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By other online resources, the date 19 January 1557 is wrong (1 Sep is given) and 31 December 1491 as birth looks also rather improbable (see the given link).
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[edit] Typo?
Under 'First Voyage', it says "During this trip he took Domagaya and Taignoagny, the sons of Huron Chief Donnacona, back to Europe." But at the link it provides at the bottom, it says Donnacona was 'Laurentian Iroquois', not Huron. Even the Wikipedia article about Donnacona says he is Iroquois. Is there a reason for this? Is it a typo?
Not Iroquois, Iroquoian. Former refers to tribe, latter refers to linguistic group. Kinda like German versus Germanic, which could apply to English, etc.
Why does it show Adriana Pericak's name instead of Jacques Cartier's name in the First Voyage? The entire paragraph seems inaccurate, with references to Pakistanians and Kahzakstanians.
[edit] French or Breton?
Saint-Malo is in Brittany, and his baptismal name Jakez Cartier looks more Breton than French. Was he in fact Breton? --Angr/tɔk tə mi 13:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Brittany is a part of France. Hence he is French. CQFD.
- Bull. He was born (1491) Breton because Brittany wasn't absorbed into France yet (1532). As it says in the article. --Urhixidur 01:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Bretagne always was a french teritory, and dialect names just show local languages, so stop revisionism from something you can' t understand, french history! and stop with your Lawrence river, anglisism that NEVER STATED AT THIS TIMES, evrybody, and western world was speaking french, your kings too! UK was a french duchy, terre neuve was the real name for this times, trying to spin the history is a englis sport anyways!
- The writer of the above comment is ignorant. Brittany was an independent CELTIC duchy, not French, when Jakez Karter was born. The Breton language is related more closely to Welsh than it is to French, and is not a "dialect" of anything, it's a language that the French governement has given no respect or regognition to because they're too stuck up an ignorant of thier own minorities. The English and French are equally good at "spinning history" I would say. UK, a French Duchy? In 1067 maybe...not in 1500. Common man, learn history.
- Doesn't change much, if the process had been started or not, the fact is it was not formally a part of France. Well little Breton does not mean no Breton in any case, if Karter did speak it the fact probably got hushed up by the French government anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.160.105 (talk) 05:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The annexation of Brittany was in process long before 1532 -- see Anne of Brittany. Cartier was born in Saint-Malo on the Norman border where little Breton was spoken.Eulalie Écho (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Baptism
No baptismal certificate has been found[1] and the spelling "Jakez Karter" is unreferenced and probably fictional.Eulalie Écho (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fact check: Ice depth
An User:66.131.141.10 anonymous user made the following unattributed change:
- From mid-November 1535 to mid-April 1536, the French fleet lay frozen solid at the mouth of the St. Charles river, under the Rock of Quebec. Ice was over
twoa fathom (1.8 m) thick in the river, and snow four feet (1.2 m) deep ashore.
So was it one fathom or two? I don't doubt that one fathom is 1.8m. What I doubt is that JC was using SI units. Does anyone have a source? Cleduc 13:13, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Racist or proven statements?
I am not a specialist, but I found highly dubious the following sentences:
-(first section): "Donnacona thought at first that Cartier was a man from underwater" (dubious: French, Spanish and Basque fishermen had been in the area ---mostly New Foundland, Labrador/North Coast and St-Pierre and Miquelon---for at least 40 years before Cartier arrived, and extensive tradings already existed between the Natives and the Europeans. While we don`t know if the Wyondat tribe met Europeans before, it is highly likely that they knew the existence of these tradings before they encountered Cartier.
== Also, please note that documented portuguese maps (e.g.: Ribeiro c. 1532) already shown a precise carthography of Labrador, Terra-Nova, and st.laurent river. A look at, for instance, Moura (1992) "Les portugais dans l'exploration et le colonization..." could allow a more neutral description of Jacques Cartier discoveries.
-(last section): "Hurons killed and ate 35 French settlemen" (citations required, to say the least). Also dubious (middle section): that 50 Hurons died of scorbut, given that they knew the remedy for this disease.
--(throught the text): I am not at ease with sentences such as "Cartier tried to entertain diplomatic relationships" when his record consists of several kidnappings (Donnacona's sons, and then Donnacona himself), broken promises (Donnacona never came back to Canada), and pactification with the enemy (Stadacona was at war vs Hochelaga, and Donnacona strongly opposed to Carter's will to sail to Hochelaga).
I'm not a specialist; only an educated user. I would like someone with greater knowledge settle these issues.
[edit] St.Lawrence River
Image:Bold textjacques cartier visited the St. Lawrence river, but did he go on extending rivers attached to the St. Lawrence? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.63.85 (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Is all of the stuff?
) Hello, I was just wondering if all of the information about Jacque Cartier on this page is true. I was wondering because people that use this page for a project might get the wrong information if anybody can change the information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.110.239 (talk) 19:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
some of this information u may read may not be true actually most teachers dont trust this webside. because anybody can type some wrong information and u dont really learn anything cause its false info. i hope i answered ure question :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.163.254.27 (talk) 21:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] was he breton or french??
was he a breton or a frenchman?--Sonjaaa (talk) 13:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC) it looks like he grew up in an area that was not part of france yet? or ?
