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[edit] In the north of Sweden?
Jämtland lies smack in the middle of the country. Try to keep the southern focus away from wiki please.
well it is in "norrland" (northland), and it is north of the centre. keep in mind it's a map and not a globe, so the northern parts look slightly bigger as well.--87.65.145.10 20:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Republic of Jamtland
I'm suggesting this be merged into Jämtland simply because I don't feel that the "independence movement" is notable enough to warrant its own page. A mention in the history section would be sufficient as it would also provide sufficient context for readers. Usrnme h8er 09:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Having lived in Jamtland for a few years I would dare say their regionalism and more than half-serious independence movement has earned it's place on wikipedia. It certainly has in the heart of the jamts. Also, shouldn't Helags be considered the highest peak of Jamtland Republic? --83.251.99.37 21:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Compromise name?
Having encountered this province's name here in en-WP in both Norwegian and in swedish format (and is there also a Danish format?), I would like to see it changed to Jemtia, in order to be neutral between those countries to which this province has belonged, long periods to both. Suedois 01:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Nah, Jemtia is just weird, used by no one the last couple of centuries. If it's necessary, rather add the Norwegian name after the Swedish and local. Eg: "Jämtland (help·info), Jamtland (regional name) or Jemtland (Norwegian)"
After the recent update by user 213.67.64.22 I suggest a change to the first sentence to "Jämtland (help·info) or Jamtland (regional name), Jemtland (Norwegian), from Old Norse Jamtaland, is a hist...". I object to the part about "most genuinely pronounced [ˈjampˌlanː], from Late Old Norse Jamptæland)" on the grounds that it's highly arguable what is most genuine and not, and the fact that the oldest recording of the name is, in fact, Jamtaland.
- Why must the Norwegian name be mentioned? Whom is that of interest to? / Fred-Chess 18:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- I kinda liked the way it was, Jämtland is the Swedish name, Jemtland is the Danish name which became the "Norwegian" because of Danish supremacy over Norway. If one wants to know their names for the province one just have to click the links in the left menu. So I agree with Fred, it doesn't belong here. Jamtland is the Jamtlandic name for the province and it's pronounced a bit differently. In Jamtlandic one doesn't pronounce it "Jamtland", more like "Jamtlann" and most genuinely "Jamplan". As the article correctly stated. I think it should be restored as it was, especially the part about Jamtland being the regional name. Heimvennar 22:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- About the Dano-Norwegian name: it should be mentioned because of its historical significance. Compare for example with the articles on Skåne and Bohuslän.
- Except that Jämtland has never been Danish speaking, unlike Skåne.
- Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 22:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC))
- About the Dano-Norwegian name: it should be mentioned because of its historical significance. Compare for example with the articles on Skåne and Bohuslän.
- I kinda liked the way it was, Jämtland is the Swedish name, Jemtland is the Danish name which became the "Norwegian" because of Danish supremacy over Norway. If one wants to know their names for the province one just have to click the links in the left menu. So I agree with Fred, it doesn't belong here. Jamtland is the Jamtlandic name for the province and it's pronounced a bit differently. In Jamtlandic one doesn't pronounce it "Jamtland", more like "Jamtlann" and most genuinely "Jamplan". As the article correctly stated. I think it should be restored as it was, especially the part about Jamtland being the regional name. Heimvennar 22:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crowned lion
Good work on expanding the article! I just wondered about this "The Norwegian Lion is cronwless and testifies about Jämtland's special status." The lion seems to me to be crowned in the seal. Its just not very well drawn. I have never seen a heraldic or any other lion drawn with three spikes on its head for no reason. It must be a crown. Inge (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry my bad, it's the shield that's crownless [1] (compare it with the CoA of Norway. I will correct it. //Heimvennar - divider 13:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think thats relevant. If you look at the gallery of Norwegian coats of arms in the article Coat of arms of Norway you will find that none of the shields are crowned untill the 1500s. That heraldic practice aparantly didnt start before that time. I think its just a case of missing the details and drawing conclutions that aren't there. Inge (talk) 13:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Is the border made up of arrows? It seems so in the drawing in the page you linked to, but is less detailed in the image we have here. Inge (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- I changed it after Ekerwald's notes (though I don't know whether or not "realm seal" is an appropriate translation of "rikssigill"). And I honestly have no idea what the dots are on the border. Might very well be arrow heads as you point out. I have not come across any sources regarding them. //Heimvennar - divider 18:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Is the border made up of arrows? It seems so in the drawing in the page you linked to, but is less detailed in the image we have here. Inge (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think thats relevant. If you look at the gallery of Norwegian coats of arms in the article Coat of arms of Norway you will find that none of the shields are crowned untill the 1500s. That heraldic practice aparantly didnt start before that time. I think its just a case of missing the details and drawing conclutions that aren't there. Inge (talk) 13:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
