Talk:J. Lyons and Co.

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Anybody know why they stopped trading? Why is there no longer a national chain of tea rooms? Edward 17:22, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Could someone merge Lyons (company). I may if I get time Justinc 15:09, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Lyons_and_Co. => http://www.kzwp.com/kzwp/kzwp/lyons/index.htm for history of J. Lyons by Peter Bird and this URL was broken but I think I've fixed it. b.t.w. this answered my question "How was "Lyons" chosen by Salmon family ?" - First established in the last quarter of the nineteenth century by four entrepreneurs (Isidore and Montague Gluckstein, Barnett Salmon and Joseph Lyons), J. Lyons & Co. became one of the largest catering and food manufacturing companies in the world. 14 Oct 2006 16:10 BST

I think this is a really poor page.

(1) as far as I know, J Lyons was never referred to as Joseph Lyons - where did that come from. It was always J. Lyons (or occasionally in slang Jo (or Joe?) Lyons).

(2) Surely the facts that it had a large central checking department, or that it had hundreds of clerks and even less that it had Burroughs adding machines are not the most important things to mention about the company at the start of the article.

(3) I didn't even think that the company was founded by Joseph Gluckstein, but rather by Salmon & Gluckstein. I think Joseph Gluckstein is an entirely incorrect name, perhaps deriving from Samual Gluckstein marrying Hannah Joseph.

(4) The introductory paragraph should surely mention the Lyons Electronic Office which pioneered the use of computers in business.

Perhaps the first para could say something like

J. Lyons & Co. was a large British catering, food manufacturing and distribution business. It was founded in 1887 as a spin-off from the Salmon & Gluckstein tobacco business. Joseph Nathaniel Lyons (b. 1847) was appointed to run the company which was named after him. J. Lyons & Co. was _the_ pioneer in the introduction of computers to business, and the company manufactured and sold a range of LEO (Lyons Electronic Office) computers in the period 1947 to 1963.