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Update article with more information about the Ivalice Alliance games Expand Reception and Criticism section FAC —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kariteh (talk • contribs) 08:58, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

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Contents 1 FailedGA 2 List of Final Fantasy XII locations 3 FFTA and Shared Locations/Retranslations 4 out of universe 5 Timeline is Too Heavily Relied on 6 GA before FFTA2? 7 GA considerations 8 Ivalice in FFTA 9 Connections of Ivalice to Ivaice in FFTA 10 Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions retcons

[edit] FailedGA

I failed the article because it lacks citations for necessary parts, is not yet broad in its coverage, and goes into excessive detail in some areas. We still have a lot of work to do with this one. — Deckiller 13:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[Thoughtless and stupid comment removed by the author.] My new GA proposal is a copy of the JapanWikipedia's. I'll make a sandbox version soon. — Bluerで す。 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Final Fantasy XII locations

We should merge it here, since it appears to be the exact same topic, and may make it to GA combined. Judgesurreal777 21:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a member of WP:WPFF, but I've been keeping an eye on the Ivalice Alliance articles lately, and I support the merger. It'll be a beast of an article, for sure, but I believe that's the way to go.--Nohansen 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Done! Judgesurreal777 03:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FFTA and Shared Locations/Retranslations

I'm not sure if this has been broached before, but maybe we could add a part highlighting repeated locations throughout the games? Additionally, locations and items that have been retranslated yet hold common themes through the games deserve a mention. How does this sound? Finally, I'm seeing almost no mention of FFTA's mobile geography or apparent climate (mentioned to be hot, except in snowy passes). ShiraShira 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

It could sound trivial, but be bold and give it a try. — Bluerです。 ^なにか? 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] out of universe

I propose that each subsection be reordered according to the release dates of the games. The current sections are in fictional chronological order and that contradicts Wikipedia's policy on fiction article. Kariteh 17:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course. — Bluerです。 ^なにか? 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. It makes the history section just a little bit confusing, but that's only because it's written with an in-universe point of view. It would be much clearer with explicite out universe descriptions. Kariteh 17:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we cut out the information in the history section. That's in-universe, and should be well-suited in FFWiki instead. — Bluerで す。 18:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

All of it? I think the Ajora section should remain since it's supported by official out of universe sources. I agree the rest is probably more suited for the FF Wikia though. Kariteh 09:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh no. Not all of it. Only the sections which talk about the timeline for the individual games. I'll go ahead. — Blue。 14:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The timeline has been transferred to the FFWiki, if anyone asks. — Blue。 16:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline is Too Heavily Relied on

I find this article a little bit too biased with the Ultimania in comparison with the Ivalice=FFXII/FFT timeline, and sans the correction of gender in localization, almost completely ignores any type of game canon being presented in favor of the timeline. Heck, even the timeline is being read wrong here, such as the statement "Even though the Glabados religion didn't exist...", incorrect. FFXII takes -place- in 706, FFXII's -ending- takes place a year LATER, 707. Even -according- to the timeline -itself-, the religion is established upon the time FFXII and Tactics timeline begins to diverge and the "Ajoras" appear. Yes, its several decades later, but you are also making -predecisions- that the female Ajora and male Ajora are the same (a question posed by the timeline itself) and countless other bits of speculation that are not needed yet are cited as credible in this wiki. In other words, if we're going to continue to rely on one little timeline so much, be thorough when doing so?67.142.130.42 02:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ultimania Omega is the only canon reference for the timeline, unless you found others. The statement "Even though the Glabados religion didn't exist..." doesn't exist in the article, even before the latest revision. FYI, Glabados was not explicitly mentioned in FFXII anywhere, even in the UOmega, as a religion. The name crops up as the Cache of Glabados in Revenant Wings, which in turn is something not related to the religion. UOmega also questions if these Ajoras are the same, but as far as evidence shows, they're not. Technically, we wouldn't sanctioned such speculative information within this article, but the article is also in the process of improvement, still figuring out what should be in and what shouldn't be said here. — Bluerで す。 15:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA before FFTA2?

Could this article pass GAC even though FFTA2 isn't released yet? It would make an awesome Featured Topic with FFT, VS, FFTA, and FFXII (the pre-Ivalice Alliance games). Kariteh 13:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I think a little more info in the reception might help it achieve GA even without FFTA2's info. — Blue。

[edit] GA considerations

Certainly a good article, however some issues:

• Reception and criticism is stubbed. Seeing as its one of the most important sections, you might want to expand this as much as possible.
• All pictures need their rationales modified to include Ivalice.

--David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

All pictures' rationales have had Ivalice added now. --PresN 05:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it's good enough to pass GA. David Fuchs ^(talk) 21:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

A Good addition to the Wikiproject. And the dates... what a coincidence :) — Blue。 21:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivalice in FFTA

Article says: "Though described often as a world, this was only physically true of Ivalice in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance."

False. Ivalice is a country in FFTA. http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/9256/31752944dh9.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.42.227 (talk) 02:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

To the people in the world, because they're not real. Ivalice, however, describes the extent of the dream world. --77.99.30.226 11:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Connections of Ivalice to Ivaice in FFTA

In Final Fantasy Tactics Advance article it says "The fantasy Ivalice is supposedly a reincarnation of Mewt's memories from a Final Fantasy game." this game could be Final Fantasy XII, because it has the characters from that game in it. Also it could be Final Fantasy Tactics because it has the systems from it. I think it is Final Fantasy XII. I don't have proof of this. if someone knows that this is true, then they should add this to the article, or if it is not suitable for this article, and it would be better in another article, then it should be put in that article, or in any article that would benifit from this information.

No, the "Final Fantasy" game the article is referring to is an actual game called "Final Fantasy" in the FFTA world. The game is, strangely enough, based on a pretty accurate in-universe historical setting that predates the cataclysm (which caused the loss of many races and quite possibly tons of recorded history from the era around the time FFXII takes place). LanceHeart 02:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions retcons

Now that the game is out and has been for quite some time, I've noticed (mostly in the religion section) that there are some differences between the original version's translation and the new one. The mannerisms of everyone tends to go toward saying "gods" when referring to deities, especially in the Germonique Scriptures. What I propose is this: The addition of the discrepancies or retcons under every Final Fantasy Tactics section. I'll probably add the religion part when I get a chance to read some of the dialog of the game again. LanceHeart 03:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)