User talk:IvoShandor/Archive Sep 2007

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[edit] Please don't go

Ivo, I more than anyone else know how discouraging it can be. Well, that may not be true: your RfA was extraordinarily discouraging, and my feelings on that weren't exactly secret. But you are such an awesome contributor, and you are needed on here as much as I or anyone else am. We all work in unison doing different things, and you are one of the good ones. Losing you would be like losing a leg. Don't go.--David Shankbone 12:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much what David said, you truly are an asset to Wikipedia. (I don't nom people for adminship unless i believe they're great) I know that there are some parts of Wikipedia that are very annoying and hard to get through. Heck, there's even more of that stuff as an admin. I don't really know what else to say though, DSB above knows I mean what I say though, you're one of the really valuable contributors. (I still think you got royally screwed at rfa, can't fix that though) I'm available to chat if you need out let anything out though. Wizardman 03:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Likewise. DS 03:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
No don't go. You've been the best contributor by far at DYK in recent times and it seems that this "quit" post was immediately after a rather mundane argument by other people about Red Auerbach being booted off GA. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It has more to do with the Black Hawk War, but these are all reasons, I think I may just take awhile off, we'll see. Thanks for the kind words. -Ivo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.131.28 (talk) 04:11, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
I wish if you were having trouble with something you would have let some of us know. You are one of the best on here. I wouldn't have spent an afternoon photographing CPW for just anybody. Really, it will upset me if you leave. Don choo make me "come to dekalb and confront you" (lol). --David Shankbone 04:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I sort of suspected this recent stress came about after the comments on Black Hawk War. I don't know what that university president was basing his criticism on, or whether he had a firm recollection of the article. Perhaps the guy would like to help out if he could get his paws on a paper copy of the article. But that's not really what I'm here to talk about. I'm here to mention that you do good work here at Wikipedia -- in fact, you do great work. You obviously care about the encyclopedia, as I've noticed with all the work you've done at WP:NRHP and WP:DYK. And for every self-appointed expert who pooh-poohs a legitimate article, there are probably hundreds of readers who read something like Black Hawk War and learn something in the process. So stay around and focus on the stuff you like best. (And, hey, at least you didn't write a Pokemon article that got criticized by a Pokemon expert.) --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
My plan is to do these things:
  1. Edit less than normal.
  2. Contribute less to discussion pages in the WP namespace
  3. Try not to let Wikipedia upset me so much (which it does at times and my edits reflect it, i.e. I become rather hostile towards some people)
  4. Try to remember just how shitty of a school Northern Illinois University is, and that the president there is more likely to have graduated from Hollywood Upstairs Medical College than anywhere else.

IvoShandor 07:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

That's an impressive statement on your user page. It's good that you're very concerned about the accuracy of the article, which gives a first impression of having been compiled very scrupulously. (The first impression is all that it will make on me: this is a subject area of which I'm ignorant and I don't have time even to start to read up on it.) I wish a lot more people took their editing half as seriously as you do. But there are all sorts of possibilities: that the man is an expert in his own field but a mere (and misinformed) "buff" on this subject, that he was misheard, that he was thinking of some entirely different article on a similar event, and so forth. There are good reasons for taking a shortish break (notably that you appear to be in the northern hemisphere and this is summer), but I don't see any reason here either to get depressed or to take a long break. Anyway, despite having been on the "Jerk" side in an earlier unpleasant experience of yours, I've been looking forward to voting for your receipt of a mop and bucket the next time around. -- Hoary 09:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Contributing less to discussion pages in the WP namespace does indeed promise to be a sanity-saver. You can also consider a subject break. (When I'm tired of idiocy here, I forgo work on any subjects that I think could have popped up in the anglophone mass media. It works for me.) Anyway, I think it's pretty likely that there has been some misunderstanding here, a misunderstanding other than the one whose possibility worries you. -- Hoary 10:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 25 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John H. Addams, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 03:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 25 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John H. Addams Homestead, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Peta 10:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Presidio of Santa Barbara GAR

Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I really didn't mean to say that a set number of citations was necessary for the article, only that significant referencing improvements had been made. I wouldn't saying an article must have at least 10 citations to be a GA, either. :) Anyways, I disagree about the referencing issue, but that debate is long over, and the article has been kept as a GA, so it doesn't really matter anyway. As long as it is well-referenced now, all is good. And thanks for the clarification about the infobox. I wasn't sure if I should use {{infobox_nrhp}} or {{Infobox_Missions}}. I think I covered most of the information in the new infobox, but could you please just check it over and makes sure it meets WP:NRHP standards? Thanks, Raime 15:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reagan is FA!

Thanks Ivo! Happyme22 21:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rejected or Historic

Rejected and Historic are two separate conditions. A proposal which does not achieve consensus is properly deemed rejected. A project which was viable and then obsolete is historic. Notwithstanding some editors trying to use Historic as euphemism for rejected (PC), there is a proper way to do it. --Kevin Murray 18:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to split hairs. I get your point. Thanks! --Kevin Murray 04:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks Ivo for the message in my talk page. If you want to give out a 50DYK medal, watch out for User:Sengkang who should be completing the half-century any time now -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits10:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Nomination: 3 March 2007 lunar eclipse and 28 August 2007 lunar eclipse

Your opinion on whether this article meets the inclusion criteria is welcome. Please contribute to the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/28 August 2007 lunar eclipse. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them.

Discussions such as these usually last five days. In the meantime, you are free to edit the content of the article. Please do not remove the "articles for deletion" template (the box at the top). When the discussion has concluded, a neutral third party will consider all comments and decide whether or not to delete the article. Peter G Werner 22:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments at Taj, GA/R

Ivo, I know we've bumped into each other from time to time at WP:ARCH, and so I'll preface the following by telling you I hold you in high esteem and value and respect your opinion. It may seem we have gone for the jugular at GA/R, and that's partly true and deliberate, but it isn't personal. The guy is potentially causing untold, albeit well-meaning damage and didn't seem to be listening to the gentle approach. I've objected strongly and vociferously, but my intent was to flog the opinion, not the man. At the GA criteria page, after it became obvious he'd goofed, we are treated to 'actually, maybe you're all opposing to something else', requiring more time and effort to put him straight. He hasn't withdrawn any of the articles he's posted for spurious reasons to GA/R. Its a pernicious trend this 'reviewing'. To work, it rather relies on people knowing both policy and content. I was in the middle of posting a proposal on the criteria page, when you commented, perhaps you might take a look? --Joopercoopers 10:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

YOU are not the reason I quit. I am NOT blaming you. Thank you very much for your efforts to moderate. I am sick of the Wiki culture that responds to senseless, game=y actions -- actions clearly NOT done in good faith -- with the good faith mantra. There is a sludge of complacency and smugness pervasive. Your comments tried their very best, and I appreciate them and you for makiing them. Assume good faith about that. --Nemonoman 11:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Review

Thanks for asking me the question, I just answered it. New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 04:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Permission and thanks

I never thought to mention that I was copying your userspace header template. I hope you don't mind. Also, thanks for the coveted DYK barnstar.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey - sorry for the late reply. Thanks for saying that thanks will not be needed ;) I think I will, instead, just put a friendly notice on my page thanking people for their participation. All the same, thanks for making an effort to lessen my "workload". Best wishes, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:I am guessing

Hello again. I'm really glad that you weren't put off by the original RfA (and that incident with Black Hawk War, I took a look and couldn't see any problems whatsoever with your references which can only lead me to believe that the university president read an older version). With regard to your next RfA, I would be happy to nominate you again, although I would leave it until late September, the reason being that when users have another RfA within 3 months of a previous one, they are often opposed on the grounds of it being "too soon since the last one" or something similar. Also your Black Hawk War comment might un-nerve some people. How about 3 weeks time? I know nothing is really going to change in that time (I think you were ready for adminship 3 months ago), but I think to those voicing their opinions at RfA it will be more convincing that you aren't power hungry if your next RfA isn't exactly the minimum suggested waiting time. Does what I typed make sense? It seems a bit awkward and wordy... James086Talk | Email 11:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking that people seem to jump on any excuse to oppose and your Black Hawk War comment might lead someone into thinking you're too touchy about the articles you write or some other nonsense. Then again, it's probably just me being negative about RfA, which really isn't that bad. I definitely think you should be able to succeed in an RfA, you got 2/3 support last time, and it's been 6 months since February. I hope that this time around people see that you infact pointed out the diffs & weren't trying to hide them as the first few opposers thought in your last RfA. Perhaps they opposed and didn't check back, but I think that many opposers last time will change their vote this time. James086Talk | Email 03:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow, when I saved that comment I edit conflicted with myself! The only difference in the 2 versions was that the unsaved one had ~~~~ instead of my signature. How odd... James086Talk | Email 03:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Well there's no obligation to do admin work, though if you do you can expect some throngs of complaints (I generally do image deletion & vandal blocks which tend to be less controversial). If you don't want to go through another RfA that's understandable & I don't want to pressure you. Just know that if you do, I'd be happy to nominate or support. See you round, James086Talk | Email 04:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in here Ivo, but figured I would give my voice. Personally, I would wait longer than 3 more weeks, more closer to two months. Mostly to distance yourself more from the last one. You are prolly the best editor and researcher on the Wikipedia that I know of, and no one is more deserving IMO. I just know how these people are with RfA.--Kranar drogin 04:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

Thanks for your comments Ivo. I certainly have no ill feelings whatsoever towards you. You did your best to moderate a delicate situation. I enjoy collaborations and would certainly welcome doing one with you. At the moment though I've got quite a few solo projects on the go. If just started this - User:Joopercoopes/The Grange, Ramsgate and I'm waiting for a book. I need to finish translating this - User:Joopercoopers/Opificio delle pietre dure (you don't happen to know Italian do you?). The supreme irony was Nemonoman and I have been trying to thrash out a compromise on the Taj for about a year - To illustrate the ludicrousness of the GA 'review' here's what I actually think the problems are/were issues preventing it's FAC promotion. User:Joopercoopers/Taj Mahal/Review. I started a rewrite that became overly long - Nemo critique's my prose as too wordy, but I tend to draft stuff up in a wordy way and prune it back later. 6 books later I made the strategic decision that the Taj needs three articles - the Taj main page and then two subpages:- User:Joopercoopers/Origins and architecture of the Taj Mahal and User:Joopercoopers/Taj Mahal in history and culture. My current efforts are focused on the 'Origins' article which should be up to scratch soon. Then I'll do the history and culture and then Rewrite the main article at User:Joopercoopers/Taj Mahal/restructure. being one of the best known buildings in the world, the Taj is a very heavily trafficked page, it gets bombed with vandalism and some very wierd POV pushing from Hindu right wingers who think that Jahan, after murdering and raping most of their brethren, sleeping with his sister, then co-opted a shiva temple, dressed it in a bit of marble and called it the Taj - you've no idea how insidious this idea is. Anyway working this way, we hoped to avoid most of the flack and quietly get on with business of reflecting the academic thought about the complex. Nemo was going to copyedit and take his novelist's scythe to my remaining prose. If there's anything in that lot you fancy having a go at, be my guest, I'd like to finish the 'origins' article before it gets a copyedit from someone else though.

What I could really use a hand with is maintaining the selected picture and articles at WP:ARCH - it's boring and unrewarding, and I'm not sure how I'm the only one left doing it - there used to be three of us. --Joopercoopers 15:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

See RFA Q10--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auto peer review

As a highly productive article creator, you might be interested in getting the auto peer review tool. You can copy my monobook (ask the help desk because I needed help doing it myself), which was copied from the creator.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 02:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this will help. You have to clear your cache after copying it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 02:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RevoPower

Since you think it needs more use of external sources, would you care to help me with something? Three or four sources from outside the company talk about some "Bard Center" business award or something to that effect that they won, but I don't have very many details about it, and I'm not sure how to work it into the article. If you could do that, I'd appreciate it, since I'm working on putting specifications and claims on outside publications where possible --lucid 09:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Towns_in_Texas

Thanks for your reply about unincorporated towns. I now have another question: in Category:Towns in Texas [1], are those towns added automatically when they are put somewhere else? I don't see how they get there, because the edit function at the top doesn't seem to work for the list. Brian Pearson 01:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a town and a city? I suspect many, if not most, of the towns and cities (articles) were created by bot programs, and that many are in the wrong category. Brian Pearson 01:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illinois Freedom Bell

Just wanted to let you know, I have started work on my page for the Illinois Freedom Bell. I am having a bit of problems finding sources, and hope that you can assist me in finding some. Let me know if you find anything. Thanks!--Kranar drogin 20:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 3 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Byron Nuclear Generating Station, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 00:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Commonist

Just to let you know I got this program working, boy am I glad you found it! I can really start uploading quicker to the Wikipedia Commons now.--Kranar drogin 16:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Top Importance Chicago articles

I apologize if you have consciously omitted your votes (which you may have already explained to me), but you continue to be one of the most active WP:CHICAGO member who has not voted at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/Assessment#Current_Top-importance_Candidates voting ends in a day and a half.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triple Crown

I, Durova, recognize IvoShandor with the Triple Crown for exceptional content improvements to Wikipedia. Thank you for all you do. DurovaCharge! 00:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I, Durova, recognize IvoShandor with the Triple Crown for exceptional content improvements to Wikipedia. Thank you for all you do. DurovaCharge! 00:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Your Majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow the Triple Crown in recognition of your contributions to Wikipedia. May you wear them well. DurovaCharge! 00:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not enough in-line citations

Perhaps you might like to comment on my stance over here? --Joopercoopers 15:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Hawk Ideas

Hi Ivo, I was going to leave a message and wondered if a) you and Kranar Drogin were OK (lots of flooding in northern Illinois) and b) if you thought the list of Black Hawk War battles and places was complete (so I could start making the map).

While I would still like to know the answers to these questions, I saw the "Major and important announcement!" on your user page and thought I would weigh in. My first suggestion is to ask User:Kevin Myers to look at the article. He has written several FAs on clashes between Native Americans and settlers in the Revolutionary War era. He is probably not as well versed in the Black Hawk War, but he writes wonderful articles that are closer to this one than any others I know.

My second suggestion is to ask at the WikiProject Military History page - there has to be someone there who knows a bit about Black Hawk.

My third suggestion is more difficult, but might be ultimately more satisfying. See if you can contact the President of NIU (through your mutual friend?) and respectfully ask him to look at the latest version and to a) point out any blatant errors and b) suggest sources to correct / augment the article. My guess is that he is referring to a prior version of the article, but even if there is some glaring hole or error (which I also find hard to imagine, but you never know) then you will have it pointed out and perhaps fixed. If you can't talk to this person (or email or write him), at least see if you can find if he has written on the war - it may be there is some point he has published on that is ignored in the article or contrary to popular wisdom and that is the source of the comment. It may help to get the article as polished as possible (ready for FAC) before doing this third option.

Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I am all good up here, just a few flooded parks and one or two homes by me. Not much at all, but up in Rockford and Cherry Valley, they were hit very hard. There is talks of the city buying like 100 homes cause they were so destroyed and the fact that the area will just keep flooding.
ANyways, I agree with you about contacting the president and having a review. to me, with all the books I have read lately, it is spot on. I just got a "A History of Illinois 1818-1847" so will see what that says too. Your map was looking good too Ruhrfisch, keep it up!--Kranar drogin 23:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ronbo76

Leaving and absences like this are not uncommon. He could have quit, or just be on break. He might hail from a military past, so I wouldn't be surprised if he got called up or something. It's unlikely that some freak accident happened to him (bolt of lightning?). My bet is that he is just on leave or some military thing is holding him up. And by that I mean I have no idea where he is. --Sharkface217 08:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)

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[edit] Christmas tree farming

Hi Ivo - saw your request at WP:Plants talk; I just did a biggish copyedit to unicodify everything, get links to species sorted (first mention of each linked; and names uniform with species articles), etc, etc; when saving I ran into an edit conflict, I hope I didn't lose anything, but best check over! On the article as a whole, I'd think the 'trees' section should go higher, certainly above the pests and diseases etc sections. Hope this helps! - MPF 10:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Took a look at my edit compared to your last, and I seem to have put a paragraph back in that you'd just taken out (in the ===North America=== section); nothing lost, fortunately! - MPF 10:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hola

Hey there, how've you been? I see the Christmas trees are growing well... Cricketgirl 10:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, trying to fix my family's wireless, which is somewhat vexing at the moment... it has a tendency to crash when I'm in the middle of proofing a huge section! Hopefully you won't have many problems with the thought police. You know where to find me if you need more copyediting... Cricketgirl 10:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
No probs, I can do it tomorrow morning if you like (it's definitely bedtime for me now here in Germany), but probably best to leave it until you've dealt with everything else, so that I'm checking the final version, as it were? Let me know when I should get the red pen out, and I'll get to work. Cricketgirl 22:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your GA nomination of Christmas tree cultivation

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Christmas tree cultivation you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Wassupwestcoast 15:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I take it that Christmas tree farming will soon be different from Christmas tree cultivation. Not important but I guess I should be careful what I link too. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 16:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I've reviewed the article. See comments on the talk page. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 18:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Hold

I'm extending the GA Hold for two weeks untl 21 Sept 2007. This is supposed to be a fun hobby! Re-nomination is too time consuming. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 14:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas tree cultivation

I've added possible references at Talk:Christmas tree cultivation from the silviculture / forestry view. I hope some prove useful. I think you've spent your year on Wikipedia in a much more constructive and useful way than I have judging by your varied contributions! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 23:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yay, here I come!!! :) Cricketgirl 18:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'm halfway through a 2nd run-through, but I have to run off and do some tax for my father (I'm a useful sort of person!) - do you want to take a look at what I've done so far? I've put quite a few comments in with little questions for clarification. Have fun! Cricketgirl 19:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I've read the article and left some notes on the talk page and also at my talk page. I see Cricketgirl is doing a LoC copy edit which is really good. The article is looking good. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 21:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
OK all done now. Sorry if my comments were a little terse, don't mean to be nasty... I put another comment in the Farmers section. Apart from that, I'm pretty happy! Let me know if there's anything else I can do to be helpful, be it related to big green spiky things or anything else. Cheers, Cricketgirl 22:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Also thanks for linking to Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini... made me giggle. I was sure it was an Uncyclopedia entry which had miraculously made it across until I read more carefully... still giggling. Cricketgirl 23:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Wyoming WikiProject Let 'Er Buck Award

The Let 'Er Buck award from WikiProject Wyoming
Thanks IvoShandor, for your hard work improving articles about the great state of Wyoming.

This is a belated Wyoming WikiProject thanks for your work in making Rock Springs massacre a featured article! - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivo Shandor

As you are Ghostbusters fan, I wanted to let you know I want to merge or delete this article. I know you are fond of it, but I really don't think its notable. Thoughts? Judgesurreal777 20:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know...

Updated DYK query On 10 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christmas tree cultivation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 talk 22:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Christmas tree cultivation

I hope you do not think I wrote that abusive message regarding prices on the Talk:Christmas tree cultivation. Some IP editor stuck his nonsense into my text and did not sign. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 01:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Pass

This user helped promote the article Christmas tree cultivation to good article status.

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Thank you for all your work on Christmas tree cultivation. Fantastic effort from creation to GA! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 01:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!! Cricketgirl 07:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas trees and the Rouse Simmons

I see you've taken an interest in Christmas tree farming lately. Did you ever read the story about the Rouse Simmons, the "Christmas Tree Ship"? The ship sank in 1912 when it was delivering a load of Christmas trees to Chicago, and it's attracted some fame as a shipwreck. I thought you might be interested. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 02:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar
How many GAs is that now IvoShandor? ;) Seriously, you continue to create excellent articles that are well referenced, and all of your work is truly excellent. Please continue to better Wikipedia in this way. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:IvoShandor/Christmas tree farm

I read your article in-production. It does look good. My suggestion is to make this article focus on the history and 'rural studies' aspects of Christmas tree farming. The other article on cultivation would be the mechanics and economics of tree farming. There does seem to me to be too much cultivation in the farm article. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 19:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture

You are my architecture guy. At this week's WP:CHICOTW I have a redlink for J.M. Van Odsel, but I think he has done a lot of stuff. Does he have an article somewhere that I should know about.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I could write the article, but you are an architecture guy and would surely do a better job.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. From the tone and context of your post on my talk page you may have missed the explanation in Rush Street (Chicago) of why he is the first Chicago architect.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 28 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article History of Christmas tree cultivation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- M.K. 11:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello. You can be sure that in other countries with Christmas tradition, trees are also cultivated for that purpose. :) - Darwinek 15:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem for me. I no way I think you are a "jerk". Btw I really enjoyed your NRHP and Frank Lloyd Wright buildings articles. You have done a great job there. - Darwinek 15:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Septentrionalis

Well, that was a refreshing change from the discussion at WT:MOS. Psychotropic substances? No; see any Latin dictionary. What have I missed that would suggest it? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's an adjective, like brasiliensis in the same list. (Don't tell the gender police, but Psilocybe is feminine. <ssh>) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 13 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christmas tree production, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 16:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

oh Christmas tree o chwistmas tree how glorious are your branches?? Hey somebody can't wait for Christmas!!! Good work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 17:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The main cultivation article was a pleasure to read and the image of the trees -well you can just smell them. Mmmmhhh. Hey have you though about any further articles on production in other countries such as Norway? Christmas tree production by country with a whopping big template to connect them all. Now that would be cool Keep it up ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Naturally of course Meester Shandor. I know that Norway produces a lot of Christmas trees but possibly the only net info available would be in Norwegian. Scandanavia is known throughout Europe for this. I remember reading a newspaper article some time ago about how acid rain from Uk and German industry is devastating the forests affecting Christmas tre eproduction in Norway and Sweden. I'd definately see what you can find on it. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 17:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

This seems a "berry berry" good idea. There is tons of UK stuff available and related content.

See the British organization British Christmas Tree Growers Association wihtout a wiki article at for expample:

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 18:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh wowo we do have it!!! But you know the kind of thing I mean ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 18:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I saw it am am very impressed we had it. I've added probably the most stereotypical image of the org logo as you could imagine! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 18:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Hey hey

Well, I am not sure about removing the county yet. Do you think something like that would make more sense? Maybe it would be just better not to have them all linked, same with the city. Removing Cook County articles prolly would be a good idea, and moving them over to the other list. That way this article won't be as big. If you can come onto AIM tonight, that would be great. I would like to discuss with you going over some things with creating these articles. Gotta run for now, talk later!--Kranar drogin 00:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 14 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christmas tree pests and weeds, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

----ST47Talk·Desk 18:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Van Osdel

John M. Van Osdel has been started.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

You and I have interacted a couple of times. I sometimes se your pages as references. I am learning to expand my abilities in helping expand Illinois related Wiki articles. I would like your help and any input as to directing me. Thanks--Stangboy7 18:11, 14 September 2007 (CST)

I would like help Just give me direction. Right now I am just randomly searching for things that need expanding. How would you cite anything from a library on here? I thought everything had to be cited using a website on Wiki. Where at in Central Illinois are you from? I have been born and raised here. --Stangboy7 18:35, 14 September 2007 (CST)

Also, how do actually join a project?--Stangboy7 18:11, 14 September 2007 (CST)

I would like you to suggest some examples articles that need expanded and and article on something similar on how it should look when it is done. Also how are you always able to know when I update an article? I notice it is always checked when i get dont editing one. I was born in Bloomington and have lived in Chenoa my whole life. But anywhere within maybe 50 miles of Bloomington I would be more than willing to research and take care of. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. Stangboy7 00:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


Yes, i had expanded a little on the Matthew T scott house before. One of my best friends actually lives there ,rent free mind you, and I know several sources I can get info on it from. As for the Wind Farm, I am a huge supporter of it, and I can see them from my backyard. And aviation, I worked for TWA and American Airlines for 3 1/2 years at the Central Illinois Regional Airport at Bloomington. I have been in the DC3 several times and I know serveral people who work at the Aviation Center. I love this area,central illinois, and I know it all very well, so I would be more than willing to work on all of this. You didn't bombard me with too much info, I welcome it. Any more suggestions is welcomed.Stangboy7 20:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 16 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Main Street Historic District (Tampico, Illinois), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--DarkFalls talk 05:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for putting the comment in the correct location. Opus33 17:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death of Eugene Ejike Obiora

I appreciate very much your help and suggestions. If I feel singled out it is in a positive sense as I am learning. So, thanks! --Mattisse 01:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

One thing I would like to know is how to count character number, as currently there is nothing on this computer that will do it. --Mattisse 01:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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--Carabinieri 12:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Task Forces

I am thinking that maybe for Illinois we will start some task forces similar to what the military project does, or even what Oklahoma did. We can discuss it more later if you want.--Kranar drogin 22:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sorry

Thanks for your kind apology. See you in the trenches. Speciate 07:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

Updated DYK query On 19 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Bruce Round Barn, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 talk 13:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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--Carabinieri 19:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On September 20, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wisconsin Heights Battlefield, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Heh, I just had to pull that one out to bring up your century of articles!!! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Medal
For becoming the sixth article writing centurion on DYK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Congrats dude!!!! 100 is a major, major achievement. Keep up the motivation to go on to 200 and beyond. Way to go!!! -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 02:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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