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Hi,

             I'm the poster/writer of the jaculus article. 
      I didn't infringe on any copywrights. It is an original work by me.

Contents 1 Edit 1.0 and 1.1 made by myself 2 Page reliability issues 3 Rodent genus 4 2nd Reference

[edit] Edit 1.0 and 1.1 made by myself

Hi I'm the one that edited the article, because it really was pretty "in-universe" (Quote: "In actuality, it probably was a snake that leapt down on its prey." What does "in actuality" mean? How can one speak of a mythical creature "in actuality"?). Anyway, if anyone could give me some information or re-edit the section about the jerboa, I would be thankful, as that information may not be correct, considering that I'm not a biologist or Latin-speaker. Or does that simply belong to a separate "Trivia" section, because the Jerboa may actually have nothing to do with the amphiptere? And were the Arabian myths in any way associated with those of the Egyptians, as they might have been talking about the same creatures, that sometimes happened to migrate to Egypt (in their legends, of course)? Also, the Medieval people believed that the amphipteres could fly, and the Egyptians did too, but the Arabs believed that they couldn't fly, although they were all believing in the same creature? And my final question is about the Fandrefalia Snake...Is it a mythical creature or a true animal? 84.131.119.8 09:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the spelling 'Amphitere', and that the Aztecs worshipped one, Quetzalcoatl?

[edit] Page reliability issues

This page has a problem. It isn't describing real amphiteres. I found the old Amphitere article first, and cleaned it up to be factual (if brief). They're a European heraldic creature, as someone did mention on the talk page there. It's a modern fashion to call the feathered serpents of the Americas by that name.

The amphitere and the jaculus are also distinct creatures. Jaculus aren't feathered serpents or amphiteres. They're their own thing.

The mistake seems to have been to rely too heavily on online sources which got the wrong end of the stick. The best thing seems to be to copy this page to Jaculus for heavy editing, and redirect this page Amphiptère to Amphitere. I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but I'm sure I can find it out if someone doesn't step in to help. Polenth 21:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've moved this back to jaculus since agreed the move to Amphiptère mistakenly conflated the two; also redirected Amphiptère to Amphiptere, where I'd moved that latter article given that this also-recognised spelling is more inline with the origin & etymology.

Both do still need considerable work to disentangle the modern fictional from the 'authentic' mythic sources, but I see there's been a good start made in that direction already.--cjllw ʘ TALK 06:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I've started looking around for sources and double-checking that things mentioned are really jaculi, and not some other serpent. What I've found currently doesn't talk about Arabia at all, so if anyone has any leads on where that might have come from, it'd help with checking it. Polenth 04:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rodent genus

Now that there's a separate article jaculus (rodent) on the genus of jerboas, I've removed the following sentence (the cross-reference now handled via the disambig hatnote at the top):

The latin name of a species of jerboa is Jaculus jaculus, probably due to the serpent-like appearance of the skeleton.

Firstly since there's only the etymology in common between the heraldic winged snake & the rodent, but secondly as I'm not sure about the unreferenced motive given for naming the taxon Jaculus. Haven't looked into it, but given "jaculus" doesn't actually mean 'serpent' or 'serpent-like' it seems unlikely. AFAIK jaculus was 1st used as a taxon by Linneus (for that sp. of jerboa), & given they are 'jumping' or springing' rodents that would seem to be more in tune with the etymology. Either way, would be better to have a source for the naming snippet, but the info if obtained would seem more appropriate to have at the article on the rodent genus, not here.--cjllw ʘ TALK 09:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me.--84.131.105.39 14:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd Reference

The 2nd reference about Pliny's Quote isn't working. Could the editor please fix that?--84.131.105.39 14:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The site it's on is having some hardware problems according to the main page. It should reappear when they fix it. Polenth 03:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The site came back up and I've changed the URL to match the one they're now using. It should be fine now. Polenth 22:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)