Talk:Jack Orion

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I've removed the auto=yes because this is definitely stub.

Some todos (reminders for me mostly)

1. List tracks sources 2. List other musician (Renbourn plays on at least one track - just listenign to it now to confirm which) 3. Link to Black Mountain Side to highlight Jimmy Page's er, reinterpretation of Bert's arrangement.

Personally still baffled how AMG only gave this three stars, but I'm a fan not a critic.

[edit] The Gardener

Is this traditional, as stated? I thought Jansch composed it. Bluewave 10:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry! It says traditional on the record and Colin Harper describes it is a "wildly impressionistic" version of a song that Jansch learnt from Owen Hand. Bluewave 14:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glasgerion

Jack Orion, the song, is undoubtably (no sourcing required) a version of the Child ballad Glasgerion. I’ll fix the link in a moment, and provide a back-link from that article. But where did it come from more immediately? I have a vague recollection that Bert Lloyd meddled [in the best possible way!] with the words and gave it that tune. But I don’t remember where I read or heard that. Does this ring any bells for anybody: with sources attached? —Ian Spackman 23:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Colin Harper says "Jack Orion itself was the vestige of a traditional melody, reconstructed by Bert Lloyd..." so I think you're right. I suppose he might have learnt it from Lloyd directly, or it might have been the result of one of his collaborations with Anne Briggs, who was well-steeped in the lloyd repertoire.Bluewave 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Rather strangely one of the instrumental tracks (I’m fairly sure it was The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face) was used as the theme tune for a sort of local news/magazine programme which followed the BBC’s six o’clock TV news in Swindon and the West Country. (Might have been called Points West, or might have been a successor to that programme). Even if I could source and confirm that I wouldn’t bother adding it to the article because like most trivia it’s too trivial to be in a Wikipedia article. But I couldn’t resist plonking the factoid here. Must have been a little money-spinner. —Ian Spackman 23:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)