User talk:J0lt C0la

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contents

[edit] Re: e-sports AfDs

I do not mind the message you left for the other person, and I also respect your efforts to keep articles on people who deserve them (though not even gamer does, the majority of those currently at AfD do). I just saw the post by Ogre2 saying that Saiyan was off the team and StrongSide (whom I've never heard of) was on, but I can't find anything on the web about StrongSide. However, he still meets WP:BIO, whether there's anything on the Net about him or not. -- Kicking222 03:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-gamers - what category is being used?

I'm not trying to PO people here, and this is a serious question from a non-sports person (the only sports I do are downhill skiing and figure skating (and a bit of college hockey years ago))... What criteria is being used for these people? My reading of the WP:BIO is along these lines...

From Wikipedia:Notability (people) Where do e-gamers fall into the standard categories? They are not:

Political figures
local political figures
entertainment or opinion makers
actors or TV Personalities
Published authors, editors and photographers
Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals
Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events, such as by being assassinated

Can they be considered under the following:?

Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States.

They aren't sportspeople or athletes - but they may be competitors; is this the category where their notability is being justified? I didn't think that this was the intent of this category; I read this as those that are actually physically competing. If e-athletes are to be judged under this criteria, I would urge a notation being made as such to prevent further confusion on the issue.

As I couldn't put them in any of the above categories, I fell back to the basic:

"The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. - All of these criteria are in fact simply special cases of the general primary criterion of multiple non-trivial published works from independent sources. A person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians.

There may be articles written about these people, to whom I have no animosity, but can it be said that they are making a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field?

I do agree that several of the persons on the AFD list do have independent notability, and have noted so on their pages. However when looking at the field, I still say that these don't qualify as I don't see how they are part of the enduring historical record... (article - began playing):

Chris Smith (electronic sports player) - May 2005
Scott Lussier - July 2005
Eric Hewitt - April 2006
Ben Jackson (electronic sports player) - May 2005
Dave Walsh - March 2004
Brandon Jenkins - April 2006
Carlos Morales (electronic sports player) - April 2006
Michael Cavanaugh - April 2006
Victor de Leon III - "Victor has won no tournaments and has no notable placements in professional events."
Ryan Danford - May 2004
Zyos -"Leto quit gaming professionally after his former team, Xit Woundz, failed to place top 4 during the second event of the 2006 season."
TuLegit - ?

Again, I'm not trying to PO people here, would just like to see a clarification made for future disucssion on where exactly these people fit into the WP:BIO scheme!

Thanks for your patience with a non-gamer. :) SkierRMH 05:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] W00t

A DRV has been opened for W00t. Please comment. Thanks! -- weirdoactor t|c 01:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Pro gaming WikiProject

I added my name, and I'm certainly willing to help out, even though I've admittedly never been part of a WikiProj before (I don't like editing just one group of articles- I prefer editing whatever strikes me at the moment, or doing a random article search). My only problem is that I'm not sure the scope is such that the project could not just be a sub-section of the CVG project, as there are so few reliable sources relating to pro gaming. With that said, though, I'll do what it takes. -- Kicking222 22:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro gaming WikiProject

Heya, I read about the project. I am of course interested in contributing, since there is a lot of nonsense going around on WP regarding professional gaming. Whether this be MLG or CPL trying to push their companies, or users without any knowledge of the matter on an anti-gaming crusade. I've contributed to e-Sports, 2006 e-Sports World Champions, and some other articles. -- DJiTH 23:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Question

There is not so much a bias I have against MLG and its competitors, but just a general matter of caution not to get dragged along too much in the MLG's commercial endeavor. The way MLG operates, to me, is highly dubious and has more likeness with for instance the way WWE operates than with a regular sports competition; signing the players to the league rather than a club or team, buying broadcasts, running a show.

I know that MLG and HALO are relatively big in the USA, but let's not confuse USA with World :-). For a non-American, the American custom of saying "best in america = best in world" is a highly annoying one. On a global scale, more people will have heard of BoXeR than of Fatal1ty and T2, yet he only has a minor article. I am not denying that MLG should have articles on wikipedia, yet the ratio should be balanced. If these MLG players all have articles, then so should at least all players listed in the 2006 e-Sports World Champions article. If this is not the case, the emphasis in the e-sports category on Wikipedia is too much on MLG, giving a very distorted image of the global e-Sports circuit. The solution would be either to delete the MLG articles or add articles for the other professionals. Since the latter is not feasible in such a short timespan, the first option came out as the preferable one.

Regarding the show, when USA Network starts its shows by saying "The best gamers in the world", they stop being a reliable source to me. That is, if they're not talking about for instance Grubby, Toxic, BoXeR, Fatal1ty, Moon or team fnatic as well. I don't think that a show partly hosted by an MLG owner can pass WP:V#SELF and WP:RS either. Things that would be of more importance for notability would be; how many people (independent of MLG signed) participate in the competitions, how high is the level of play, how much active audience do matches attract (live audience and internet audience, not cable tv audience, since cable tv is passive), how many people play HALO2 and SSBM competitively, how competitive are these games in nature, how much community interaction is there, how much independent and reliable media coverage is there etc. Taking all these into account from a NPOV, you will have to come to the conclusion that MLG HALO2 will, even at best, be less notable than major Counter-Strike, Warcraft, and Quake competitions and teams.

Regarding the individual articles, if they are deemed notable by the AfD votes, I think that it's better to have one article containing a lot of information than having multiple articles containing very little information. So my suggestion is, create a decent article on the Ogres, then create a decent article on T2, then create a decent article on Walshy, and so forth, rather than creating small articles for every signed player. Also, have different people contribute to the article, rather than just an MLG employee/fanboy.

Just to clear things up, I am not supporting the AfD's because I'm on an anti-MLG crusade or anything of that nature, but because I feel a responsibility to present the world a fair image regarding e-Sports. Though I do realize that I have been a bit harsh in previous judgements.

[edit] Ben Jackson (electronic sports player) up for deletion review

I was wondering if I could get your opinion on that Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 December 30. He is Karma in the gaming world and currently ranked as both best FFA/1v1 Halo 2 player and is apart of the best team, Team Carbon Valoem talk 06:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for input

Hey there. Not too long ago, you were involved in the AfDs centering around Major League Gaming. I would appreciate some input as I believe there needs to be some sort of consensus on whether or not the notability of these players meets requirements for Wikipedia. Thanks. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 04:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ogre 2

Tom Ryan's article is now great. Thanks for doing such an excellent job with it. On an unrelated note, I don't know if your userpage is fully updated, but I'm sorry about your ear infection. I used to get an average of three ear infections per year from when I was a young kid until I was 18 or 19 (I'm now 22), and they've left me with slight permanent hearing loss. I hope yours are not nearly as bad, and that you feel better. -- Kicking222 04:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: HIV set point

No problem. I fixed the citation - a line break in the title was messing up the template, so I took out the line break and replaced it with a hyphen. — Swpb talk contribs 23:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thank you

I just happened to notice in my watchlist that you were adding the articles to the project :-). Let's make this project work! I added a bunch of articles to the project already that I think are suited. -- DJiTH 01:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your ear (and gaming)

First, I'm certainly in on the WikiProject. Our main goal- aside from improving articles, of course- should be to add any members who would be willing to help out. Second, I hope your ear is not as serious as it could be. I know infections can be a bitch, but I'm certainly pulling for you in the hope that there's no permanent damage. -- Kicking222 02:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPWatcher approval

You've been approved to use NPWatcher. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! Martinp23 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MLG

Yeah. I'd try and comment, but I am hooped up on NyQuil and an assortment of cold medication, so I cannot give an assessment on the article at this time--or even write articles for that matter. I will, however, state that while I think Arrashju (talk · contribs) means well, I think he needs to be made aware that this is Wikipedia, not Major League Gaming's fan-based mirror. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 04:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Electronic sports quality

Watch out for: Article Creation and Improvement Drive: Electronic sports --141.24.43.104 15:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Annasbenefit

Although I see one warning was made on the Anna Mae He talk page, I see no reason to jump immediately to the 4th level of warning. Every user has the right to be warned several times before they are threatened with a ban per Wikipedia policy. Thanks, JHMM13 19:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Understood, but we should still go through procedure :-D...as painful as it might be. Certainly an admin could verify the IP. I think you should take it to WP:AIV after the next warning to ask for intervention. Cheers, JHMM13 19:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Yo Yo Yo J-RO

Im sorry, its just i am rather angry at the fact my amazingly amazing page got deleted.

G-man422 15:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)G-man

[edit] OK

I've had my fun. ,Sorry. But i wont have to wait long.

G-man422 15:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC) G-man 4 'EvaG-man422

[edit] Thanks

I appreciate you fixing my user page after it was vandalized. Thank you! JodyB talk 11:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CVU status

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 16:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)