User talk:Iwpoe

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[edit] Ethos

Thanks for you concern about the font display in the article Ethos, but in this case it was not a justified edit and I had to revert it. Please see ἦθος and ἔθος for the reasons. → Aethralis 08:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The inability to see the epsilon in the Ethos article seems to supersede any benefit gained out of maintaining whatever character is displayed when one sees "ἦ". If it is supposed to be an eta and not an epsilon (which is possible since I am only a learner of Greek) then there is a perfectly useable character available in "ή", and I am uncertain why we must maintain "ἦ" at the sacrifice of visibility.
Thanks for the answer. Lets keep the discussion in one place (please see Help:Talk page). The problem with diacritics is understandable, but it is customary for ancient Greek to be written with polytonic orthography, and modern Greek with monotonic. Most of the browsers and computers nowadays are able to display the Unicode characters quite well, and people interested in ancient Greek terms have - mostly - configured their system to be able to do so. The Greek text makes sense in an article only if it is really useful, and this means it has to be the accepted orthographical variant. → Aethralis 17:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I seem unable to properly display the text in internet explorer (though it displays well in Word) it is often rendered as . The installation of fonts seems to do nothing to resolve the issue.
I would suggest using Firefox instead (works OK for me). Seems that IE6 does not render the η in this case correctly. I haven't tested it on IE7. → Aethralis 08:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I refuse to shift to the counter culture browser flavor of the month. IE is the standard which sets the architecture of the internet. If firebox hangs around for six more years, (hopefully gaining a more stable ground than Netscape did) then perhaps I will consider it as more than a testing ground for website compatibility. This brings me to another consideration if 81% (possibly more) of internet users (all IE users including those who use IE7) experience a problem displaying the text then the article is severely hindered. The preservation of polytonic orthography in this case makes the whole thing worthless.
Polytonic orthography "has been around" longer than IE. So I refuse modern self-imposed technical limitations if it's possible to live without them. But of course - it's up to you. Regards → Aethralis 06:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I am merely considering 81% of modern internet users not myself; if I desperately need to see something I will bend my principals. Do you think that everyone searching for Greek text has the technical knowledge to know not only that firefox is available but also that it will clear up the display problem? If I were not as computer literate as I am now I would simply consider the page poorly formatted and move on in the search.
OK. Excuse me. I had actually not taken interest before how the different browsers handle the Unicode character set. I have used Firefox because it's open source. But in Stoa consortium there is a quick overview of the unicode and polytonic Greek, and I imagine that you can find a suitable solution for your problem. I would also suggest reading the article Unicode Polytonic Greek for the World Wide Web. BTW it is customary to sign you posts with ~~~~, see WP:SIG → Aethralis 09:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me if my tone come off as harsh; this is not my intention. I simply see it as a vast problem if the large majority of internet users see the major concept of an article as unreadable. An unreadable character is worthless regardless if it is meant to represent proper orthography. I have a feeling that the square generated by an unreadable character in IE is not proper polyatomic orthography, no? (Also, I am aware of the signature custom, but this, being present on my own talk page, seems to be evidently posted by me.)Matt 09:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
If you very strongly feel that the η should be without diacritics, I suggest organizing a voting on the Talk:Ethos page. Or have you managed to correct the problem with the IE? → Aethralis 21:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)