Talk:J. Reuben Clark

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By mutual consent, entries on this talk page have been deleted due to the copyright violation related to the original article and a dispute between two editors. Thank you for your understanding. WBardwin 00:57, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing an invocation of godwins law

Hmmm! Interesting. A discussion that starts with an invocation of Godwin's law. Oh goodness.

Okay, here's the deal. Editing wikipedia is a privilege, not a right, so people are well within their rights to censor. Whoa whoa, read on: You see; there's a page history, and every single word and act is kept there. So in practice it's actually impossible to censor. :-P

What is sometimes a good idea though is when people make inflammatory remarks etc. to tone them down a bit. Hey! It's a wiki! Feel free to refactor! The original text is kept in page history, after all.

Just, when you do so, it's always a good idea to mark that some section of text is redacted, so that folks know to actually look in history, if they like. It's the polite thing to do.

So each of you have part of the puzzle, and you're both right in part. How about you cooperate and {{sofixit}}? :-)

Kim Bruning 20:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Above is moot anyway - it is a copyvio

In researching this - I found the order and many phrases to be lifted straight from this article: http://www.law2.byu.edu/Law_Society/pdf_Clark_Memorandum/cmF04.pdf

see right side of page 4 and left side of page 5

Trödel|talk 12:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good catch. Re: information for rewrite. The only material I have to hand is D. Michael Quinn's biography of Clark, "J. Reuben Clark: The Church Years." It has a great deal of factual material and good references. The bio was written in 1983, while Quinn was still in the church, and so has an LDS bias, but it also contains Quinn's signature "drama" and omniscient speculation. Would listing the book as a reference cause difficulty for the LDS project as we try to deal with Quinn's other work, i.e. Joseph Smith, Jr.? Will look for other materials. WBardwin 16:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Apparently I was the one that entered that information. But I don't remember doing it! If you look at the history of edits, there it is, right as I was editing a bunch of Apostle articles to enter them into the system for the first time. I apologize for this and the sooner we remove the copyrighted material, the better. This was part of a talk given by Boyd K. Packer. I sincerely apologize for this. Jgardner 05:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Historian Category

Should J. Reuben be placed in the Historians of the Latter Day Saint movement category? He did quite a bit of writing -- but mostly in law, legal precident, U.S. history, some theology and, of course, church administration. Opinions. WBardwin 07:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)