Talk:Jackson Kirk Grimes

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[edit] General

[edit] Identity/Date of birth

If this is the Jack Grimes I'm thinking of who was also a voice actor in radio and early anime, 1950 seems a bit recent for a date of birth. For the time being I think we should go with the date and place of birth from IMDb. knoodelhed 07:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It could be that the websites which claimed him to be the same Jack Grimes as the mystery theater voice actor are wrong, and we would then need a disambiguation at Jack Grimes. From his '04 campaign pictures, it certainly doesn't look as if his birthdate would be so much before the other 1950 birthdate cited, though that is a POV opinion. Nagelfar 07:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It is not the same Jack Grimes. The voice actor (seen several time in All in the Family) is a short, grey-haired man who does not resemble Jackson Grimes in the least. Zooks527 13 June 2007

According to the bio on his official website, he played Hitler in an episode of Star Trek & Pontius Pilate in some movie "The Road of the Cross". I'm having trouble tracking down both claims; can't find any mention of him in any cast list of any episode of any ST series involving Hitler, & can't even find any reference to a movie by that name. I'm starting to suspect he made up the both of them. Total raving wack job lies about his resume, what are the odds?Scalefree 01:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BIO

I've removed the prod for now so this can be looked at in peace. Grimes appears to be mostly referred to as "Jack Grimes" in the sources given.

Find sources: Jack Grimes – news, books, scholar

I get 54 google news hits on the name, but only very few of them seem to refer to this person. Adding "fascist" as a search term, I get four hits: marshallparthenon.com, Sarasota Herald Tribune (twice), and dailytargum.com. That's it. Four mentions in rather dubious news outlets in over seven years. I would maintain that this clearly fails to meet WP:BIO if Grimes is considered a politician. If he is considered an "oddball" or "internet crank", he'll need to be re-categorized along such lines, and evidence of notability in these respects would need to be provided. dab (𒁳) 11:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

ok, we could consider mentioning Grimes in a footnote to List of candidates in the United States presidential election, 2004, but I frankly think the entry should just be deleted for lack of notability. dab (𒁳) 11:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

He still seems to be widely blogged about in addition to those sources, making him somewhat of an internet meme. That alone I think gives more credence to wikipedia biography notability as some article exist solely on virtue of their runaway internet fame. Nagelfar (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

um, yes, but then we need to categorize Grimes as such. Consider Gene Ray. He is in Category:Internet personalities, his claim to fame being his website. He gets a grand total of 36k google hits (in estimating internet fame, counting google hits for once is meaningful). "Jack Grimes" gets about half that number, including all hits for an actor of the same name. I am not sure what our notability threshold is in this case, but the article will need to be rephrased away from "politician bio" towards "internet clown". "Jackson Kirk Grimes" gets us 1,300 hits, and "United Fascist Union" 2,800, which is hardly sufficient to establish "internet fame". dab (𒁳) 12:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well we have John Taylor Bowles as a '08 U.S. presidental candidate and his "National Socialist order of America" only gets 584 google hits. I get 3,900 hits from "united fascist union" (for some reason, 3,930 if I capitalize it properly as "United Fascist Union") Nagelfar (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)