first, I think, if that's easier for you. Waqidi hasn't been translated into English, and only parts of Ibn Sa'd are available in English, in worshipful editions from Islamic presses. These authors may be more available in French. (Actually, I should check; I can read French, if not as easily as English.) Get Watt and Ibn Warraq on The Quest for the Historical Muhammad, and then get hold of a book I'm still reading,

Motzki, Harald, ed. (2000). The Biography of Muhammad: The Issue of the Sources, in Islamic History and Civilization: Studies and Texts, Vol. 32. E. J. Brill

That would be the latest hottest stuff that I can access. I can't get to most of the journals, as they (mostly) aren't available online unless you have JSTOR subscription (which I don't). The Motzki would be from Brill, which charges ridiculous prices for their books. You can read it for $15 a month from Questia, an online academic library, which is hit-or-miss but better than nothing. Also check out the Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition, also by Brill, also ridiculously expensive ... unless you're rich, you'd have to find a library that had it.

Hope that helps. Use Wikipedia email if you want to talk to me about your project; I also happen to know something about Joseph Smith. However, I'll say right away that I think it's a bad comparison. Joseph Smith I believe to have been a knowing con-man; Muhammad at least believed what he was saying. If you're LDS, well, too bad, but that's what I see. Muhammad has more often been compared to Genghis Khan, without the extreme cruelty. Common phenomenon: nomads just on the edge of settled territory get organized enough (briefly) to sweep the agricultural lands before being absorbed and domesticated. Zora 02:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longsword

Hello again! I've made a few big changes (actually one huge change) to the longsword article. If you have time, I'd like you to give it a look over. Feel free to make changes or (if the article were to be so lucky) add more information or citations. Thanks! - xiliquiernTalk 18:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I am "Jade Knight" at Commons.

(To confirm identity)

[edit] My "write-up"

Hi. Thanks for your comment on my write-up. That is waaay not "ready for prime-time" but I make it available as a stop-gap in the interest of Scientologists as I was heavily targeted when I got here and I would like to spare them some grief if I can. I did start an outline at [[1]]. I hope to put something more formal together soon. --Justanother 16:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption request

I lay my sword at your feet, O most honorable knight. I regret that this particular quest which I beseech thee to undertake may prove to be even more difficult than finding the Holy Grail, as I'm about as dense as your average neutron star. I am however heartily encouraged by the fact that you indicate an interest in Religion and Religious history, which are probably going to be my two biggest fields of attention as well. I hope that I won't be too much of a burden on you, but I think that, particularly if I do try to really be of any assistance regarding the Vital articles, I might need a lot of help, particularly in trying to determine who to contact regarding specific matters. If you're willing to deal with a jerk like me, though, I would definitely appreciate any help. John Carter 15:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Languages, Norman and something else

Hi Jade Knight, sorry to barge like this, but yeah, I'd love to learn Norman! If your willing to teach. Also welsh. Thanks! Think outside the box 12:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for responding! Sorry I was so short in my first message; didn't really have much time (libary computers, ugh!). I'm in time zone +0 in the uk right now. Other language experience? Not much; I spent a long time learning french in school but at the time I wasn't motivated so I have the language ability of a two year old (or worse). Je parle peu francais. Que diriez vous de quelques escargots? I know a bit of german, mainly from history class and I'm very keen to learn Icelandic so I know some of that. But to be frank, no. I have no language experience. Norman seems a nice language to learn, do you teach any others? Thanks for taking me on board! Unfortunatly I don't have an Instant Messaging client because I have no internet at home. I have access every day to the net so can keep up to date from verious places but as its not my computer they get kinda weird about you installing stuff. Hope thats not a problem. Thanks again! Think outside the box 11:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
How do I send email in wikipedia? Think outside the box 11:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
actually on sceond though I'm not allowed email either. I'll get baned if i'm not doing "college work". wikipedia is ok 'cause its just a load of text and they don't have time to read it, but email logos stick out like flames at oil rigs. anyway, sorry about that, but thanks again for trying. maybe in the future if your still willing i can try agian. Think outside the box 12:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption, Norman

Hi Jade Knight. Thanks for all the help you have given me in response to my question. Norman sounds very interesting, but which course would I follow with it? I haven't been able to find any available courses on the internet. The other languages you recommended sound interesting as well, such as Swahili. I would like to be adopted by you, and Norman sounds very interesting. So, how would I learn it, and what progression would I follow? That is really the only concern I have about the language. Thanks again, and hope to hear from you soon.

MAP91 00:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Mike

Jade Knight,

I think I've decided to learn Norwegian at the current time, as well as take Norman slow. Norwegian will be more accesible to me at this point. I will go on and learn Norman as well, but take it slower than Norwegian. If you still would like to adopt me, I would be delighted to be your adoptee, and maybe learn the basics of Norman at the same time. I wouldn't mind taking it slow and steady! You can post details on my talk page. Looking forward to the language.

Thanks again! MAP91 00:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Mike

[edit] Adoption, Jèrriais

OK Jade Knight, thanks for adopting me. I think Jèrriais is the way to go for me, after reviewing the details about each dialect. I think that learning materials from you would be excellent regarding learning. I can also use instant messaging. Would you be able to make a short introduction sheet for me, if you were already going to do it? I am not in a rush, and as you said, it will get you started on the course anyway. For now, I am going to go over the various internet resources there are for Jèrriais. Thanks.

MAP91 01:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Mike

[edit] Adoption, Sankyparikh

Hi Jade Knight, Thanks a ton for offering to adopt me. I am glad that I finally got someone who can guide me with wikipedia, which I think is really terrific. At present I am in the middle of shifting from Bangalore to Ahmedabad, so I would be glad if you could give me some time before we get started. I should be in Ahemadabad next week and then can start off with my learning process. Thanks. Sankyparikh 16:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Library stats

Thanks for inciting me to adjust this, though it took a while to get it right. I think i have worded the info in the 3 affected pages correctly; If you think there's a better way of expressing it, , lets talk first on the library article talk page, because there are a number of pages needing change, and Im not sure I got them all. I've also put a longer note and a table on the Library talk page. The students are always unhappy when I give a class on this stuff. DGG 01:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Right Justification

Ok Michael,

Thanks for the justification help. The page looks much more organized now, and I understand how to do it for next time. I will download AIM, and then we can use that.

MAP91 15:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Mike


[edit] Les Pages Jèrriaises

A tag has been placed on Les Pages Jèrriaises, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Bmg916 Speak to Me 01:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protocol question

I note that someone who proposed many of the proposed projects on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals page has seemingly retired from wikipedia. If any of those proposals get enough interest to become active, there might be a problem in finding someone to "activate" them. Do you have any idea what sort of action would be best to take in cases like that? John Carter 14:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hildegard

Jade, I set Hildegard's WP Saints importance back to "mid." However, I agree with you comments, and set the WP Biography priority level to "Top". I agree that H is importance, but within the Saints field, "mid" is a better desciption. If you have any questions, drop me a note. -- Pastordavid 23:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jèrriais

Oui-dja, j'pâle un mio d'Jèrriais! J'tais en Jerri i' y a deux ans et j'acatis lé livre d'Paul Birt- et j'm'insîngne d'pis. But, somewhat badly, I have to admit. Et té? Lle wyt ti'n dysgu dy Gymraeg di? Dewrad 01:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

My apologies, you are correct. However, I think that TheBenham's edits were reverting POV-pushing, which is to be considered for the the good of WP, don't you think? :) Arcayne 02:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BYU and its lack of a Greek system and Spring Break

Jade, I think that BYU's lack of Greek life and Spring Break really set it apart from other American universities, so much so that it is very informative for a BYU outsider to learn that BYU doesn't have these aspects of college life. I think this info is so informative that it should be included at the beginning of the BYU article, not buried deep where most people probably won't read. Remember, our goal should be to inform outsiders about BYU. What do you think? JackWilliams 21:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SALUT!!

salut!! Je parle francaise aussi! Just a little though, it is my first year. Can you visit my page and comment on it? I want some advice on making it more catchy, and I like the set up of yours. I am not a new user. Read my little sandboxes like LongRiver Ledger and NEOPETSetc. and comment MAINLY on those please! THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE!! PLEASE VISIT AND COMMENT!! thanx!! (saw u on normandy page) BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 21:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry! :(

im really sorry about the userpage thing. I do need help aligning! Oh yeah, I DID NOT copy and paste messages on different users, I just wanted people to visit it and see all my hard work! You don't understand cuz you are pretty popular on wiki, but I am not. Think back to when u were new on wiki!! But I do need some help, and would you be so kind as to give me some?? That would be great!!BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 00:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] criticism

the page is a little boring! *snore*BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 00:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks!

good morning!

just wanted to thank you for your friendly welcome, and for tagging the YPU and Lizzie articles so I knew to work on it. I'm slowly accruing references for the YPU one. (:

Best,

-Paul Vivisel 13:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LFN

Hi, sorry for the late reply. I was in Taiwan and then my computer broke down there, took a few days to fix and I kind of lost track of everything I was working on, that I'm now just starting to remember. Yes, LFN is doing quite well with its own wiki but we're not exactly sure when to apply for a Wikipedia. Since it's one of the newest IALs there is we're a bit hesitant to do so if it would seem premature, and in the meantime it's easy enough to just write away on the one we have. The big bonus to transferring to Wikipedia of course would be the collaboration we might get from other users here that are interested in IALs, and the extra exposure for the language itself. Any advice on when we should try applying? We're thinking about having 1000 pages first, but we're avoiding anything that looks like it was made by a bot, so progress is slow but steady. Mithridates 16:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You NOT serving a mission in France

OK, so I was wrong in presuming that you served a mission in France. En fait, je fus missionnaire en France. In any event, your language experience is truly admirable. However, it's unique. I don't have any hard statistics about people enrolling in foreign language classes at BYU. So I don't know if most foreign language classes contain students studying their mission languages. But I think that the mission experience certainly persuades BYU students to take foreign language classes. For example, people who serve French-speaking missions can get 16 hours of French credit by taking some tests AND enrolling in an advanced grammar class (I can't remember the exact class number, I think it's French 321). Also, I think the language aspect of missions encourage people to minor in their mission languages. I also think that the whole mission language thing makes people at BYU foreign-language minded, encouraging them to take Portuguese after they had learned Spanish, for example. People think more about foreign languages at BYU than they would if they were at a school where people didn't serve foreign-speaking missions.

I don't know a lot about BYU's foreign language program as a whole. I'm sure it's really great, and I'm sure it compares favorably to other programs at other universities in the United States. However, I'm not sure BYU's foreign-language education program is light years ahead of the best of the best in the USA. If it's way better than any other American school's foreign language program (including those at all of the Ivies and the public Ivies), then maybe something about it should be mentioned in the lead section.

However, there's a good chance that a random male BYU student might speak very impressive (thought not fluent) Spanish. And if he doesn't, then he very well may speak respectable (but again, not fluent) Portuguese, French, German, or Tagalog. Even if he is an Accounting major. And that, my friend Jade Knight, is extremely unique. I think it's a safe bet that you won't find that at any other school in the US, not even Harvard or Yale. So it MUST be in the lead section. And it's a direct result of the foreign-language speaking missions. However, I would not be surprise if Yale's overall foreign language program blows BYU's out of the water. If not Yale, then maybe Stanford's or Harvard's. Or maybe all three. You tell me (and be honest-- don't fall prey to academic boosterism for BYU); you're the linguist.

And by the way, the mission experience MUST be mentioned in the lead section. Yes, it snows at BYU. But that doesn't set BYU apart from other universities. BYU's institutional identity is strongly influenced by the fact that a majority of the male students become Mormon missionaries after their freshman years.

Amicalement, JackWilliams 09:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the numerous edits. You're right, a lot of girls take foreign language classes at BYU. (And not a lot of them serve / have served missions). But I don't think foreign language class enrollment numbers set BYU apart. (Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe BYU's foreign language class enrollment numbers far exceed those at any other university in both sheer numbers and percentages, and if they do, then they would perhaps merit mention in the lead). What sets BYU apart is the widespread semi-fluency in Spanish, Portuguese, German, French and Tagalog. JackWilliams 10:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ADOPT input

Hello, Jade Knight. The Adopt-a-User program is looking for new ideas and input on the program. If you are still interested please stop by the talk page and read some of the ideas being floated and give a comment. If you want to update or change your information on the adopter's list page, now would be a great time! Thanks! V60 干什么？ · VDemolitions 03:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] ARMA Article

Please take a look at the ARMA article. Once more it is being edited by someone who appears to just want to take some shots at ARMA and John Clements. I don't want to get into another editing tug-of-war but it is hard to stand on the side as another ARMA-hater dances around the flames.Ranp 15:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Please take a look at the changes I made to the ARMA article. There is no longer any justification for the weasel tag.Ranp 15:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it seems that tags are the new way to vandalize the ARMA article. Please take a look.Ranp 20:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Smith, Jr. section of the First Vision article.

I deleted some material this morning. I noticed that you had just made a number of edits in this section and wanted to explain why I did this. 74s181 12:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

John Foxe opened the door for some cleanup when he said "Or maybe I just don't want to see an article about the First Vision cluttered with material better discussed elsewhere." (see Talk:First_Vision#Persecution). I added a section to discuss what is and what is not apppropriate for the Joseph Smith, Jr. section (Talk:First_Vision#Joseph_Smith_is_the_.27who.27_of_the_First_Vision_but_is_well_covered_elsewhere). This morning I had a thought, is this 'faculty of abrac' stuff discussed anywhere else? Like, in the JS, Jr. article, or the LMS article? Well, it isn't. So I removed it, and while I was at it, I removed several other things that I thought were not relevant to the 14 year old Joseph Smith, Jr., the 'who' of the First Vision. 74s181 12:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

So, nothing personal, I appreciate your effort in trying to fix the 'faculty of abrac', etc., but better to just delete it, I think. 74s181 12:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course, John Foxe will probably just restore it. It will be interesting to see which version he restores, eh? 74s181 12:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] speedy

Thanks for the support at Deletion Review. It's getting to look like the only way to improve adherence to the rules is to remind people every time. And the rules make sense--the articles not covered are often much trickier to judge. DGG 23:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Vision - time for action

I appreciate the efforts of Visorstuff to resolve the situation at First Vision. I now understand that he was hampered by his past involvement in this article and with John Foxe. No one is editing the article right now, but I believe that John Foxe's comments on the talk page demonstrate that he either cannot understand or refuses to comply with the WP:NPOV policy. I'm trying to gain a consensus on his inappropriate behavior, and I invite you, as a past contributor to this article, to add your comments to this discussion. If you think that my behavior also warrants criticism, I invite that as well. I will be posting this invitation on several other user talk pages, but with your past history on this article you might be aware of other editors who have walked away. Please feel free to let them know what is going on and invite their input at Talk:First_Vision#Time_for_action. 74s181 13:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Into the Labyrinth languages

Answered your 2006 question on Talk:Into the Labyrinth (album) and developed some of the topic on the article page. Cheers -- 62.147.38.12 11:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martial arts

Sorry about that was trying not to uncapatlise names but know I missed a few --Nate1481( t/c) 08:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFM - First Vision

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/First Vision, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

Hi Jade..

sorry for the delay in responding.. coz i been a bit offline .. and the trying to figure out how to respond to your adopting message...

i seriously wud like to learn more abut wiki.. and get to use it..

Sanket

[edit] 3RR rule violation

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors.

Jade, please be careful and limit your reverts on the First Vision page to two; it is best to stay as far away from multiple reverts as possible with John Foxe. Even if his reverts stay for an longer period it is of little consequence. This warning is posted to ensure neutrality among all editors of this specific article. --Storm Rider (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jade, I feared you would take offense; however, I will apply warning templates fairly to those editors who demonstrate a need for the caution. Your reverted three times; thoug I feel the reverts were appropriate, you need to be cautions in being the one making the reverts. Allow others to assist in monitoring the article and the actions of a single, recalcitrant editor.
If I do not apply warnings in a neutral manner, then those warnings I place in an unfair manner would not be of assistance as warnings evolve into formal discipline. You will note that I not only warned John of his actions, but I also reported his actions to the admin board for a violaitns of the 3RR. --Storm Rider (talk) 03:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I got it, but I find when in there are disagreements and the potential for blocking is high, I try to step strictly by the rules. I generally find that the application of consequences is less than consistent. Some editors are blocked for almost nothing while other editors are hardly ever blocked; it is as if you need to twist an admin's arm just to apply the rules in a neutral manner. When some one wants to give more rope to an editor it seems like it turns into an endless supply and meanwhile the article in question suffers. The current situation has gotten silly and something needs to be done. I would ask you to bear with my cautious actions and understand that I do not edit to offend, but to ensure the improvement of Wikipedia articles. The diplomatic path is longer, time-consuming, and often endlessly frustrating, but hopefully it results in a better Wikipedia for all of us. --Storm Rider (talk) 04:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Request for Arbitration - First Vision

I have submitted a request for arbitration with the Arbitration Committee. You are listed as a party. The arbitration process requires that all parties listed in an arbitration request must be notified. You have an opportunity to comment on the request at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration. 74s181 02:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unusual Adoption Request

Hi! Im an English teacher in Toluca Mexico (west of Mexico City). My Advanced B classes will be contributing to Wikipedia as the focus of their English course for Fall 2007. I am looking for people who would like to mentor my students (who will be working in groups) as they do the following assignments: Edit and article (adding a citation), writing a stub with a citation, translating an English language article for Spanish Wikipedia and for the final project, writing a full article for English Wiki (they can expand on the stub mentioned previously). What I would like to do is put a list of "mentors/adopters" on my talk page as a kind of short cut for my students, who have limited time to get things done. The semester begings Aug 6, but the real Wikipedia work wont begin until the beginning of Sept. If you would like to add your name to my list, please go to my talk page and add it there, perhaps with a short introduction, if you like.

Thank you!

Thelmadatter 20:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter


[edit] editing Temple Lot

I get the impression you meant no harm, but the correction you made from the 'external link' which you simultaneously added is...incorrect. This is not surprising because the external link you added is largely unfactual, and the newspaper report there (which is web-published without permission) is largely an exercise in publishing slanderous allegations, not fact. Please do not add it again to a Wikipedia article. To make a long story short, the whole topic of the 'Temple Lot'--like other aspects of Mormonism in specific or religion in general-- is a 'can of worms'....to where it is not advisable to make quick, cursory edits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons "We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm." Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid..." 69.149.223.55 16:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Well said, when you wrote on my talk page--

"I appreciate your concern, but a reference (unless it can be demonstrably proven to be unreliable, or is otherwise categorically (and thus demonstrably) unreliable according to Wikipedia policy) must be accepted over no reference at all. If you have a more correct reference, include it. Otherwise, the other reference must be accepted, or the entire issue should be removed." 28 July 2007

However, the reference CAN be demonstrably proven to be unreliable and is categorically (and demonstrably) unreliable according to Wikipedia policy, part of which I excerpted above. The Times report for example is unusually shoddy 'reporting.' The protestor's followup remarks at the external link you provide are not comprehensive enough to balance out the unreliability of the media reports also contained there. The "information" you link to still constitutes libel, in violation of Wikipedia policy regarding 'living persons.' 69.149.223.55 22:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: I have a registered username, and have edited many articles in the past several years. I prefer not to engage in religious (or political) controversies under that username. 69.149.223.55 01:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow garden spider

I have trimmed vast swathes of...stuff...from this article. Take a look and see if you think the "inappropriate tone" tag could be removed from it. Clearly, it still needs more work on organization, sourcing, etc., but I think I removed most of the super-casual breezy tone. Joyous! | Talk 21:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Interesting, what comes out of your mouth

I thought you might be interested to know that User:Piledoggie has changed your comments on his talk page: [2] The Jade Knight 02:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. The Jade Knight 02:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, I saw he edited my comments, but couldn't be bothered playing these games with him. Owen× ☎ 03:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I see that neither of you can be bothered with complying with what is probably the strictest Wikipedia guideline of all. What a couple of amateurs! As promised, this goes to the next step. 69.154.18.251 03:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


This is your last warning.
The next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced defamatory content into an article, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.


'Jade Knight,'If you have already decided to not keep adding the disputed citation, then you may disregard this warning. 69.154.18.251 04:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Apologies (sort of), that I only just now saw your discussion at the talk page for the disputed article. WP:BLP clearly states we're not to discuss BLP disputes on 'talk pages' or even 'user pages' such as this one, is why I state things in a generalized manner....and that is also why I was unpleasantly suprised to see you and several others openly discussing the BLP violation at that Talk Page.

But I was PLEASANTLY surprised to see the last thing you wrote there:

"If the anonymous user chooses to place requestion for mediation, I will certain agree to it...." The Jade Knight 17:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I had assumed that since you have been so unreasonable thus far, that mediation would not accomplish anything, and I also assume the same as you do when you wrote "...I expect that when the protection expires this article will return to being an edit warzone..."

Mediation in regards to a BLP violation is only workable if it is private...otherwise, it ends up publicly posting information and citations to the libelous material. I did visit the 'mediation' pages today, and have to admit, I wasn't sure exactly how to proceed. Is it up to me to start the process, and then invite you (and others)? Or can you do that? If you can, then feel free, I'll respond in the affirmative if I get a request to join mediation.

Perhaps I should email you, and you email me back. Then we can "mediate" our differences in private, and agree to what portions of our thinking should be made public.

Wikipedia and also myself are being "dragged through the mud" by a complicated and delicate controversy. And by now, you also feel you're being besmirched. Piledoggie 21:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I added a comment after yours at User_talk:Somitho And now I'm going to catch some z's. Good night everybody! : ) Piledoggie 01:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, I am not the one to mediate this case unfortunately. So I am not sure if this taking place on my talk page is the best course of action. At this point OTRS has no further involvement unless it is requested. Somitho 11:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BLP

It seems to me like you don't understand what WP:BLP is about. I understand that you seem upset over this, and you may feel you need to act the way you have to defend yourself. I'd really like to help you to understand WP:BLP, but you need to calm down and engage in discussion. Try to remove yourself from the situation (emotionally), discuss the matter on the CoC(TL) talk page. If you have any questions about WP:BLP, I'll be happy to answer them. I don't bite, really. I've tried to explain how you're misconstruing WP:BLP, but I don't seem to be getting the message across. How can I explain WP:BLP to you in a way that is easier to understand? The Jade Knight 22:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I appreciate the tone our discussion is taking, at my userpage. Just wanted to make sure you see the latest, & thanks for your time. I guess for now, the hell with it. I mean...tomorrow's another day. In 1990, nobody knew the internet would come along and then broadcast obscure and libelous or potentially libelous material as if it happened yesterday. Piledoggie 23:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piledoggie

I have seen this, sorry I hadn't thought to check whether you had been advised. To put it simply, Piledoggie is not getting the response he wants by using the WP processes. Since you have been acting according to the rules and guidelines I should think you are fine. Remember, vandalism is vandalism is vandalism; remove examples violating NPA, issue warnings and report the abuser to AIV. My own personal opinion, seeing how involved Piledoggie is, is that he is the person concerned in the links... It doesn't matter, though, and if he continues to act inappropriately then he is likely to end up blocked. In this instance, and since I have already interacted, it will have to be another admin. I hope this reassures you. LessHeard vanU 12:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the BLP noticeboard all three (or perhaps four) requests have been "historic"ed - they are the ones with URGENT as part of the title - so it appears that a) there is no case to answer, and b) Piledoggie doesn't agree. If there is any more trouble just treat it as trolling/vandalism. LessHeard vanU 13:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Tetiaroa

Greetings. I saw that you changed my correction on the Tetiaroa page. My family has spent the summers on the atoll almost every year from 1978-1998 and my father was good friends with Marlon. Marlon did in fact purchase the atoll from Williams' blind daughter. She lived on Rimatuu and followed clotheslines stretched along the beach and through her property on that island. I have details if you're interested, but it is widely and wrongly reported that Brando leased the island. This belief is probably from the current law that says foreigners can only lease land for 99 years, but at that time it was not the case. Now that he's dead and the family did some sort of horrible deal with a major hotel chain, the stories are back and forth, but what is certain is this fragile paradise will be lost. Chris

[edit] "Bad" as a noun

On the Ref Desk (Language), in response to my question about the expression "my bad", you made a comment that "bad" is a noun in some dialects. I don't pretend any expertise in English dialects, so it is not surprising, perhaps, that I can't seem to get mind or tongue around the concept. I'd be grateful for a few examples, if you have them. Thanks. Bielle 17:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the examples. I would have thought that phrases like "the bad in him" were elliptical, and that "bad" remained an adjective for a missing noun. As I said, though, I am not an expert. Bielle 01:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BYU lead

There is a discussion going on at BYU's page about the lead. Since you took part in the last one, I thought you may want to have a part in this one. Let's work together to knock out a good, solid opening. Thanks, Wrad 03:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brigham Young University Wikiproject

This new wikiproject has been proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Brigham Young University. Please sign up in order to improve the quality of BYU related articles on wikipedia, including BYU-Idaho and BYU-Hawaii. Thanks. Wrad 01:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Submitted WP:RfC on John Foxe

For more info, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/John Foxe.

One other person needs to certify the RfC within 48 hours or it will be deleted. More information 74s181 06:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sippe (or Geschlecht)

Hello Michael,

I am wondering if you have more information about the functions of a Sippe, particularly the forest comment on the article. Any books or online references in this regard? I can be contacted via marcus_3379 at yahoo dot com. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.121.117 (talk) 10:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

The Adopt-a-User Barnstar
Sir, for offering a hand to an apparently delusional psycho who seems to think that he's Tarzan's kid brother or something, and offering your help to that individual when he requested it, you demonstrated a willingness to put yourself out on a limb to help others. It is my sincerest hope that you never come to regret that act. John Carter (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I regret to say that I haven't actually written much to date, what with the various other things I find popping up, but I intend to, if these distractions ever disappear. One of them right now is the nascent Wikipedia:Accessibility advocates page. It looks like if I'm to be of any use there, I will have to be at least theoretically eligible to adopt others, which means I have to withdraw from the adoptee program. Thank you again for showing a noob some kindness; I only hope that when the situation arises, I will prove up to the task myself. John Carter (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Temple Lot name suppression

It's possible you may want to forget about the whole "Jordan Smith" issue on Church of Christ (Temple Lot), but I noticed you were involved in the past in it. It seems to be flaring up again, this time mostly at Temple Lot. The person who was at various anon addresses before now seems to be using User:CH 82 and possibly User:Ftr (for the record). Just thought you might like to know. Snocrates 01:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your comments and don't blame your reluctance in getting involved. It's very tiring sometimes trying to work with editors who insist on doing autobiographical-related edits. I thought it looked like he had a history of removing information when I looked at the history pages of Church of Christ (Temple Lot). Cheers :) Snocrates 09:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Help!

Hi Michael,

Would you be able to help me a little bit with my user page? I don't know what I did wrong, but for some reason the text is in the same box as the userboxes! I guess that's what I get for trying to figure it out myself :). Could you please explain what you did to fix it, and what all those <> with letters in them mean? Also, I don't know how to get rid of that grey rectangular box under the yellow info bar. Would you be able to delete it for me? Thanks a lot!

Mike MAP91 (talk) 02:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Maps

Hi. Sorry for not answering you until now, I was quite busy with real life. I use Inkscape, a program similar to CorelDraw to create my maps. You can download it for free. Just search for Inkscape on Google and you'll find their website.

Andrei nacu (talk) 11:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User-jer

It appears as if that Wikipedia is the Norman language Wikipedia, not one specifically for Jèrriais. Therefore, IMO we only need a category for those who speak the Norman language in general, not one for whatever dialects may be represented on that Wikipedia. If they are similar enough to be contained in the same Wikipedia, then they don't need their own category. VegaDark (talk) 21:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if Jèrriais ever gets its own Wikipedia, you would have my support for re-creation of the category. Until then, though, I must defer my judgment to those who decided it should be grouped in the Norman language one. VegaDark (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Jèrriais

Please see my response here. Thanks, Black Falcon (Talk) 18:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

And again... (sorry for the delay in responding, by the way -- I had not noticed your response until now). Black Falcon (Talk) 19:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user

Caution There is currently a backlog of 54 users at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user. Please consider offering adoption to one or more of these users. Don't forget to change their {{adoptme}} template to {{adoptoffer|Jade Knight}}. Thank you for your continued participation in Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. xenocidic (talk) 19:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)