User talk:Itsmejudith/Archive/Archive 02

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Contents 1 Conversation with Kyoko 2 South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal 3 Re: 4 what's stressing me now 5 Itmam al-hujjah 6 food, anorexia 7 Whitewashing 8 Hi 9 Whitewashing 10 Apology 11 yes, PH is improved by exercise 12 WP:BAH 13 Sorry 14 WikiProject Brighton template banner 15 re: Wishing you lots and lots of luck 16 Merge 17 Brighton & Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign 18 French/Kyoko 19 square roots, chemo 20 Historical materialism 21 Thanks 22 my articles 23 To help you with your welcoming of new Esperanza members... 24 Award 25 lung tx article online 26 Muhammad picture dispute 27 Yellow badge 28 November Esperanza Newsletter 29 personal update 30 Briley Brothers 31 A thank you note 32 Tired 33 thank you 34 E@L support barnstar 35 depression and stuff 36 Thank you so much 37 Muhammad + Reform 38 'Buddha's Relic and Jetavanaramya' article 39 Buddhism #2 40 Thanks 41 Reforms under Islam (610-661) 42 Racist wikipedians 43 catchup 44 Mediation 45 A request 46 Your "evidence" in my Arbcomm 47 happy Turkey-Day!!!! 48 Request for Mediation 49 Parviz Tanavoli 50 Islam, Criticism and Non-Muslim views 51 New antisemitism 52 Thank You 53 Thanks! 54 Your RFM 55 Islam 56 Happy Holidays! 57 CE at Muhammad 58 Thanks 59 hello 60 NAS 61 Merry Christmas 61.1 Merry Winterval(s)!!!! (12-22-06) 62 Happy New Year 63 Project Invite 64 Effulgent thanks for joining the Religion Project! 65 Belated happy wishes 66 Help in dispute 67 Request for comments 68 message 69 Can you lend a hand with Canary Islands history 70 antisemitism page 71 Religion related articles 72 re: Omnipotence 73 Re: Sincerety of Muhammad 74 EUMC on NAS page 75 Thanks 76 Secularism 77 Islam and antisemitism 78 Re: Bi-polar 79 Thanks for your well wishes 80 Muhammad picture mediation 81 courriel 82 Gary Null 83 German exodus from Eastern Europe 84 Talk:Eutychianism 85 Mahavatar Babaji 86 sourcing 87 Poll on every little issue 88 Cliff 89 Mediation at Talk:Reforms under Islam (610-661) 90 Sugar 91 Reliable sources 92 Brits in gitmo 93 Expansion of WP:BAH - your opinion, please. 94 Reddy 95 Barnstar 96 Welcome back 97 Reddy 98 Reply from G-Dett 99 you may be interested in this discussion 100 Sharia image: woman who got 50 lashes 101 Help ? 102 Mark Cohen 103 Historicity of Muhammad 104 Criticism of Jesus 105 Reddy 106 Request for Mediation 107 Banu Qurayza 108 Could you please take a look at this article? 109 Wikification 110 Reddy 111 re Deir Yassin massacre 112 Thank you 113 Wikipedia:WikiProject Sussex 114 hey there 115 Muhammad image 116 Secondary antisemitism 117 Islamic Azad University of Rasht 118 Muhammad 119 Compressed Air Vehicles 120 Yellow badge and antisemitism 121 Viaduc de Millau 122 Sock puppet 123 Islam 124 Muhammad 125 Muhammad 126 Solar shingles 126.1 Solar Power 127 Invitation and our Appreciation for your Contributions 128 Sorry but. 129 OK Then. 130 Aw Gee whiz and Kwork 131 Invitation 132 Hi Judith 133 Solar Power 134 Solar Power edits explanation 135 Hkelkar 136 Canaanite period 137 Anna Wilding 138 Johann Hari 139 Quick question 140 Alice Bailey article 141 Vietnam collaboration 142 Solar power 143 Your suggestion may get buried amongst the other comments. 144 Four corner soccer 145 A REQUEST 146 WP:BAH 147 Comments on User talk:Yitzhak Hudas 148 Antisemetic publications 149 Sorry. 150 Satanic ritual abuse and Adam 151 Harrassing of editors 152 Bans on ritual slaugher 153 Page move 154 BHAVABHUSHAN MITRA 155 Your removal of sourced content 156 Solar energy 157 Helge Thiis 158 Purgatory 159 Barnstar for cooperation 160 Hegemony theory and world-system analysis 161 cold fusion 162 Thanks 163 Second Opinion on Bhavabhushan Mitra 164 Satanic ritual abuse and mediation 165 Article not been treated 166 Help with ICU 167 Article Dr. Katherine Siva Saubel 168 Purgatory 169 Thank you 170 Merry Christmas 171 Request for mediation not accepted

[edit] Conversation with Kyoko

J'ai relu les phrases que tu as écrites, et tout d'un coup j'ai compris leur sens ironique! Il faut que je dorme un peu plus avant de répondre aux courriels! Malheureusement, un de mes médicaments provoque l'insomnie... --Kyoko 00:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to stick to English right now, because I'm a bit distracted, and English does come to me more naturally than French. Right now, I can't be sure whether it's "on peut dire aussi" or "on peut aussi dire".

I am doing better emotionally, but physically there are certain consequences to what I did, consequences that I will have to live with, but I don't want to depress you by mentioning them. Sorry to darken the general mood. It's a question of "do I put on a brave face and pretend that everything is great, or do I say what really concerns me and trouble everybody?" Anyway, I hope that you are doing well.--Kyoko 12:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You really want to know? --Kyoko 13:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal

I live in a bad area so i see no good chavs but i will believe you (just). Yes i believe South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal is very relivent to the persicution of heathans page. The whole issue of satanic child abuse is very relivent especially as the kids where more likely to be abuse in care due to no security checks on social workers at this time.Hypnosadist 17:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Salaam Judith,

Nice to hear from you! And as usual thanks for your kind and interesting comment on my talk page! The good thing that I like about Watt is that he suggests to Christians to read about the concept of God in Islam in order to understand their own trinity better. and similarly to Muslims. So interesting to me! I feel he has taken the right strategy. I feel different people use different terms for the same concepts or approach the same concept in different ways. I think the missionaries of all religions should not say people that I have the truth and let me teach you what I believe but rather, I have something which may help you to understand your own religion better. Even the seemingly contradictory beliefs, can be reconciled together if the proper interpretations are adopted. I may be misguided, but am happy to confess that I have reconciled myself with the Bible at least as I much as I understand it. I do believe in salvation that came through Jesus and that Jesus died on the cross. On the cross issue, I am taking the view of a minority of Muslim scholars. I have seen many Christians and I should confess I have been overwhelmed by their sincerity and kindness. Their nice treatment of me has even influenced the way I read the Qur’anic verse on Christians. On the contrary, my main experience of contact with the Jews has been on wikipedia and ….

Judith, unfortunately I am really off in Taoism. I read the article on Tao but didn't get much out of it. I have got the feeling that balance in life is a very important concept. I tried to find the relevant qur’anic verses on this topic and found a few:

55:7-9. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.

2:143. Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves;…

42:17. It is Allah Who has sent down the Book in Truth, and the Balance (by which to weigh conduct).

83:1-4 Woe to those that deal in fraud,- Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure, But when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due. Do they not think that they will be called to account?-

57:22-23. No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We bring it into existence: That is truly easy for Allah. In order that ye may not despair over matters that pass you by, nor exult over favours bestowed upon you. For Allah loveth not any vainglorious boaster,-

25:67 Those who, when they spend, are not extravagant and not niggardly, but hold a just (balance) between those (extremes);…

Just a start point. :) Cheers --Aminz 09:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much Judith. I'll read Tao Te Ching and then, I think will have many questions to ask :P Cheers --Aminz 21:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what's stressing me now

I'll just respond here, since I've disabled my Wikipedia e-mail access following what happened to another Wikipedian (complicated story, I don't know all the details, but I can guess what happened, and I would rather not gossip about it).

Anyway, I've had kidney disease for quite some time. The loss of blood during my suicide attempt was the final insult that made my kidneys stop working sufficiently well, meaning that now I have to go on dialysis. Also, if you have read my userpage, then you know that I have pulmonary hypertension. While I can get around OK right now, I also know that realistically, my condition will probably deteriorate within a few years, to the point where I will require a lung transplant, and both kidney disease and psychiatric problems are considered to be negatives when selecting who should be put on the transplant list. I'm working on an article right now about lung transplantation, in my sandbox, if you would like to know more. But basically, I'm a bit stressed because by my own actions, I may have eliminated any chance for a transplant should that become necessary.

This is why I didn't want to go into detail at first. --Kyoko 13:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You see? I didn't want to depress you, but now I fear that I have done just that. I may have thinking about the worst-case scenario when I last wrote you. Some people with PH pass away within a short time after diagnosis; others are able to survive for several years. In any case, it is a serious condition that affects life expectancy. I was fortunate enough to be diagnosed at a fairly early stage, so that fact is in my favor. I don't know if this saying exists in the UK, but there's a phrase of "hope for the best, prepare for the worst". I guess that applies to my situation.

As for editing various health-related topics, I suppose that it may be due in part to wanting to reach out. I really think it's more a matter of wanting to give back by building Wikipedia in the process, and learning some things along the way. It helps that I have some aptitude for both science and writing, so I think that it's important to convey scientifically accurate information in a form that that is easily understood by non-specialists.

I do have excellent medical care, because I live near one of the top teaching hospitals/transplant centres in the US, and I'm fortunate enough to have both good medical insurance and a comfortable income. There are support groups out there as well, which I admit I haven't yet interacted much with (I'm pretty shy in real life). Perhaps it's time that should change.

Since you mention health care systems, it really does bother me that in the United States, the value of a human life seems to be equated with a person's socioeconomic status. Regarding the allocation of donated organs, I understand from an cold, harsh, objective point of view why a person might be denied a chance at renewed life, but when it's your own life in consideration, it does worry me. I have the luxury (if you can call it that) of knowing that I'm not in immediate need of a lung transplant, and that my kidney function may yet be restored to adequate, if not normal, levels. The real solution to the scarcity of donated organs is to raise awareness of the need.

Thanks a lot for "listening".--Kyoko 21:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A few more things. I don't feel particularly brave at all. There are many people who face different obstacles, and they cope with them. Comme on dit en français, je ne fais que me débrouiller de ma santé. Most often, I feel frustrated at not being able to do things that I used to do a lot.

Being all "dark and twisty", I do have a tendency to think about the worst that might happen, but I really do have a harder time handling emotional stresses than things involving my own health. As has become clear, my depression and tendencies towards anorexia are the most immediate threats to my health, and I'm currently under treatment for that and hope to get better. I had told Natalya that I've always been rather moody, and now I have to figure out what part of my streak of melancholy was due to depression and what part of it is really part of who I am.

Incidentally, I'm struck by the way that I managed to misquote the saying, "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" (the correct version). The way I had quoted it before seems to emphasize the bad side of things. I don't know if that unintentional mistake reveals anything significant, but it is interesting. --Kyoko 12:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Put another way, what choice do I have, or does anybody have when faced with some major hardship, than to learn how to deal with it? If that's seen as being brave, then fine, whatever, I don't care. I simply have a more complicated life than other people in some ways, while my own life is much easier than others as well. Most of the time, it's just a matter of certain inconveniences and frustrations: remembering which medications to take at which times, bumping up against certain physical limitations that I didn't have before, and so on.

I confess that at times I do feel scared. I worry about how my illness might progress in the future. I worry about dying. I worry that people will see me as being too fragile and won't trust me to able to do things (something that I can understand, but which really bothers me). I worry that I won't live up to people's expectations. I worry what people might be saying behind my back. I worry that I might not ever marry and have children. But this is all getting into the realm of insecurities that I've had for a long, long time.

My life is complicated, but I guess that everyone's life is complicated in its own way. --Kyoko 00:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Judith. I'm OK, I guess, I just get very tired now after frequent dialysis sessions. I suppose that they are just one more inconvenience I'll have to put up with. My doctors are hopeful that my kidney function will return to normal (well, my normal, which is basically like having a single normal kidney) sometime in the future. You were talking about bravery, or the perception of bravery. Me, I would rather be seen as nice than brave.

Thank you for being so nice! And yes, I am getting better, slowly. I notice that I'm somewhat more assertive, more willing to act rather than just assume that I can't do anything or that it's my fault.

I've been talking and talking all this time. How are you? --Kyoko 07:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Itmam al-hujjah

Would you please look at this article! TruthSpreader^Talk 16:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] food, anorexia

Salut Judith, ouais, j'aime beaucoup la cuisine du Québec! I guess the operative word for it is "hearty". It's filling, full of calories, nothing particularly ornate or refined (not like French haute cuisine, I mean), but just good. A lot of it also hearkens back to the past, when loggers' and trappers' families would prepare feasts for special occasions or simply to keep warm during the cold winters.

As for anorexia, it's not so much a problem of food quality as it is insecurity and finding fault in your self-image. I'm rather slight of build (1.67 meters, 51.1 kilos) which gives me a Body Mass Index of 18.3, which is slightly underweight. Even so, there are times when I look at myself and think that I should cut down on calories. I am significantly better than in the past, when I got down to 39.7 kg, or a BMI of 14.2. I really am trying to overcome this, but it's something that I've had ever since I was a teenager, and it's terribly easy to relapse into. In a sense, anorexia feels normal for me. I understand intellectually that I have to eat more in order to safeguard my health, but it takes effort to get over thinking patterns that you've had for a long time. I'm taking medication as well as seeing a therapist for my depression, which hopefully should also help with the anorexia. --Kyoko 14:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, we must have just missed each other between me logging out and you writing your message. The world you dream of would be a nice one, but in the real world, economics just get in the way. In the area where I live, there are quite a few people who will put up with an hour or two commute (each way, mind you) just so that they can buy affordable housing. It's even worse around Los Angeles. As for the Quebec cuisine article, yes, it could be expanded, but I already have so many Wikipedia projects that I'm working on, that it would probably best for me not to add that on to what I'm currently thinking about.

I'm still puzzling over whether it's "la cuisine du Québec" or "la cuisine de Québec". I'm a bit out of practice in speaking French. I can express myself very well, but I'll make little mistakes here and there. --Kyoko 19:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, regarding my leave of absence, I'm taking at least the next month off. Hopefully I will be able to be off dialysis by then. I've been thinking about what to say when I return to work, and I'm concerned how people will treat me.

I have a question. I think it's important that people understand what clinical depression feels like, so I'm keeping the depression essay online. Depression is a difficult condition to have, and the social stigma only makes it worse. However, I don't want to be seen as trying to elicit sympathy from others. I've just made some changes to my userpage, to make it more attractive, and hopefully to address my concerns about promoting depression awareness without seeming to be looking for sympathy. Do you think that the current revision of my userpage does a good enough job in meeting all those goals? Thanks. --Kyoko 22:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you were expecting a prompt response. I wasn't sure whether or not you wanted me to answer back. Anyway, a couple people at work whom I trust do know the full story of what happened, but as far as I know, everyone believes that I was hospitalised due to illness (which is true, in a way). I will just have to see how people react when I return to work. Thanks for your thoughts on my userpage. I came up with the basic layout, but Sango123 is the one who made the frames look rounded and purplish/pinkish. I think she's quite good with graphic design, considering how young she is. --Kyoko 14:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whitewashing

Why are you whitewahing anti-Semites and anti-Semitism? Don't open that can of worms.Hkelkar 15:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The fact that Rajsekhar is an anti-semite is not POV, it's a well-sourced fact.Look at other anti-semites like David Duke and David Irving for precedent regarding the article which, as it stands, is well sourced and quite acceptable.

It's not just Rajshekhar. Your edits to the Jews in Italy article also suggests whitewashing anti-semitism. You seem like a good editor and thus I'm giving you a friendly and well-meaning piece of advice. Don't get involved in these matters.Hkelkar 15:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The evidence of Rajshekhar's antisemitism is in:

1. Heuzé, Gérard (1993). Où va l’Inde moderne? (p 87). L’Harmattan.
2. Poliakov, Léon (1994). Histoire de l’antisémitisme 1945-93 (P.395). Paris.

Plus, Dalit Voice (his rag) runs publications glorifying Hitler and the Third Reich, denies the holocaust and frequently alleges "Jewish Conspiracies" and other anti-semitic things. Everything to that effect is cited.Hkelkar 15:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The Nation of Ialam thing is from a news broadcast in which the NOI prevented the naming of a street somewhere in Maryland after Gandhi when these fringe kooks of the Dalit Bahujan movement told NOI that Gandhi was a "racist" for using the word 'Kafir' to refer to South Africans (once in an offhand remark, lol). Too much of this P.C. crap gets in the way of reeling such whack-jobs in. It seems that they picked up their love for Nazis from the radical Muslims and the NOI leaders (Farrakhan has also expressed admiration for Hitler).Hkelkar 23:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, incluing Rajshekhar in the anti-semite category is agreed upon by other wikipedia editors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Anti-Semitic_people#Please_inspect_the_latest_addition_to_this_category

You're afraid that wikipedia will get sued because of this? Who will sue wikipedia, the ghost of the legal offices of the Third Reich???Hkelkar 23:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Please don't take my abrasive comments too hard. I wasn't attacking you or anything.Hkelkar 04:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a general comment here, which I have been beating all around previously. Wikipedia is not in the business of calling people anti-semites (or anything else). If a subject publishes anti-semitic statements, they can be quoted and sourced, in a neutral way. If a reliable source calls the subject an anti-semite, then that can also be reported and sourced, in a neutral way. If a reliable source that happens to be anti-semitic calls the subject a great visionary, that can also be quoted and sourced in a neutral way. If a third party reliable source points out that the source calling the subject a visionary is itself anti-semitic, then that too can be presented and sourced, in a neutral way. WP is an encyclopedia. It should not conclude "Hitler was a bad man." It should point out verified facts on how many people he killed, how many countries he destroyed, and can quote other reliable sources who say "Hitler was a bad man." It is a distinction that means the difference between verifiable reporting, and original research. "Hitler was a bad man" is, at it's root, an opinion. A majority opinion, to be sure, but still an opinion. If you happen to be a neo-nazi, then you may not hold that opinion. That he was responsible for a lot of death and destruction, and that reliable sources called him a bad man, is verifiable fact. WP reports verifiable facts, some of which may be the opinions of reliable sources. But WP does not give opinions on the facts presented. Crockspot 14:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi! If you need any help on anything, feel free to comment on my talk page. I just want to suggest that your talk page seems quite ready for archiving, which might speed things up in the future on this talk page. Thanks! Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 15:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whitewashing

This diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy&diff=79880695&oldid=79853386

Your edits concerning removing POV on Immanuel vs Reiti are fine. Your edits concerning pope Innocent-III can be construed as an attempt to whitewash his significant anti-semitism by shortening the wording and hiding it inside the large article. It needs to be more prominent and descriptive (your changes to the title of the section are fine).Hkelkar 12:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Thank you for explaining your point.I am, of course, somewhat familiar with the Jewish Encyclopedia (though I have mostly only read the Notseas dos Judeos de Cochim and similar works), though perhapos you should WP:CITE accordingly instead of just putting an "External Link" (to avoid confusion). Sorry for using "emotive language".Hkelkar 16:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Bear in mind that your scholarly edits are appreciated.Hkelkar 16:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] yes, PH is improved by exercise

Hi there, I'll make this quick because I'm in a hurry. Yes, it has been found that low intensity exercise (nothing too strenuous) has been helpful in maintaining and prolonging the quality of life for patients with pulmonary hypertension. --Kyoko 22:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm back. In my haste, I forgot to add that I'm sorry for your loss. If she was anything like yourself, she must have been a wonderful person.

Regarding your question, there is an article here about the benefits of low-dose exercise for people with PH. --Kyoko 23:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's funny, how when you're younger, you feel so sure of yourself and confident that you know more than your parents... and then when you get older, you see that life is so complex and you feel the same doubts that your parents must have felt. It's fine if you need to spend less time on Wikipedia. Please don't feel obligated to go online just on my behalf. Take care, --Kyoko 12:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that I've been busy trying to transfer over my user page design to my account on French Wikipédia. It's considerably more difficult to set up complex layouts there, because their userboxes are not as well organised as here in the English Wikipedia. Feel free to look at it, and please tell me if I've made any grammatical errors. No rush, and I hope that you don't get stressed too much from work! --Kyoko 14:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Primarily I was unsure about how to express "twentysomething" in French: une vingtaine d'ans, une vingtaine d'années, environ vingt ans (I'm a little older than that), environ trente ans (I'm a little younger than that). Thanks for looking at my page in progress. --Kyoko 21:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BAH

Welcome to WikiProject Brighton. Thank you for joining and sorry for the late welcome. I hope you can help me finish the project page sometime. Unisouth 08:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhapps you could make all our articles on the project page into links? Or you could make a talk page template and place it all our articles or make a member template. Theres loads of things you can do! Unisouth 13:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I thought noone was still interested in th rpoject so I abandoned it. I will remove the tag now that I know you still are. Unisouth 08:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of my modification of the template? Unisouth 11:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Brighton template banner

Hi Judith. I've moved the banner to the talk page on Stanmer House as that's usually where these go, I think. Also, I see that User: Kierant has done a similar thing with the Brighton article. Cheers, --A bit iffy 12:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Wishing you lots and lots of luck

Hi Judith, thank you very much. I'm now out of the hospital, with mixed results. Good news: my kidney function has improved enough that I no longer require hemodialysis. Bad news: I'm not as responsive to calcium channel blockers as was initially thought, so for my PH, I now have to get used to wearing an infusion pump for treprostinil and resticking myself every few days. The needles I can handle (I never knew that the tummy area was so insensitive to needle pricks!), but the medicine itself hurts quite a lot when it's being infused under your skin. I'm told that the amount of pain may lessen over time, and that different areas of the body (or even different parts of the same area) may hurt less. Meh. Still, I'm not on dialysis. I guess you have to take what good things you can get, eh? --Kyoko 23:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, you wrote: We all know that in our heads, but somehow it doesn't make life easier. All too true. It would be nice if there were a pill form of this, but what can you do? There is an inhaled form of a similar medication called Iloprost or Ventavis, but that's FDA approved only for people in worse shape than me on the New York Heart Association Functional Classification scale. There's an inhaled form of the medicine that I'm now on, under investigation for approval, but I don't know if I want to risk just getting a placebo. This whole thing's (the past few months, really) a learning experience. Thanks for listening. --Kyoko 12:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

As I just told User:Editor at Large, it occurred to me that people must be under the impression that I had gone to the hospital due to an emergency, when it was simply for followup tests to see if I still needed dialysis, and to check on how my meds were working. Sorry for any confusion, and thanks all the same. I am having signature issues, so I am signing this manually. Hope you're doing well. Kyoko 21:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, you wrote: "I don't think I did assume it was an emergency", and I guess that I'm the one making assumptions. Oops, sorry! I hope your relative will get better soon. My depression is overall better, though as can be expected, I do have my low moments at times.

The medicine that I'm now on unfortunately does hurt rather much. I don't like to take pain medication, because I've read that many types of them will counteract the body's natural version (prostacyclin) of the medicine that I'm taking, and I don't want to take the chance of them interfering with the Remodulin (treprostinil) too. There are stronger prescription pain medications that I could ask for, but I'm hesitant to try them because I'm scared of getting addicted to them. It turns out that there is an oral form of my medication under clinical trials, but I'm ineligible to participate due to my kidney insufficiency. When I wrote the article on treprostinil, I didn't expect that I would soon be taking it myself. Thanks for your praise of the article. Did you think it was too complicated (or conversely, too simplistic)? It's hard to find the right balance between using medically accurate language and using words that everybody will understand.

Totally unrelated, but could you tell me if you see my signature as anything different? I've made changes to it, but apparently only a small number of people (mostly Mac users, it seems) will be able to see the new font. Good to hear from you, and I hope your stress gets better soon. --Kyoko 22:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I wasn't sure whether to simply say "itching" (which I fortunately don't have) or use the term in the supplied info (pruritus, as well as similiar level terms (edema, vasodilation, etc.) I'm sorry to hear about your relative. Cancer is a difficult illness to deal with, something that I have seen close at hand. This will probably sound trite, but keeping the right attitude is important, because the mind has such a powerful influence on the body. Your relative will be in my prayers. --Kyoko 14:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Giving the ordinary language term in brackets is certainly an idea. As for cancer, it's important to understand that the process of chemotherapy can be very draining on an individual, that they likely won't have the energy to do things that they used to... but I suspect that you already know that. I don't know how radiation therapy affects people, since I've only had experience with chemotherapy. Er, not me personally, but my best friend in high school, and some relatives too. I will look at the square root article when I have time. I have had quite a few courses in maths (up to and including calculus), so thank you for your confidence in me! --Kyoko 14:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I am for the merge of Tuk tuk and Auto rickshaw as they are the same thing but with different names. I would keep Auto rickshaw as it is a generic name not relating to a specific builder. Should I put notices up on the articles about the merge? Unisouth 07:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brighton & Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign

It has been restored since per prod rules one need only ask. I recommend getting things linking to it and sourced so it can't be AfDed. gren グレン 00:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French/Kyoko

I'm currently learning French and German at school at the moment, so I might not need her. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 14:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I have French coursework, but a German writing exam. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 14:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] square roots, chemo

Hi Judith, I decided to make a new header. I took a quick peek at the square root article, and I understood the lead just fine. I'm wondering whether the idea of positive and negative numbers needs to be defined, or more precisely, non-negative numbers, and if so, then how to phrase it. As for chemo, there is a medicine whose name I currently cannot recall, but it stimulates the production of red blood cells, leading to increased energy. I know that the medicine is banned from competitive sports for precisely that reason. I just can't remember the name of it right now. --Kyoko 21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, I think the name of it is Epoetin. I don't know if this would be appropriate for your relative, but I hope knowing about it helps. --Kyoko 21:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Judith, I was unsure myself about how to reword the term "non-negative" precisely because of the question of zero. I don't think I've ever thought about the square root of zero. I don't think it has one, because any number multiplied by zero has a result of zero. I think it would be a good idea to ask about this on the talk page. As for reworking medical articles, it's something that I would like to do, but honestly, I'm getting a little burned out thinking about medicine, after having it so much on my mind for the past couple of months.

Speaking of medicine, did you happen to have any suggestions regarding my drafts for a lung transplantation article and the related lung allocation score? I haven't done much work on either article lately, but I feel that the lung allocation score (LAS) article is pretty much ready to go online. This is only if you happened to read either one in detail. I'm not obligating you to read them, or rushing you, but I do value your opinion.

Regarding your relative, perhaps she could speak with a dietitian for suggestions about what to eat to help improve her energy level. She may put absolute faith in her doctors, but perhaps your relative will still take advice from other medical staff. Take care as well, --Kyoko 12:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical materialism

Hi Itsmejudith! Thanks for thinking of me regarding Historical materialism. I generally stay away from articles I know I have a bias for or against (with the possible exception of BBC where I'm strongly pro but challenge myself to edit differently and usually manage it). I've glanced at the article; and I agree with Marx's line on the matter to an extent; but I can add nothing of my own to it. Nevertheless, I will watchlist it and see if I can help with the general up-keep. Thanks again! ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you so much Judith for the greeting and for the Biryani. Biryani might be originally persian, not sure. The word is derived from the verb "biryan (kardan)", so if such verb doesn't exist in hindi, then it should be persian. Actually, Sunnis and Shias have different ways of determining when Eid is. Sunnis are modern and use mathematical calculations. Shias on the other hand are less modern. They seek for the moon in the night-sky. It is hard to see the moon in the first night and apparently, in some places, the moon of the first night is not observable without telescope. Anyways, I am still fasting today. I have already joined my friends in greeting the Eid, but will hopefully enjoy the Eid tomorrow. Thanks again, --Aminz 23:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my articles

Hi Judith, I had wanted to include more about the actual procedure of lung transplants prior to putting it online. The lung allocation score article feels ready to me. I could insert the actual formulas involved (many formulas), but I'm a little concerned that inserting them will only hurt the readability and usefulness of the article. I do have a couple of concerns about these articles:

1. I don't yet know how to cite references on Wikipedia.
2. The current lung transplant link is a redirect to organ transplant, and I don't know how to change that.

You have a good idea about the Wikiprojects. Both of these would probably fit under Wikipedia:WikiProject Clinical medicine. I made changes to the treprostinil article following your advice, and started a stub on beraprost, another chemical with a similar mode of action. I hope your relative gets better, and I hope that you have an enjoyable wikibreak. --Kyoko 22:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Judith, I hope that you had an enjoyable time away from Wikipedia. After receiving positive feedback from you and User:Springeragh, I've decided to put the lung allocation score article online, as you can see for yourself. Hopefully someone more expert than me will build upon it. Thanks again! --Kyoko 14:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To help you with your welcoming of new Esperanza members...

... TangoTango has kindly written up a script that once a week lists all of the new members to Esperanza. The list can be found at User:Tangotango/New members of Esperanza; it is updated once a week, and will show all of the new members since the last update. If you're not sure if everyone who joined the past week has been welcomed, that is a great place to check! I hope that helps you in your welcome, and thank you for making a point to greet new Esperanzians! -- Natalya 18:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Your service to Wikipedia is most deserving of this barnstar. Good job! Sharkface217 21:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Judith,

I am so sorry. As you said you are going to be away for a week, I thought I can reply your email later but actually forgot to reply it. So sorry. Will reply back tomorrow where I have access to campus network. Sorry again. --Aminz 09:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. welcome back and hope you had a good time. --Aminz 09:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lung tx article online

Hi Judith, this is just to let you know that my lung transplantation article is now online. I haven't expanded it significantly beyond when you last saw it, but it looked ready enough, and I was getting sick of reading the same text over and over. According to your list of contributions, it seems that you are partially back online. I hope that you are doing well. Take care, --Kyoko 01:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I certainly hope that the article is helpful to other people, especially people who may be facing a transplant themselves. Most of my research was done online (as I guess many people do nowadays), and I noticed that the online articles on lung transplants tend to be either very general in their information and geared towards the general public, or very detailed and geared towards medical students or doctors who are continuing their education. The great thing about Wikipedia is that potentially, this article can be developed to serve both audiences.

I noticed that I forgot to add other details to the article, namely the procedure of removing the existing lung(s) and attaching the donor organ(s). I've read about how it's done, but I would have to think a bit before I can write anything. In the meantime, maybe someone else will fill in the details.

I'm glad to hear from you. If you need time away from Wikipedia, that's OK. I'm still on my leave of absence, which is why I still go online so much. I hope that things in your real life don't become too stressful. --Kyoko 13:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad picture dispute

May be you will be intrested in taking part in the ongoing mediation about Muhammad pictures in Muhammad article. If so then sign in and take part. --- ابراهيم 11:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow badge

It looks good. I think it might be good to add a sentence paralleling "In the Muslim lands the practice of ..." about the situation of Yellow badge in Christian land. Shortening the Lewis quote also seems good. Hope everything is going well with you. --Aminz 06:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Judith, I need time to cool down. Tomorrow, I'll be better. --Aminz 13:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] personal update

Hi there, I'm now being allowed a limited time online during my hospital stay. I don't have the time to respond to everyone, so I have to make this fast. Doctors have increased my dosage of sertraline, and they hope the increased dosage combined with more frequent therapy sessions will help stabilise my mood. I hope to be out of here by the weekend. I've already asked Springeragh to spread the word, but you are welcome to do that too. As a side note, I am extremely concerned about User:Editor at Large. Wish me luck. --Kyoko 20:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Briley Brothers

You're welcome. I wasn't familiar with teh case either and my knowledge of the American legal system is miniscule. Avalon 07:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A thank you note

Big thank you for the barnstar you awarded me the other day! Really made my day...thanks a lot! See ya around. ~~ Gromreaper^(Talk)/_(Cont) 03:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tired

Judith, Isn't [1] book a reliable source? It is the text book for the course Bio-ethics taught at University of California Berkeley (BioE 100 - Ethics in Science and Engineering). How can I explain this to other editors? Haven't I the right to sometimes become angry? I have requested for an RfC on this but why should it go that way? --Aminz 11:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Judith, Thanks for your reply. I don't think I have misrepresent it(or any other sources). If you can point me to any specific point, I will accept it and try to change myself. Thanks --Aminz 19:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I admit being biased through using the scholars that I like (such as Watt, Esposito, Annemarie Schimmel, Martin Forward, etc etc). But that's the case with everybody. --Aminz 19:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Meanwhile I can work on historical impacts of Christianity which I've started :) [2]. --Aminz 23:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

Hello Judith, thanks for your well wishes. I'm doing a little better, i.e. not thinking of harming myself and now out of the hospital, but my energy level is still pretty low. Because of all this, I'm not returning to work on Monday as originally planned. I wish I wasn't so, well, fragile, and I wish that it could be instantly cured, but I know that that's not the case. I guess I'll just have to make small steps in my recovery and celebrate each milestone along the way. I hope you're doing well, and I should also add that E@L e-mailed me and she said that she was feeling somewhat better. I hope that's truly the case and that she's not pretending in order to alleviate other people's worries (something that I've done far too much in my life). Thanks again. --Kyoko 02:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E@L support barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Though what you did is not so random, I, on behalf of E@L, award you this barnstar for ll your support. Randfan 18:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] depression and stuff

Hi Judith, as I explained to another user (I think it was User:Editor at Large, actually), the medication takes the "edge" off but it isn't a total fix, and it takes time for the medication itself to take full effect. I think that talk therapy is probably more effective in the long run, supplemented with medication as necessary (as it seems to be the case with me). I think part of my problem is that when I left home, I stopped treatment of my depression because at the time I thought I could handle things on my own. It worked OK for a while, i.e. somewhat low mood but nothing major, but for some reason the depression just became severe again this year. As for the rest of your message: I've never read the Tao Te Ching. I'd love to hear more about your flowers when they bloom. The weather where I am is quite seasonal and pleasant, about 15 degrees. Thanks again.--Kyoko 00:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you so much

Thank you so much for your support! I can't say thank you enough for the support that you have shown me over the past few days. It means the world to me, and has certainly helped me along the road to recovery! I will cherish forever the kind messages and "gifts" that were sent to me and think of them whenever times are rough. I didn't realise that my absence would cause so much concern, and I apologise if I caused anyone undue stress. I feel that I owe you an explanation, at least! for what happened, to return in some small way the kindness you showed to me. I will post it here as soon as possible, if you would like to know the reason for my brief departure and the links on my userpage. Thank you for sending me a message so quickly, Itsmejudith! I really appreciate it... it shows how much you care, for both Kyoko and I. Your kind words meant a lot to me and I cannot thank you enough for showing you care. Many thanks, Editor at Large(speak) 01:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad + Reform

My problem is... that any reform anywhere in Islamic history is attributed to Muhammad. If in 2 years we find that women's rights really were stupid then Muhammad will have been against women's rights and he took the first step in veiling people when the rest of the world was against it. If Islam goes the way of accepting gay marriage Reforms from 610-661 will be seen as having sanctioned gay marriage. It's not that I don't agree that the time period brought great reform--I do... but the question is what reform. Because every generation of Muslims since that time have said they are going back to how it was done in the time of the prophet. Both the "Muslim feminists" and the "Salafis" claim legitimacy from Muhammad's reforms. In one case they are carrying out Muhammad's call to liberate and make females equal. In the other they are enforcing the proper attire for women endorsed by the Qur'an and Sunnah. Which was really a "reform under Islam [from] (610-661)"? Your guess is as good as mine.

Using the title "Reforms under Islam (610-661)" implies that we could also have an article of "Reforms under Islam (662-715)". What would be the difference between the two articles? Both dates are before even Maliki hadith. There is uncertainty among many non-Muslim historians about Qur'an compilation. We don't have any real scholars of Islam writing from that time period to confirm what Islam was in those periods. My point is... if we say that any reforms happened before we actually have written history we're getting into trouble because we are legitimizing whatever view of Islam agrees with what we put as reforms from 610-661. It's not that there aren't any earlier sources... there are some... but they don't paint a full picture and this is a much contested area of study.

Can you agree that for all 'scholarly' intent and purpose a reform of Muhammad is a reform that his followers have retroactively projected upon him. That isn't to say that Muhammad didn't do anything. He did (since very few people will go as far as saying there was no prophet). But, even assuming that hadith and Qur'an are true--it would still be difficult to get Muslims, let alone others, to agree on what the reforms were. So, when we say XXX was a reform under Islam from 610-661 we are not getting into a historical debate, we are getting into a political one. That is why I think this is all wrong.

My first practical suggestion would be removing (610-661). It is clear that many Muslims have seen their reform vis-a-vis pre-Islamic jahaliyyah Arabia. Removing the time period means that we are not longer saying "this reform happened in the time period of the prophet" and therefore we aren't getting into the business of saying what "Islam is correct". It's not that we have no idea what happened during that time. Few will venture to say that Muhammad made same-sex marriages permissible (in fact, pre-modern sexual identity is difficult enough in itself). But, we cannot define the nuance of his reforms without a lot more evidence from that time period.

But now... I have a 12-15 page paper on something I haven't really read due in about 9 hours. So, I should probably start working on that. Good luck, hope this wasn't worthless. gren グレン 06:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick note: "If in 2 years we find that women's rights really were stupid then Muhammad will have been against women's rights and he took the first step in veiling people when the rest of the world was against it." Sorry, but please show me your sources. That's incorrect. Among Muhammad's wives, only Aisha was had veil, and face veiling had a different meaning back then; it was showing that the husband of the woman is rich and the woman doesn't need to work. Muslims picked these practices later and interestingly in this point were influenced by the practices of other people.

Also, the article is not written per what Islamic sects, Salafis, etc think rather based on the words of Western academic scholars. Based on what they viewed as what Muhammad did. --Aminz 06:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah! My point is religion is malleable... and people will claim legitimacy from the prophet. I am not making judgments about Muhammad. It doesn't matter what Muhammad did in regards to women and veiling. Many Muslims now believe that Muhammad prescribed the veil for every woman during his lifetime. It doesn't matter if that is true or not... but they believe that was a reform of Muhammad. Quoting Western scholars doesn't fully help. Why? because many are just repeating traditions based on their understanding of Islam from later time periods. I am not claiming that you have misrepresented the sources. I am only claiming that even when Western scholars say "Muhammad reformed" they don't necessarily mean they know exactly what Muhammad did. They merely mean that the movement started in Arabia during that time period led to these societal reforms... and they don't know exactly when these things happened. But I have a paper now on Lakatos' MSRP and realism and constructivism. gren グレン 07:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

In order to show that I have NOT misrepresented the sources (to be more precise, that wasn't my intention; I might have been careless in some cases which I don't know), I am willing to email any source I've used(i can scan the encyclopedia (encyclopedia of Qur'an; encyclopedia of Islam) articles)--Aminz 07:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The first quote from bernard lewis: article http://www.nybooks.com/articles/4557

complete quote:

“

In a sense, the advent of Islam was itself a revolution, which after long struggles only partially succeeded. After the Islamic conquests of the seventh century, there was a continuing tension between the new religion and its message and the very old societies of the countries that the Muslims conquered. Islam came, not into a new world, like Christendom in Europe, but to lands of ancient civilization and deep-rooted traditions. This tension between Islamic dynamism and the older forces of the river-valley societies continued through medieval into modern times. For example, Islamic doctrine is basically egalitarian. It is true that the equality of Islam is limited to free adult male Muslims, but even this represented a very considerable advance on the practice of both the Greco-Roman and the ancient Iranian world. Islam from the first denounced aristocratic privilege, rejected hierarchy, and adopted a formula of the career open to the talents.

”

--Aminz 07:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Judith. I was thinking of adding a section on historicity of the reforms. Judith, I appreciate your reasonable approach. Thanks so much. In fact, it is true that the most conspicuous thing about Muhammad is his military success. Within only a decade, Arabs defeated two big empires and extended their territory. In fact according to Daniel Brown (Rethinking Tradition in Modern Islamic Thought, Cambridge University Press, p.65), the view of these modern Muslim biographies is that Muhammad's real miracle, as Daniel Brown states modern historians would probably agree, 'was not a moon split or a sighing palm tree, but the transformation of the Arabs from marauding bands of nomads into world conquerors.'

I haven't read a western biography of Muhammad except that they touch this issue. But that's not all. According to Watt, "The more one reflects on the history of Muhammad and of early Islam, the more one is amazed at the vastness of his achievement. Circumstances presented him with an opportunity such as few men have had, but the man was fully matched with the hour. Had it not been for his gifts as seer, statesman, and administrator and, behind these, his trust in God and firm belief that God had sent him, a notable chapter in the history of mankind would have remained unwritten."

Gren is right. Muhammad didn't accomplish everything but he designed the conceptual structure. Watt writes: "there is Muhammad's wisdom as a statesman. The conceptual structure found in the Qur'an was merely a framework. The framework had to support a building of concrete policies and concrete institutions. In the course of this book much has been said about Muhammad's far-sighted political strategy and his social reforms. His wisdom in these matters is shown by the rapid expansion of his small state to a world-empire after his death, and by the adaptation of his social institutions to many different environments and their continuance for thirteen centuries."

So, as you can see, Watt says that what happened later also reflected Muhammad's far-sights.

But we should not forget one thing. There were other parameters besides Muhammad himself. Watt writes:

"Circumstances of time and place favoured Muhammad. Various forces combined to set the stage for his life-work and for the subsequent expansion of Islam. There was the social unrest in Mecca and Medina, the movement towards monotheism, the reaction against Hellenism in Syria and Egypt, the decline of the Persian and Byzantine empires, and a growing realization by the nomadic Arabs of the opportunities for plunder in the settled lands round them. Yet these forces, and others like them which might be added, would not in themselves account for the rise of the empire known as the Umayyad caliphate nor for the development of Islam into a world religion. There was nothing inevitable or automatic about the spread of the Arabs and the growth of the Islamic community. Without a remarkable combination of qualities in Muhammad it is improbable that the expansion would have taken place, and the military potential of the Arabs might easily have spent itself in raids on Syria and 'Iraq with no lasting consequences. "

I agree with you that the focus of that article is only on social aspects not military ones. Agreed. --Aminz 10:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I'll try to get the book. Thanks.

Regarding the suggestion, Well, that's not all. According to Watt, Muhammad had 3 gifts: 1. gift as a seer. 2. gift as a stateman 3. his skill and tact as an administrator and his wisdom in the choice of men to whom to delegate administrative details.

Regarding the first one Watt writes:

"First there is Muhammad's gift as a seer. Through him -- or, on the orthodox Muslim view, through the revelations made to him -- the Arab world was given a framework of ideas within which the resolution of its social tensions became possible. The provision of such a framework involved both insight into the fundamental causes of the social malaise of the time, and the genius to express this insight in a form which would stir the hearer to the depths of his being. The European reader may be ' put off ' by the Qur'an, but it was admirably suited to the needs and conditions of the day."

I wrote his quote about his gift as a statesman. Watt continues:

"Thirdly, there is his skill and tact as an administrator and his wisdom in the choice of men to whom to delegate administrative details. Sound institutions and a sound policy will not go far if the execution of affairs is faulty and fumbling. When Muhammad died, the state he had founded was a ' going concern ', able to withstand the shock of his removal and, once it had recovered from this shock, to expand at prodigious speed."

Now, Watt was only a historian. He wasn't a linguist. He was also especialized in economy either. --Aminz 10:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Buddha's Relic and Jetavanaramya' article

Hi there.While I was (attempting) to wikify the 'Buddha's Relic and Jetavanaramya' article ,I noticed that you had left a note on the talk page.I agree with you on merging it with another article. The article 'Ruwanwelisaya' has basically the same information under the 'Buddha's Relic' subject title,and I don't think that the 'Buddha's Relic and Jetavanaramya' is needed.Could you leave me a message on my talk page with your thoughts on this?Thanks :) Serenaacw 00:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buddhism #2

So...do you think the article needs a full rewrite or just a merge?Maybe I could mention it at the WikiProject Buddhism page,or we could just go with your original suggestion of tagging for an expert or going ahead and doing the merge if no one responds to a merge proposal.Serenaacw 09:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. One way or another a lot of rewriting will be needed. For one thing all the text assumes belief in Buddhism and there is no attempt to establish what is historically true and what is legend or tradition. No sources, no dates, nothing to indicate notability, nothing to explain where the places mentioned are located geographically. Let's mention it in as many places as possible: WikiProject Buddhism (good idea), Countering Systemic Bias (just in case) and Talk:Gautama Buddha. And I'll add more clean-up tags with the article's problems. Then if none of these get a response we will just have to merge the text into Gautama Buddha. And that I think would produce a reaction. But what do you think? OK as a strategy? Itsmejudith 09:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for your these edits .. I will be working on Islam article during this week and trying to put many references. However, my English is bad hence I hope you might do more corrections during the week :). --- ALM 10:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reforms under Islam (610-661)

Judith, Please see these changes [3]

The Encyclopedia of world history states that Muhammad's mission as a prophet included preaching against the social evils of his day. Now, Opiner wants to write: Muhammad preached against what he saw as the social evils of his day.

Opiner removes :" Islamic law transformed the nature of society and family, Jonathan Bloom and Sheila Blair Professors of Islamic and Asian Art at Harvard University state. ^[1]"

etc etc --Aminz 07:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Art professors arent a good source for sociology history.Opiner 16:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you been published after the peer review? To know how it works? Idea that theres a fact-checking army is wrong. Only a few specialists from your field.Opiner 09:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not only that source which says that. http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0231126832&id=DzLZrLh07YwC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&vq=The+social+system&dq=Islam:+An+Introduction+to+Islam+gerhard&sig=S0yIM4nlFXSYzr4a6odwsyn0Ye8&hl=en is another example (The social system used ...). But that source was enough. --Aminz 09:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Judith, please see this [4]

He is now accusing prophet muhammad as anti-semitic, the position which no scholar have ever taken. Anti-semitism was a western phenomenon. See what kind of editors I have to deal with :( --Aminz 10:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Judith, my world view has changed. Now, I don't get angry at big lies as much as I used to. I'll probably post something on my user page. I feel comforted now. --Aminz 03:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Racist wikipedians

My comment on the wikipedian concerned being a racist is not without careful consideration. See comments made on him by many users here here, here and here. This wikipedian has also made numerous sexist remarks against lady wikipedians, got blocked and persisted in making sexist remarks in his talk page. Many users have been offended by his hateful and disruptive attitude, not just me.Hkelkar 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

There are a lot of things said here that are out of order, but making accusations is not the right way to proceed. No editor in WP should ever be subjected to insults and action should be taken about such comments. If they are bad enough and form a recurrent pattern then the offending user should be blocked indefinitely. If you ever need help with such a thing then there are many fair admins that I could direct you towards. Itsmejudith 01:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I'll give this chap another chance to reform. Notice that I did not explicitly attribute any edits to him in my user page so I did not commit PA or any kind of defamation of users, just made a general remark. There are hundreds, nay, thousands of user pages that have far worse on them.Hkelkar 01:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] catchup

Hi Judith, glad to hear from you. I'm slowly recovering, and my mood has improved. It's still hard to get the energy to do very much, but I'm working on it. I am very very glad that I was so insistent about going online and alerting people about E@L, for reasons that should be clear if you've followed her contributions. I guess I happened to be in the right place at the right time, so to speak. At this moment, WP isn't so stressful, even with the whole Esperanza deletion debate, but then again, I'm not very emotionally invested in Esperanza except for the Stress Alerts page. I hope that you aren't feeling stressed from all this. --Kyoko 01:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

And the "good things happen to good people" comment was more of a sayng. I wish it was true, though! Randfan 01:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, perhaps my outlook is too pessimistic right now, because I see good things happening to bad people and bad things happening to good people. That's one reason to hope for some sort of afterlife, where rewards and punishments are distributed accordingly. I'm in the middle of a good book right now, War and Peace, but I'm not devoting all the attention to it that I should, and I find that reading a book with the deliberate intent of writing about it tends to diminish the sheer enjoyment of the experience. Therefore, I'm reading this book just for fun, and if I happen to write something about it later, that's good too. I don't mean to brush you off, but I feel compelled to do something in the article mainspace rather than answer messages, so please understand if I don't respond today, OK? I would love to hear your reading recommendations, and thanks again. --Kyoko 01:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, guess it is pretty common. I would add more to this comment so it doesn't look unkind, but I don't know what to say. Feel free to drop by! --Randfan 01:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Hello! I've requested for a mediation, here Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Reforms under Islam (610-661). Please join it. Thanks --Aminz 08:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for signing up. --Aminz 00:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A request

A recently opened Request for Arbitration focuses of possible violations of WP:NPOV and WP:BLP and possible systematic disruption of WP:RS. Some of the evidence presented centres on this discussion. As you were involved in the discussion, I thought you would like to know. It might help the project if a reading of the evidence, particularly that concerning the quoting of sources, moved you to make a comment or two on the workshop page. Hornplease 07:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I had trouble being concise too... I apologise in advance for the headache you'll come down with. Hornplease 13:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think perhaps a few diffs in the evidence and a comment or two in the workshop might be the way to go.Hornplease 14:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your "evidence" in my Arbcomm

Really was not necessary. I have always held you in high regard as an editor. Don't let my sometimes abrasive comments "shock you" (it's the Maratha blood in me I'm afraid). I am always willing to work with you regarding edits. Notice that I have not actually reverted your edits so far because they have been in good faith, verifiable and all that.Hkelkar 19:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] happy Turkey-Day!!!!

I wish you a very merry Thanksgiving! Hope you and your family have a magnificent day! So, what are you thankful for? Hooray and happy gormandiziŋ! --Randfan please talk talk to me!

Happy Turkeyday! Cheers! :) —Randfan!!

Have a great day! Please respond on my talk page (the red "fan" link in my signature). Cheers! :) —Randfan!!

I do love 'em! Thanks and hope you had a good day! Cheers! :) —Randfan!! 02:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Parviz Tanavoli

Hi Judith,

Unfortunately I don't know him. He is not very famous, at least to my generation, I believe. I also asked some friends of mine but none know him so he shouldn't be that famous. So, I am not even sure if such an article should be here in wikipedia. But maybe he has been a good actor to previous generations, I dunno. Cheers, :) --Aminz 07:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am very good. Hope you are doing well too. --Aminz 22:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam, Criticism and Non-Muslim views

Hi judith,

I noticed your recent subject heading change on the criticism section of Islam. While it seems technically more NPOV, don't you think it is too general? The content of the section consists of "critical" non-muslim perspectives and not simply non-muslim perspectives. In fact there are several, and I mean historically as well, pro-Islamic perspectives coming from non-Muslims. This begs the question of whether you wish to change the content of the section to actually reflect "Non-Muslim views" of Islam, or if you were trying what seemed to be a more NPOV way of saying "Criticism of Islam". In the latter case I would disagree with the change because it doesn't accurately reflect content, and the former I'm not sure about but it would warrant discussion. Anyway I was curious about what your thoughts were in making that change. Thanks.PelleSmith 12:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New antisemitism

I hope you don't mind me contacting you about this. I remember you commenting before (in a proposed arbitration which was not taken up by arbs except you), that this page had been a forum for POV-pushing for too long. I am also very frustrated with it. I wondered if you would be able to advise me about the workability of a suggestion which I made on the talk page without response. That is, that what is really needed is a page or pages on the history of antisemitism in recent times. Then all the manifestations could be mentioned there, including such issues as Bans on ritual slaughter and the New antisemitism page, if it remained, would just deal with New antisemitism as a theoretical construct used by some writers. I would also be grateful for any suggestions you might have about periodization, i.e. would it be most appropriate to have one page for the 20th century and another for the 21st, or would some other break date be advisable? Thanks in advance. Itsmejudith 15:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I think it is a real phenomenon, the roots of which lie in Soviet anti-Semitism. The touchstone is bogus accusations and exaggeration. In the Soviet Union this was expressed by severe limiting of economic and political opportunity. I know some would use the concept as a way to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism, but I also think it is a real phenomenon. Not sure where you might find those thoughts in a published form though. So I guess I think that the article should probably go back to Stalin and Great Russian nationalist attitudes. Fred Bauder 15:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

For the warm welcome. I look forward to working with you and being a part of the team. Unfortunately I'm extremely busy for the next two weeks or more (I'm in the process of completely re-organizing the non-profit I direct - it's like herding cats with fish for hands).

Having said that, I (so far) can't resist logging on, so I'll be around:). I'm also going to need help soon myself.

Thanks again, NinaEliza 04:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the congrats about "Weird Al" Yankovic being yesterday's FA! ~~ Gromreaper^(Talk)/_(Cont) 04:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFM

I have volunteered to mediate your case. I am not a member of the Mediation Committee, but have some experience conducting mediations. I'll only do so, of course, if all the parties consent. Please indicate on the mediation page whether you agree or not. Cheers, JCO312 00:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

Thanks, but I'm done. I have wasted far too much effort on battling with the Muslim editors that I could have spent on something I enjoyed. I thought I might be able to encourage them to actually write at least one article worth reading, but they'd rather edit war, insult Jews, and get blocked than actually contribute anything useful, and I'm thoroughly sick of it. There's going to come a point when most areas of the Wiki will be at least GA standard, but it'll never happen with a single Islamic article. get out while you can. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Holidays!

I'm going to wish you a happy holidays too, just it'll be in two days! Cheers! —¡Randfan!^{Sign here?} 17:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Judith, I just logged on to check my messages, and I want to leave a quick thanks before I drive off again. I would encourage you to leave a message for User:Elaragirl (you'll see why if you read her userpage). Thanks again, and Happy Holidays! --Kyoko 22:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CE at Muhammad

Thanks for the comments. I recently added a Survey/Vote section to the comments, and hoped that you could officially enstate your vote there. I think it will be easier to balance out the various opinions that will flow in about the matter by doing it this way. Thanks, again. — ^{`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>` (merry C–mas)} 00:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Judith, Thanks very much for your comments on the new-antisemitism page. I really find it amazing that Jayjg believes that the work of Johnson (journalist) published in a non-academic press to be more reliable than that of Lewis[5] but at the same time is this much skeptic about an article published in a famous journal.

I am preparing an RfC here [6]. I would appreciate any comment on that before I post it. Thanks.

BTW, happy holidays.

Sincerely, --Aminz 00:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hello

i noticed that you've been working on the Islam article of late, and that your edits generally tend to be of rather high quality. spurred on by User:Dev920's rather (and sometimes, i daresay, justifiably) pessimistic outlook, i would certainly like to bring the Islam article up to GA standard- and after a subsequent peer review- even up to FA. it is a concern that such an article isn't amongst the featured articles yet, especially considering the times in which we live where it's vital that these kinds of articles are of the highest quality. so i wanted to ask if you could help out with providing more inline citations to various portions of the article where there are large chunks of text with sparse referencing/citations. i think this is probably the most important issue to deal with right now. Beit Or was saying how the article doesn't go into much detail about the history of the expansion of Islam. i have the islam article of encyclopedia of islam (online) and it talks about two main issues: the meaning of the word islam and the historical development and expansion of the religion, so the latter is an aspect i will try to improve with regards to the article. thank you. ITAQALLAH 19:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

i wouldn't consider myself any good with templates, i'd think a kind of template automatically placing books into the refs section when they're used would be out of my range anyway :) i've always thought that the conventional way to present refs is by giving the name/ year/ page no. (i.e. Lewis (1992) pp. 12-14) in the footnotes and then providing all the details in the biblio section. i wasn't able to do that with Cambridge History because the book itself has different authors for different sections so i thought mentioning the bk title itself would help avoid confusion. i may alter this at some time though. nonetheless all the refs should be standardised in the conventional way, it makes things look a lot neater. thank you. ITAQALLAH 14:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

thank you for the much needed re-organisation of the bibliography section, especially as it must have been rather tedious. ITAQALLAH 18:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NAS

Please stop your talk page aggression on NAS. You've barely contributed to the article, and all your posts seem to be attempts to bait others who do. Enough, please. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. But please don't assume good faith of anonymous editors and fail to assume it of editors who've been around for several years. The anon's personal opinions about other potential articles don't belong on the talk page, regardless of his intention. We have to take steps to prevent people posting their personal views there, or else we'll end up like Usenet. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

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[edit] Merry Winterval(s)!!!! (12-22-06)

Oh, the weather outside is frightful!... But I hope wherever you you are, that it's warm and delightful! : ) —Randfan!!

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Dear Itsmejudith/Archive/Archive 02, I wish you a very, very merry Winterval! And since I don't know which you celebrate, I hope you have/had/will have a very happy Holiday!. Hope you and your family have a magnificent day, or series of days! You might wanna install the "SaucyMillionaire" font to see this correctly. Cheers, mate! :) —Randfan!!

God (or your deity/deities) bless you and your family! —¡Randfan!^{Sign here?} 02:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

-I was planning to hand these out on the 22nd of Dec. but things got in the way.... Happy holidays! —¡Randfan!^{Sign here?} 20:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

World Night Lights Map.jpg Click on image if unseen. You are a "light of the world", Judith. Nina Odell 12:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project Invite

Hi there! Thought you might be interested in WikiProject Notability. We're currently recruiting help to clear a massive backlog (5000+ articles), and we need your help! If you have a spare moment, please join and sort an article or tell your friends.

Diez2 16:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Effulgent thanks for joining the Religion Project!

You have no idea how grateful I am to have you join the project! There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of articles out there that could use the attention of someone who has knowledge of specific belief systems. Having someone who knows both Islam and Taoism is an incredible benefit to us. Yeah, I know, I belong to both projects too, but all I do is really article assessment. I'm actually kinda embarrassed to say how little I actually know about anything outside my own little fields. However, if there ever should be anything which you think I would be of any assistance on, please feel free to let me know immediately. Also, I hope in time that the group will grow large enough that we will have people with some expertise in almost all fields. In any event, you are a more than welcome addition to the project and I hope that you enjoy being in it. Again, if you ever see any article or situation which might require the attention of myself (or, more likely, someone who actually knows a bit more) please feel free to let me or the other members know. Thanks again! Badbilltucker 17:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belated happy wishes

Thanks for wishing me a happy solstice, the same good wishes to you on the winter holiday of you choice and all other days. The Local community web project i am part of as tech support, lost its phone line(don't ask!) and me and all our members lost our net connection for the last month. I've had to do lots of work over christmas to get it back together.Hypnosadist 15:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help in dispute

Can you please sign in and help in mediation of Muhammad pictures. I think you have good reasoning capability and it can help in dispute. Talk:Muhammad/Mediation is reopened today. --- ALM 14:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comments

Hi Judith. You may or may not have something to say on Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aminz; I may well too, even though in a way I would, as a friend of mine used say, sooner chew my arm off. Personally, for what it's worth, I would have thought an article-specific RfC would have been more appropriate, though unlikely to be any more productive. Palmiro | Talk 22:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The procedure is that anyone can write up a "comment", or, if a non-combatant to date, an "outside view", and then sit back and wait for other people to sign their names below it as "endorsements" thereof. Should the overall result massively favour the position of the original complainant, they can then use it in the future to thwack the complainee over the head with; otherwise, it remains meaningless. At least that's my understanding of how the process works, and perhaps I am being unduly flippant, dismissive or ill-informed. Palmiro | Talk 23:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] message

I've sent you an email. Palmiro | Talk 23:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can you lend a hand with Canary Islands history

Hi Fayssal, how u doin? I found Canary Islands in pre-colonial times in the backlog of articles to wikify. It needs work. I would have thought that it should exist, if at all, as a sub-article of History of the Canary Islands. But History of the Canary Islands just redirects to Canary Islands. I don't know how to undo the redirect. Does all this make sense? Can you help out with the structure of articles and then I will work on them a bit. Thanks.Itsmejudith 22:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I am fine Judith. Thanks for the note. I expanded a bit the lead and added references. I also redirected History of the Canary Islands to it. I'll work on the article later today. See you there. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] antisemitism page

Thanks for the clarification regarding attorneys, lawyers, et al.! I, at least, found it helpful. I can certainly understand making the edit you did, and then the misinterpretation that follows. We're working with tricky material here! Regards, Keesiewonder ^talk 18:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion related articles

Hi, thanks for the tip on announcing this WikiProject Religion. I like checking out users who give nice comment (also those who give very negative comment btw) and saw some very nice userboxes, especially on race and kindness. I also noticed a "rotary phone" userbox, but is there one that reads : still uses a rotary phone, since I do use a 1940 Bell Company phone as working phone, it's lovely. Thanks for being inspiring Teardrop onthefire 13:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Omnipotence

it is indeed an important article, and spawns intriguing discussion. i will try to look around for some good reference material on this topic and chip in sometime. ITAQALLAH 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wonderfull!! Teardrop onthefire 11:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sincerety of Muhammad

Dear Judith,

That's a very good summary. Thanks Judith. All other (possible) details/explanations can be explained in the notes(?). Thanks very much. -Aminz 00:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Judith, Aminz, I've moved the discussion to Talk:Muhammad.Proabivouac 04:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EUMC on NAS page

Hi, I see that you have expanded the context about the EUMC and so on. You also mention that this organisation has provided some statistics for the EU. I think that this should be added to the article. I read the referenced report, and it seems to me that the statistics really does not support many of the theories on the page (for instance the "leftist" component of NAS). I am not sure if my interpretation is correct. I feel the report is a bit evasive and vague. Thus, it is also hard to present it without getting in trouble. I'd like a second opinon, but I feel the some of the NAS article's Master Editors are too aggressive to be consulted. Have you seen their report? What is your opinion? pertn 11:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your reply. I agree with your long term goal of a more fact based historical article. With regards to the NAS article, I tried to write some lines with quotes from the EUMC report. [7]. To me it seems the statistics doesn't really support some of the basic ideas of NAS, but it is hard to reference it without doing OR (as I am sure I will be accused of!). Here was what I was thinking to write on the talk page:

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I think the EU section could be more fact-based. I don’t really understand why the definition is included there, but never mind that. For instance we could write:

The report from the European Monitoring Centre (2006 update of the one referenced) notes that "[T]he available studies dealing with the perception of Jews within the EU indicate that there is little evidence supporting any change in antisemitic stereotypes." The report also notes that it is difficult to substantiate a change in profile of the typical perpetrators based on statistical data. In some European countries however the data may indicate a change in profile towards "'young muslims', 'people of North African origin' or 'immigrants'".

Other quotes: "In contrast to the extreme and far left, antisemitism forms a core element of the formation and networking of right wing extremist groups. " "The impact of left anti-Zionism to this wave [of secondary Anti-semitism] remains unclear."

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I am not really sure what to to with this, but if you agree with my interpretation of the report, maybe you can formulate it better. The way it is now, I realise it will be summarily dismissed. pertn 14:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, something like that. If I'd known how, I'd award you a barnstar or something pertn 14:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Nice job on development control - many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secularism

Hi ALM. I am so sorry that your experience here has put you off secularism. I am a supporter of secularism that allows people of all religions to live together, respecting each other's beliefs. There are not many countries where that happens all the time, but there are some examples of places where there have been religious conflicts that were eventually resolved. When I visited Hungary a lady said she could not understand why Protestants and Catholics were killing each other in Northern Ireland because in Hungary these Christian groups lived together with no animosity at all. Now in Northern Ireland they have started the difficult process of reconciliation. South Africa still has many problems but it was able to end the racial conflict and oppression without violence. This gives me hope for the world.Itsmejudith 09:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Being a Muslim obviously I prefer Islamic system and hopes that it will much more respect for all religions. I used to thought that secularism also have respect for all religion but after discussion at User_talk:Tom_harrison#Muhammad_pictures and on other places, now I feel secularism is changed (or changing). Most people in west do not care about their own religion any more, they might go to church but are practically atheist. Hence they also denying respecting other religions too on the name of secularism. We have example of France and other countries that are changing their laws. The latest discussion in England against Hijab might also interest you. Hence this is new direction things are going. --- ALM 10:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

This lecture on Islam and secularism might be interesting. [8] Cheers, --Aminz 10:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I am already 1/3 way of his lecture. However, Aminz I like much more lecture that use Quran and Hadith extensively (and do not give personal thoughts at all). The lecture looks like more a philosophy lecture. He has giving general ideas. We do not have to tell west that Islam support philosophical-secularism (not political philosophy). I do not the like the idea of pleasing west. Islam likes to respact other religion and that is the base idea for me. --- ALM 10:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sharia prevents the construction of new churches and demands jizya for non-Muslims. Also proselytizing is a part of Christianity but this is a capital offense in an Islamic society. Similarly polytheism is illegal, and Aurangzeb enacted this in India for a while. Isn't insisting that religious minorities not be treated like other people disrespect? Also I think the Medinan verses of the Quran have a lot to say about Christians and Jews that couldn't be labelled respectful. Arrow740 00:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is true, as per the interpretation by most contemporary jurists, atleast to the best of my knowledge. TruthSpreader^reply 01:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I personally believe that Secularism is a contradiction to democracy. You can use any philosophy or any theory which has been developed in history by philosophers, *but* you are not allowed to use religion. On the other hand, I would like to see our Muslim countries to be democratic states of the last degree. Actually, Qur'an hasn't given us choice other than democracy (see 42:38). First four caliphs used Khilafa (a primitive tribal political system) to enforce this basic idea (I'd like a lot more space to explain this, from which I've understood this matter), and we are also expected to do so using modern institution based democratic model. Secondly, I believe that reigns of first four caliphs and most importantly of the prophet were the most democratic ones, one can even imagine. People could even question the head of the state and I know that when people started talking about revolts against Usman (ra) and it was told to him, he said that we will take action when they will take action. Hence, Islam has its punishments on the basis of actions and not beliefs, the only exception are the direct addressees of the prophet, whome God Himself decided to punish. TruthSpreader^reply 23:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought people like me who have a significant level of knowledge of Islam but reject it are believed to be damned eternally in your religion? Also in democracies freedom of religion is usually important. Secularism doesn't ban religion. Arrow740 00:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Arrow! No one is damning you (you should see ^{[Qur'an 5:69]}). Secondly, my argument regarding secularism is with respect to implementation of laws and I was not talking about freedom. TruthSpreader^reply 00:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Is that a Meccan surah? Out of personal conviction and thoughtful deliberation I have arrived at the conclusion that Muhammad was a bad man and Islam is a lie. Now, I don't care that under Islam this would have me damned obviously. I don't understand why even direct addresses of the prophet would be punished. He couldn't convince his own tribe until he used force. Ali's uncle was killed and is damned because Muhammad failed to convince him of "the truth." In Islam there is the realization that people's spread of choices is at least partly pre-ordained, i.e. nature and nurture have a huge impact on thinkng. Ali's uncle never really had a chance, same with all the other people killed. Arrow740 03:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Answered on Arrow's talk page. TruthSpreader^reply 03:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

ALM, Thanks very much for listening to it. you are right. It is philosophical. I agree that we don't need to please others. But I have a point. It is a pretty modern idea that all we need could be found in the Qur'an and Sunna. This claim was created as a reaction to the claim that the "science is enough". If many Muslims believe in this today, it doesn't make it right or prove that it has been historically the case. On the contrary, the early Muslims were influenced by Egyptions, Persians, etc etc. In fact, Watt states: "In the course of this book much has been said about Muhammad's far-sighted political strategy and his social reforms. His wisdom in these matters is shown by the rapid expansion of his small state to a world-empire after his death, and by the adaptation of his social institutions to many different environments and their continuance for thirteen centuries." The advantage that the early Islam had was its simplicity and adaptability. That was the secret of success of Islam and its early wide acceptance. What do we have now: A rigid rock rather than a mobile fluid. ALM, you say we don't have to please the West but we are influenced by the West anyways. How? West says X, we just want to say *NO*(because Muslims are all-knowing, all-wise) and we invent Y and claim that Islam says Y. Not because we want to invent something but simply because we have to say something. --Aminz 02:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe the biggest problem at the moment is our religious education. It is extremely defective, being run by clerics whose income can be threatened if they say something correct. Clergy has never been part of Islam, but as Aminz said, just as a reaction to west, we are going towards a clerical based society. Worst examples in the world are Iran, Saudi Arabia and X-Taliban regime. And interestingly, Pakistan and Indonesia seems to have a potential to go towards this path as well. I believe that if anyone of could serve our nation (umma) better, the best place would be the education. TruthSpreader^reply 03:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Education is certainly important. And you are right: The clergy institution has never been a part of Islam(that we don't need the presense of clergy for marriage and pilgrimage for example)--Aminz 03:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

To ALM, one point. Soroush (in min 56-57 I think) does say that he is not using secularism in a honorific sense, which is intrinsicly good or bad. He says that his lecture is just a descriptive one. Completing my comment above, Soroush says he hasn't seen anyone in the past who has said that you can find everything in Islam and you don't need whatsoever to look outside Islam. He says this idea was first introduced by Ikhwan al-Muslmin who said: "Al-Islam huwa al-hall" (Islam is the solution for everything). Minute 58- Minute 1:04.--Aminz 03:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Even "Islam is a complete code of life" is not a hadith or Qur'anic verse, but rather a new phenomenon immerged in Islamic society. And people consider it sacred more than Islam's original teachings. TruthSpreader^reply 03:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, my talk page has been blessed! Thanks both of you for your contributions, which I'll reply to by email to save wikispace.Itsmejudith 09:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear Judith, I am so sorry for my delay in replying to your email from which I learnt a lot. Sorrrrryyyy! Just wanted to say that I am very happy that I had the chance to know you. --Aminz 09:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islam and antisemitism

Personally I would have done a cleanup tag, not wikify, because "This article covers:" is what the table of contents is for... not an opening. (Wikipedia:Lead section) I just posted that on his/her talk page. But, something does need to be done about that lead. gren グレン 18:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Bi-polar

Thank you for your words on my talk page. :) I never really thought it was a bad thing to be manic-depressive, but sometimes people would look at me really weird when they found out—it's good to know that doesn't happen here. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  21:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your well wishes

Hi Judith, thanks. I've just been very sick from a combination of a bad cold and worsening PH. My meds have been adjusted accordingly, and I hope they work. I do seem to feel a little better and not so out of breath. Right now, I just want to avoid medical articles when I'm on Wikipedia--I've spent enough time in the hospital, and I could use a break from thinking about it! :) --Kyoko 08:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know yet. Maybe a novel or something. My concentration has just been completely gone over the last month, so I haven't read anything substantial. I was reading War and Peace, but I got distracted by other things. We'll see. --Kyoko 09:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try. And you should have an e-mail from me. --Kyoko 09:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad picture mediation

They have your name under section named "What you would do...". Can you please go and fill the place in front of your name. Thanks. --- ALM 16:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] courriel

Salut Judith, ça va? Je t'ai envoyé un message avec des liens que j'espère te sera utiles. --Kyoko 19:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Null

I tried looking at diffs and I didn't clearly see two different sides. But, it is much harder with relatively non-notable people to evaluate what is important and should be included. I think it's almost impossible not to define what is important by virtue of what we include. As to whether or not we should be refuting him: no. I don't know the situation well enough but I'll take a few stabs. 1) The medical community mostly tries to discredit him and they think he's a quack. 2) His ideas mostly don't conform to any normal standards. I personally don't like "criticism" sections because, in terms of NPOV, what is their opposite. It almost seems to me like we have a criticism section and the main body section is praise. I don't like either when it's written "Gary Null believes X but everyone else says he's wrong. Gary Null believes Y but people call him an idiot for it". If it appears that the goal of the article is to disprove him then it is problematic. You end up having to explain the conventional view of medicine to show that he is not in tune with it which takes up more space than it does about him. I don't think this really answers your question or helps... gren グレン 04:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German exodus from Eastern Europe

Hi,

Thanks for your help with the "Background" section to this article. Since you're new to this article and the topic seems to be new to you as well, I'm curious how you stumbled on it.

--Richard 19:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Eutychianism

Thanks for the reminder, I've been distracted by other tasks since happening on this one last month. I will see what I can do with the artilce as far as rewriting/wikifying in the next few days. -- Pastordavid 01:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mahavatar Babaji

But his date of birth and death are totally unknown. It isn't even certain whether he has ever really existed. Kkrystian 19:53 (UTC+1) 11 January 2007

Thanks. Kkrystian 22:33 (UTC+1) 11 January 2007

Isn't it enough to write that he's legendary? Kkrystian 20:39 (UTC+1) 12 January 2007

Yes, I think your solution is good. Kkrystian 13:54(UTC+1) 13 January 2007

Did this article get a GA status? Because I took a short Wikibreak and I don't know what's happened to it. Krystian 15:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sourcing

hello Judith, i wanted to know if you could help get cites for some of the good contributions you made in Islam#Science_and_technology. i added and sourced a paragraph in that section.. i think the content issue for the sect has been dealt with so i got rid of the stub tag, all that's really needed are some cites for the first two paragraphs. i thought i'd ask you as you probably have a better idea of the best sources to use anyway. thanks ITAQALLAH 23:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

this stuff is probably covered in Cambridge History of Islam (vol. 2B). i've been using another text about science in medieval Islam (uni. of texas press), and i believe there are chapters related to those two paragraphs (i think, not entirely sure actually). i'll be sure to look around though. thanks ITAQALLAH 23:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poll on every little issue

Please sign if any of these things applies to your understanding of this issue. Please put you name under all of the options you think would be acceptable. You can sign all or none of these, I'm hoping this will give us a more-fine grained understanding of the issue. [9] futurebird 21:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cliff

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		This is for your words of support on his talk page regarding what happened to him - the definition of what this barnstar means, "being nice without being asked". Thanks. Will (Speak to Me/Breathe)(Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash) 15:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation at Talk:Reforms under Islam (610-661)

Mediation was requested a while ago, and Ive responded. None involved in mediation has responded however. I am requesting your presence at the article to resolve any disputes. Thanks. -Ste|vertigo 01:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sugar

Hi Judith,

Can you please mention the page number for the reference you added to the Islam article. Thanks --Aminz 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Judith,

Just wanted to say hello. :P --Aminz 06:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, have a very nice and sunny day!!! Cheers, --Aminz 06:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable sources

Hi Judith!

Kudos to your great style of writing, Question: Is it common knowledge that 'The Daily mail' is not reliable? (re: 'forced conversion in UK') Historianism 06:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brits in gitmo

There are no british passport holders in gitmo. But five ex-residents (ie foreign nationals who had visa's) still remain in gitmo, this is a very important distinction, although those in the UK that want them returned to the UK don't see it that way. Hypnosadist 23:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the information about these people and their status should be added to wikipedia, probably in a sub-page. Do you think this is a good idea and do you have any links about them. Geo Swan also has a lot of info so i'll ask him if you think we should create this article. Hypnosadist 16:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion of WP:BAH - your opinion, please.

I have had the idea of expanding and renaming WikiProject Brighton to become WikiProject Sussex - this would not exclude people with a particular interest in, say, Chichester, Arundel, Worthing, Midhurst, Pulborough, Billingshurst, Horsham, Crawley, East Grinstead, Haywards Heath, Lewes, Eastbourne, Hastings, Rye, Winchelsea, etc. - all places worthy of a WikiProject - and I'm not sure that having WP:BAH as a sub-project of WP:Sussex would work. I feel that we are being too exclusive - we could attract new members this way. What do you think? - Vox Humana 8' 17:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddy

I've been trying to defend Reddy from unexplained and unsourced edits by Yashwanthkarry (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log), but he's indefatigable. I'm going to try to get some more admin help, but in the meantime, I can't revert his edits again, as I'd be violating 3RR — and his edits are disruptive and unsourced, but not vandalism strictly speaking. If you feel able to, having looked at the situation, I'd be grateful if you could revert them until I can get help. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes — we seem to be in roughly the same time zone; by the time you'd seen my message, I'd also returned to edit.

If you have reasons for retaining some of the edits, by all means do; it's only his insistence on them without explanation (or, where relevant, sources) that's been the problem. The "feudal" has been there pretty well from the beginning, I see, and it's possible to be a landlord in a non-feudal system — I'm one myself. Still, if you think that it raises problems that can't be dealt with in the text, fair enough; you're clearly far more knowledgeable on this topic than I am. I've just been watching it from the point of view of Wikipedia guidelines and policies, not expertise.

I did have second thoughts about the minister; as a general rule, though, if they don't meet the notability requirements for articles, they don't meet them for lists (that's the only criterion that makes it possible for these lists to be kept within bounds; think of what this one used to be like...). He appears on another list here, which might just about make it OK given his job. I've started an article about him (it has to be said, though, that there's precious little about him on the Internet; he doesn't seem to have been a very active politician...). I've replaced the banker under his full name (the link had no spaces, which is why it was red; with them, it's a redirect to the relevant article). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It's just Internet access that's the problem, I think (I edited for years without broadband). Knowledgeable people of any nationality would be a plus, but Wikipedia puts off most such people; I rarely edit articles in my field of expertise, because the anti-expert, pro-half-educated-loudmouth ethos makes it too frustrating. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

hi this is yashwant with respect to reddy i would like to mention that

he was the president of india from 1977 to 1981 Sanjeeva rededtwas speaker of the Lok Sabha from 1967 to 1969

refrence http://www.congresssandesh.com/AICC/history/presidents/neelam_sanjeeva_reddy.htm

[edit] Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Those few who still explain in edit summaries what they're doing seem to me to deserve recognition. Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

--Aminz 04:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I am doing fine. Thanks. How are you doing? I hope everything is going well. :) --Aminz 04:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Have a good night. Please check your email tomorrow morning. Cheers, --Aminz 04:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddy

hello itsmejudith

the list of notable reddy's shows people how reddy's have dominated the politics of Ap and South India. so shortening it down would be a embarassment to them, so i'd rather leave it there. but anyway thanks for your concern...looking forward to hearing from you....Thanks again

hi this is yashwant with respect to reddy i would like to mention that

he was the president of india from 1977 to 1981 Sanjeeva rededtwas speaker of the Lok Sabha from 1967 to 1969

refrence http://www.congresssandesh.com/AICC/history/presidents/neelam_sanjeeva_reddy.htm

Hello, Yashwant. Replying here because I'm not sure if you have a talk page. Go ahead and put him in the national politics section. It is sourced factual information and should be in the article. I know that people want the list of notable Reddies to show how people from that caste are politically dominant, but that is WP:POINT. Wikipedia is not the forum to play out Andhra Pradesh politics. Itsmejudith 21:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply from G-Dett

Thanks for your kind note Itsmejudith. You bring up important points regarding MPACUK and the all-party inquiry. In fact, I am not coordinating the informal mediation on the NAS page; I agreed not to on account of Slim's personal objections, as I believed her participation was more important than mine. I've made my positions generally known as well as offering concrete suggestions to Mackan and CJ. You could do the same, or if you like I can pass it on for you. All best, --G-Dett 14:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] you may be interested in this discussion

Hi Judith, as someone who has expressed interest in the past about extra-encyclopedic support structures, I thought you might be interested in the discussion found here: Wikipedia talk:Responding to suicidal individuals. I hope you're well. --Kyoko 01:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sharia image: woman who got 50 lashes

Judith, discuss the image on talk. I created a section on Sharia. See you there. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 18:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Please dont remove the image again without discussing it on Talk. thanks --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 19:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help ?

Dear Itsmejudith, can you please help in rewriting and improving User:ALM_scientist/Is_wikipedia_Anti-Islam (please ignore it title we are looking for new title). I will be very thankful :) best wishes. --- A. L. M. 11:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Its main purpose is dispute about Muhammad images in article like Muhammad, Black stone. I think those images will soon be part of Mecca, Islam and other articles. It is a preparation for an arbitration case. Please feel free to change its name or remove things that in your opinion are losing our focus on dispute. I know that I can trust you -:). Thank you for your help. regards. --- A. L. M. 13:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I have changed its name Including Muhammad Pictures Against wiki-policies. You can obviously still change it name to whatever your wish. Hope you will help me in improving the article and arbitration. --- A. L. M. 13:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You said "Most non-Muslim editors are nice people and they do not want to offend people of any religion". I used to think like that but lately I cannot think it any more. For example I prove on many with references that Muhammad pictures are prohibted in Islam and represent minority tradition. However, still they insist on having pictures, which is against WP:Undue weight policy. Right? Please help in solving this dispute and improving page. I will appreciate your help. with best wishes. --- A. L. M. 14:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope that you will help for long time to come and together we will be able to end this dispute. I am looking forward for your continue support. best regards, --- A. L. M. 14:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

ALM, judith is right - non-Muslim editors are not there out to offend Muslims. The primary purpose is to build a useful encyclopedia. Everything is secondary. For example, if I hate geckos, it doesnt mean I should go around in the gecko article trying to delete its pictures. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 00:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Judith, I lost your support again. I will file arbirtation case in a week and need some support with good people like yourself. :) --- A. L. M. 12:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Cohen

Hi Judith,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll do that as soon as I get free. Cheers, --Aminz 09:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Ibn Khatir says that an Indian king saw the split of the moon. Not so relevant to the discussion though :) --Aminz 08:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historicity of Muhammad

Hi Judith,

I think this article is not hard to be made a GA article :) --Aminz 10:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Jesus

Thanks, I'll take a look. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddy

"Hi Mel

"I think you may have been wrong to revert the edits by the now disappeared editor. They all just weakened claims that were unsourced in the first place. The editor also left a message on the talk page that the article is a disgrace. He is right, but all we can do without having access to relevant sources like newspaper articles or sociological studies that are probably not distributed outside southern India is to radically condense the article. 'Caste or social group' (one of the edits) must be more accurate than 'caste'."

Thanks for your message (and sorry not to have replied earlier). The trouble was that there was no way to tell (unless one's an expert) which if any of his edits were good and which weren't. For example, the non-expert knows that a caste isn't a social group; while it might be the case that the disjunction is correct here, therefore, it could also be an attempt to add a PoV to the article. Without a source or some explanation, I could't tell — and it would be obscure at best to add {{fact}} to that. I agree with you that the comment on the Talk page is correct — but again, it could have been left either by a disinterested editor who understands how bad the article is from a Wikipedia/acadmic/NPoV angle, or someone who simply feels that it misrepresents his position or views (and we both know that these articles attract more than their fair share of the latter).

When I get the chance I'll go back through his edits and see if I can find grounds for reinstating any of them. Otherwise I think that you're right: radical condensation is the only way. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Islam and antisemitism. I have noticed that you have edited the page recently. If you are a party, please visit the above link and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. Thanks --Aminz 06:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banu Qurayza

Your input would be appreciated here [10]. Cheers, --Aminz 08:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please take a look at this article?

Hi, could you please take a look at the article on Persecution of Christians -- I'd like your opinion on how to work with certain editors who recently removed a long-standing section on Persecution in Israel. Please feel free to comment as needed. Thanks, Majoreditor 04:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikification

Please note that single equals signs should not be used for headings in Wikipedia articles; see nesting. Cheers --Pak21 20:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I caught it. Looking back through your contributions, it's obvious you know this :-) Keep up the good work... Cheers --Pak21 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddy

Thank you. The process including editing, citations and cleanup will take some more time.Kumarrao 06:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re Deir Yassin massacre

Hi Fayssal!! Are you as an admin empowered to unprotect the above? It needs wikifying - and other work too. Important article. Cheers. Itsmejudith 10:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Judith. Yes i am but it is good practice to contact the admin who protected the article. He's is the one who can better decide if all disputes have been solved at the talk page. If not the second option would be WP:RFPP. Regards. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up�} 10:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the reorganization of Reddy article. I shall fill in the gaps, add a few more references and polish the article. Kumarrao 17:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Sussex

Wikipedia:WikiProject Sussex Please have a look at and join the above! --Vox Humana 8' 21:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hey there

Thanks for adding some reason to the Muhammad current debate. Your user-page is messed up with stuff over-lapping other stuff, and if I knew how to fix it, I would. I would if I could, but I don't so I won't. Stay cool Unflavoured 08:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad image

Your reason here was not a valid reason to delete the image. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 19:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secondary antisemitism

Regarding your notes on my proposal at Talk:Antisemitism. I've followed Humus Sapiens' suggestion and prepared a stub at User:AldeBaer/Secondary antisemitism (workbench). I'd like to invite you to occasionally drop by and give me more notes, with special regard to the additional sources I've included. I appreciate any advice you might have. Also, please don't hesitate to edit that page or just tell me how I should tweak it before creating the article. Best regards, —AldeBaer (c) 01:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't wait and moved it to Secondary antisemitism. —AldeBaer (c) 12:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help and the kind words. —AldeBaer (c) 18:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC) :D

[edit] Islamic Azad University of Rasht

Hi Judith,

I can't see any persian text actually. Regarding its notability, well, it is not a public university. But it is a university anyways.

Cheers,--Aminz 08:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) Yes, I like the flowers too! --Aminz 08:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad

I appreciate your attempt to find a compromise. However the material does not make sense as it is; Muhammad's raiding provoked the war. It is for reasons like these that it is better to have access to the full text as Pro does (and I do in an older edition). Arrow740 09:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

The new version is available online: [11] (last paragraph). And they were already in the state of war(Muhammad was a refugee in Medina). --Aminz 09:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compressed Air Vehicles

A quick comment about your modifications. I've appreciate the direction so given, as this article was intended for general purpose and explaining the current status of research in France versus any kind of MDI advertising.

They announce performances about their models (Citycats) that might confuse people.

The purpose of developing VPAs and VPPs is precisely to create ultra light vehicles, with a limited autonomy.

Indeed, one must be aware that with one liter of compressed air while expanded, 1 kg only can be translated on a maximum distance of 10 m. Thus,

• with a total weight of about 200 kg,
• a coefficient of rolling of 14,
• an aerodynamic coefficient of 0.24 (both being far better than those of the Citycat),
• a tank of 20000 L (i.e. 2 bottles of 50L /200 bars) and
• an average speed below 30 km/h

you can (theoretically) reach only a maximum displacement of the vehicle of 20 to 40 km.

As I didn't want to argue about this throughout Wikipedia, I only wanted to give a better general description of the compressed air vehicles technology.

Cordially yours

Kern-83 16:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow badge and antisemitism

Hi Aminz

The yellow badge is definitely related to antisemitism, because of the Nazis. This is quite independent of how we interpret the medieval period. Best wishes. Itsmejudith 10:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That's definitely correct. But my point was that it was an anti-"jewish" practice when it was applied uniformly to both Christians and Jews. --Aminz 10:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, please note that the other version of the article says that Jews were singled out for that (which is incorrect).--Aminz 10:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Judith, let's at least agree on some matters. We know that this wasn't specifically applied to Jews. The version Humus sapeins and Beit Or, and Karl Meier support says: "Over the ages, Jews were 'singled out... in ... Muslim countries..." That's obviously incorrect.

And we know that the enforcement of this was highly erratic but the intro doesn't say this. Instead it says "Over the ages, Jews were singled out..." That's also incorrect.

Whether it was antisemitism in the context of medieval Islam or not is a matter of definition. I suggest we first fix above matters which are not matters of definition but pure facts. --Aminz 22:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Viaduc de Millau

Are you the "translator of record" on this? I already made a couple of obvious correx before I realised it was an official translation project.

I'm a professional technical translator with knowledge of the Millau region. I could easily knock this off in an hour or so — but is it OK to just do it? Cheers. El Ingles 15:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message on this. I'll do it on monday. El Ingles 23:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I now realise that Max Naylor is the "translator of record" if anyone is. In any case, I have completed the travail other than one final pass. El Ingles 21:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't see promoting the Causse Rouge to article status. It doesn't have its own page in the French wiki, and in fact isn't even mentioned in the French wiki article on the whole Regional Natural Park. The Causse du Larzac has a very strong identity, because of the roquefort cheese and the acrimonious political protest movement of the '70s (in which I was a minor participant, incidentally). I agree about the Trivia section. Maybe it could just disappear one dark night... Cheers. El Ingles 22:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sock puppet

My edit summary was enough to let you know what I was doing. It was redundant for me to leave a notice when you get a "new message" notification automatically when I edited your user page. Anyway, do what you like. If you want to accept a barnstar from an obvious sock puppet, its up to you. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

Sorry, can't really help you out since I'm in Europe. I may take a quick look but I wouldn't be able to keep up. These things last a while so if it's still on when I get back I'll help then :) ---gren グレン 22:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad

Why did you simply remove this material? Why didnt you just move it to the bottom, or reword it so your concerns are addressed? It looks like you too dont want the material on that page. Whats up with that? Isnt this all highly sourced and relevant material? --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 14:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Then add it back in right now. ALM has removed it. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I dont know where his post is. You did the change. Why dont you tell me why you removed it? --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of diffs from BYT. Provide me the correct diff. Since you have made the change, you must stand behind your edit fully. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Whats your own response to other people's comments? When this incident has been reported by so many sources, what problem do you have with it? --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You havent defended your edit in any way. In future, please dont make edits which you're not willing to explain or defend. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 16:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad

Hi Judith,

If you have time, I would be thankful if you could take a look at Arrow's representation of Peters and Robinson and Lewis here and here and here. This sort of representation reminds of another editor's taking quotes out of their context and this is becoming painful. --Aminz 09:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

While I hope your pain is not too severe, it has been demonstrated on the talk that you are misrepresenting sources in an attempt to show that I have done so, which I haven't. Arrow740 13:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solar shingles

Can you import the image http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/images/photo_06286.jpg so that it can be used in the article about building integrated photovoltaics? It is from http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/photovoltaics.html Since no credits are given it is PD per US DOE. Description is "These roof shingles are coated with PV cells made of amorphous silicon and look much like ordinary roofing shingles."

[edit] Solar Power

Hello... I've requested the solar power article's name be changed to solar energy. Do you support this change? Mrshaba 08:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation and our Appreciation for your Contributions

Hello! I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Dravidian civilizations. We work on creating, expanding and making general changes to Dravidian related articles. If you would be interested in joining feel free to visit the Participants Page! Thank You.

Hi,

I have noticed that you have posted in the to do list on our old Wiki page about work to be done on the Reddy and Reddy dynasty. Just letting you know that your contributions are appreciated. I am also glad to see that those articles have expanded. Once again, you are most welcome to join our group in regards to improving Dravidian related articles. Regards. Wiki Raja 00:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Sorry but.

Sethie tried to delete that racist tripe from the antisemitism talk page but the editor insisted on reinstating it. I will not suffer the amtisemtism of others on any talk page. I think its a good idea to leave it on there for a while and give others a chance to read and share my anger at having had to put up with it in the first place. I will in fact go to Alice Bailey page and try to fix it and perhaps ruffle some feathers over there. But please do not expect me to sit idly by while racial epithets are being hurled at us from the grave by Alice Bailey. EVENTUALLY I will revert that offensive crap myself. You should do whatever you think is best. Thanks and have a nice day. Albion moonlight 15:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all read this latest quote from Eaglizard on the antisemitism talk page and you will see he or she does in fact know what I am referring to.

"Parenthetically, I'd like to assert that this is exactly the kind of attitude that makes discussion of antisemitism so damned volatile in the first place. I doubt Albion had ever even heard of Alice Bailey before this; now, he knows without question she was both a racist and "crackpot". Assuming he's never read even one of her books, I must assume he draws this conclusion because: someone else said so. And thus the circle of hatred continues... "

He or she claimed on my talk page to not know what I was referring to. All one needs to do to realize that many Jews find her to be an antisemite is google her with antisemitism and the perhaps racism. Eaglizard evidently doesn't buy that she was an antisemitic. Do you like to be referred to as residue ?? And what about these following anti Zionist remark from Ms Bailey.

"These Forces of Evil work through a triangle of evil, one point of which is to be found in the Zionist Movement in the United States, another in central Europe, and the third in Palestine. Palestine is no longer a Holy Land and should not be so regarded. "

Anti-Zionism is to many of us a form of racism. One thing that Eaglizard is right about though is that until today I had not heard of Ms Bailey. But when i did a little research I found out about her and thus think that User Sethie was absolutely correct when he deleted that garbage from the antisemitism talk page. A modicum of sensitivity on Eaglizards part would have prevented this whole mess. As I said before I will try to allow this argument to go to Bailey article but do not expect me or others to allow some apologist to stuff this antisemitic garbage down our throats without a fight. That is not going to happen. Albion moonlight 19:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OK Then.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Eaglizard is intent on bringing this to the Antisemitism page. I assume he thinks that he is being neutral. The fact of the matter is that if he insist on bringing this stuff to the antisemitism page he may find that there are those besides me and Sethie who find it to be offensive. I am going to wait and see if Sethie redeletes the offensive material. If he does then I will back him. If he doesn't then the dispute will in all likihood go back to where it belongs. It has always been as simple as that. I do not want to see the dispute continue on the antisemitism page. But if I am able to help stir things up over on the Alice Bailey page and gain consensus then perhaps Eaglizard will regret his insensitivity and refrain from the type of behavior he displayed up until this point. I will be civil but I can see no good reason not to defend my own position. Neutrality does not mean giving in. It means trying to see things from both sides. I can do that. Thanks for your time. Albion moonlight 21:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aw Gee whiz and Kwork

As it turned out Eaglizard was not the one who posted those Alice Bailey quotes. It was a User named Kwork . Unfortunately the were no WIKI SIGNATURES of him or her on that section of the Antisemitism talk page. I am probably going to go over to the Bailey talk page like I said I would. But I am no longer at odds with Eaglizard over this matter. He or she has every right to defend Bailey. I now doubt that this matter is going to stain the antisemitism page any further. Albion moonlight 06:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

That is incorrect. The only thing I ever posted to the Antisemitism talk page is one short message yesterday. The extensive Alice Bailey quotes were from an editor of the Alice Bailey article who does not sign her name. I think it was appropriate for her to do that because it was in the context of a suggestion to expand the Antisemitism article to contain a section on New Age Antisemitism, with the Bailey quotes as an example of the nature of the problem. Kwork 19:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

You are being recruited by the Money and Politics Task Force, a collaborative project committed to ensuring that links between government officials and private-sector resources are accurately displayed in relevant entries. Join us!

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[edit] Hi Judith

I allowed myself to get sucked in to the conversation over at the Bailey talk page. There is now a person who is on the arbitration committee over there. It is starting to get very interesting indeed. I don't know why he is there but he seems neutral enough so far. Anyway it was good to see you chirping in as well. So I just thought I would say hi. Albion moonlight 23:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solar Power

Hello Judith,

I've been aggressively working on the solar power topic. Do you think my recent additions and consolidations are ok? Can you change the name to solar energy which I think is a more correct name for this topic? Mrshaba 06:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solar Power edits explanation

We're basically discussing these changes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solar_power&diff=81995864&oldid=81972643

I usually don't comment on edits too much, but since I'm asked to deliberate, here is what I think my motives must have been at the time. I basically felt the additions were too verbose, and lessen the quality of wikipedia. The first change was removing the sentence: "However, this is not the same as the amount of solar radiation (insolation) reaching the earth's surface." To me this statement seems self evident from the paragraph"

Solar radiation reaches the Earth's upper atmosphere at a rate of 1,366 watts per square meter (W/m²).^[2] While traveling through the atmosphere, 6% of the incoming solar radiation (insolation) is reflected and 16% is absorbed resulting in a peak irradiance at the equator of 1,020 W/m� .

However it is a matter of taste what's self evident enough, and where Wikipedia's level of explanation should be, what's explained to death, and what's not enough explanation.

2nd, the dates, you already commented on - that was what got me started in the first place to undo edits, years highlighted like that felt bad faith to me, and influenced my overall decision.

3rd, as far as the Sunpower spam goes about 21% efficient solar panels, I'd like to call your attention to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nrel_best_research_pv_cell_efficiencies.png

Note that the highly efficient single crystal silicon panels are more expensive to produce than 8% efficient amorphous silicon cells, and in the end the $ cell cost per watt delivered what counts. Suppose a 7% eff. panel is 10x less expensive than a 21x eff panel, then the dollar per watt delivered for the 7% panel is 10x/(21/7)=3.3x cheaper than the somewhat more efficient but much more expensive 21% eff panel. The currently achievable solar-to-electric conversion maximum is 36% based on multijunction exotic materials (gallium arsenide, indium telluride, etc.) that are nowhere near the price ballpark of silicon, so their only reasonable use is for satellite and outer space applications, while most handheld calculators happily use 8% efficient amorphous silicon. Of course real estate value counts too, so the higher efficiency cells gain a little extra financial benefit, but not enough to tilt the dollar per delivered watt figure in most cases, especially for largescale cases such as deserts, where real estate is cheap. So these efficiency numbers should really be covering the range of 8-21%, and 15% feels like a happy medium, without putting all this noisy deliberation into the article itself at that 15% remark. Conciseness in the main article is a virtue, every single word must count. On talk pages, "if I had more time I would have written a shorter version" is acceptable to me.

Your edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solar_power&diff=next&oldid=81971083 on this topic seemed unnecessarily verbose compared to the prior more concise sentences, and while surfing through your individual edits, especially highlighting years that add no value to the content, I got an overall impression that made me see what a full revert would do, and I didn't mind the result.

I apologize if this offended you, but these pages are dear to me. I agree a lot of these decisions are a matter of taste, but somewhere along the line one has to assert taste of style to keep wikipedia from deterioration, even when that taste hasn't been fully formalized, which is impossible to formalize for all cases anyway.

I would agree with a concise edit of the sort "resulting in a peak irradiance at sea level at the equator of 1,020 W/m�", which, now that I look at it, is meaningful content that my edits lost, because the paragraph isn't specific whether it's on top of Kilimanjaro or at sea level, and you're welcome to do the edit. In now way am I trying to bite your head off and keep you from modifying this article, you shouldn't take all this I wrote here to heart too much, I'm happy when people contribute, but that sometimes goes with other people just simply trumping out what you do, as it often happens to me too, and I just move on. No big deal. If you had reverted back my reverts, I would have waited for a 3rd person to pitch in and arbitrate, but as far as my first reverts are concerned, I do them boldly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillybilly (talk • contribs) 04:42, 18 October 2006

[edit] Hkelkar

I wouldn't worry too much; when he's been identified he usually gives up that account. Hornplease 18:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canaanite period

Hi Itsme. Re the article Archaseology of Israel (or in Israel, or whatever it is): to the best of my knowledge the terms used are Bronze Age and Iron Age rather than Canaanite and Israelite - tho I'm open to persuasion. Do you have the refs? PiCo 06:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anna Wilding

On the one hand, I want to thank you for joining in on the work for Anna Wilding, and on the other, I feel sorry for you. The original writers of the article are very uh, defensive about it. But really, thank you. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 21:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Er, see what I mean? — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 21:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you care to reply to my comment about inviting WP:ACTOR people in? Please note, this is not meant to say you not capable, because I think you are, but because they can't make the claim that those people are not knowledgeable. ANd having more eyes and editors on the topic can only do it good and bring it up to Wikipedia's standards, even if it offends the original authors. :) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 22:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Er, I meant replying on the Talk:Anna Wilding page, to show agreement, and to make it harder for them to suggest that that's inappropriate.  :) Thanks — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 23:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Johann Hari

Hi. This is a quick note about the editing of the Johann Hari page, which I know you've helpfully intervened on in the past.

As reading though the page's history will show, the user Felix-Felix has described Hari as "a self-publicising careerist, and an especially unpleasant one at that", accused him of being in favour of "the destruction of Untermenschen" (when in fact he is an Amnesty International award-winner), inserted fictitious claims he went to the most exclusive public school in Britain when in fact his father is a bus driver, and, most crucially, inserted poorly sourced claims that he "fabricated" a story he wrote about.

This is a pattern of falsehood and animus that really worries me. This user is now insisting on his right to reinsert the claims that hari farbricated a story, sourcing them to a magazine that wiki administrators have already said is not reliable. What can I do in this situation? - DavidR81.129.156.202 12:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dave r has been smearing me with these accusations, one of which is false, the other taken out of context, and utterly irrelevant. He has also posted this defamatory message on multiple other user talk pages; [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20]. This is starting to feel a little like harassment, and not in a good way. FelixFelix ^talk 14:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick question

Hi Judith, I notice that at one time you went though Alice Bailey and lower-cased all the words in the headings ('cept the first ofc). I've seen this happen enough to understand it must be policy, but I haven't found where it's discussed. Do you know of a WP space page that goes into this? I'd really like to read some of the reasons why that consensus came about (since I don't really understand it). Or is it something simple like server mechanics? Anyways, if you happen to have a link to that, would you drop it off at my talk page? Thanks a bunch :) Eaglizard 20:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Judith! I had seen that in MOS, and a few others, but there's not much discussion about the why of it (I realize I meant to say a meta space page, not WP, where there'd be more hashing it out). But, it really looks like its just an adopted policy like most of the rest taken from Chicago, et al. More to the point, the little discussion I do see tells me that I'm just in a small minority for believing headings should make themselves visually distinct from the textual flow by using Title Caps. :) Not exactly worth wasting anymore time on this issue, I reckon. Thanks again! Eaglizard 23:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alice Bailey article

Hi Itsmejudith,

I can not remember if I mentioned it at the time; but I thought, and still think, that your edit for the Controversies section [21] was an excellent. With continuing discussion, and revisions, there still might be a chance to use it in the article.

I also want you to know that I appreciate your participation in editing and in discussion, even if you almost never agree with my views. I do consider your neutrality, in a polarized situation, very helpful, and I can live with being told I am wrong. Kwork 17:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnam collaboration

Should we start a new Vietnam collaboration? In order to get more members into it, I wonder if we should send notices, the way the WPFOOD people send a newsletter to members each month. Badagnani 21:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solar power

Judith,

While I disagree with you, I respect your position on the name change. I've asked Johnfos and Oldboltonian for their input but I would like to widen the audience. Where else could I post this question? Mrshaba 09:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your suggestion may get buried amongst the other comments.

It was a good suggestion but it likely to be argued that the article is more important than the co-operative spirit. Each faction claiming that there ideas are better. I think that Parsifal has a better Idea about what a balanced article is supposed to read like, But with that said I am not opposed to your idea. : Danny Weintraub : Albion moonlight 12:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I think its an improvement. If it were left up to me I would hire Catherine Yronwode to write the whole article. She is a pro and her participation in that article and its discussion thus far has helped change the tide. : I must sleep now .... Danny Weintraub. : Albion moonlight 12:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Four corner soccer

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The problem is simply that in order to rename an article, it needs to be moved to the new name, not copy-and-pasted because that looses the revision history (which is a GFDL no-no). I've tagged the new name for deletion, after which I'll do the move correctly. — Coren ^(talk) 15:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorted. I did the delete and the move. The article is now Four corner soccer with a redirect from 4 corner soccer. Regards Tonywalton  | Talk 15:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A REQUEST

Dear Itsyoujudith, watching your performance with the article on Bhavabhushan Mitra, I feel tempted to submit an English text which, translated from French in a semi-automatic programme, has undergone a terrible look, especially mixed up with prepositional usage. Can you help ? Anticipated thanks.--BobClive 07:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip. Unfortunately, the text I spoke of is, not a Wikipedia page and is longer than an article. I am looking for an expert who could accept a "friendly gesture" of thanks for the work. Congratulations for the deserved recognition.--BobClive 05:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Your approach to the article on Bhavabhushan Mitra permits me to expect that you carry on cleaning it up (as well as the other articles I have written in the series). Thanks again.--BobClive 07:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BAH

Hi Judith. WP:BAH was recently tagged as inactive, although, as I've been doing some BAH-related stuff, I removed the tag. Can we try and get it going again, or do we close it down?--Voxpuppet (talk • contribs) 12:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on User talk:Yitzhak Hudas

Your being incensed is perhaps understandable, but in making your allegations of incivility, you were, yourself, incivil, especially with respect to your apparent assumption of bad faith in accusing said user of being a sockpuppet. Please review WP:BITE. Tomer^talk 12:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antisemetic publications

Judith - any magazine that praises Hitler is almost by definition an anti-semitic publication - I really don't see how it could be otherwise. The minute one crosses the line from ideology to endorsement of subjugation or extermination campaigns and those who promote them(be it the subjugation of Jews, Hutus or Darfurians), one has crossed the line from justice to hate. Best Egfrank 12:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm copying the above comment and your response (and my response to your response) to Talk:Dalit Voice so other interested parties can follow the discussion. Egfrank 13:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry.

It's just wigger linked to chav until just now, so I thought I'd make it a two-way link. HalfShadow 21:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Admittedly, I meant as a 'roughly means the same thing' sort of synonym; it's not like you'd ever hear the term used here. It's a moot point now, though. HalfShadow 21:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satanic ritual abuse and Adam

Hi Judith, I have responded to your call for explanation of the used sources in the chapter of the Netherlands on the satanic ritual abuse page.

You are right about the Adam case in Great Britain. It had nothing to do with satanism. A few years ago we had a similar case in the Netherlands when parts of an unidentified little girl were found on different places througout the country. When inspector Will O'Reilly from Scotland Yard heard of this case, he came to the Netherlands where he claimed that both the boy in London as the girl in the Netherlands were victims of so called muti murders. Muti means medicine. The children have been killed by a medicine man, O'Reilly said. He based his claim on information he had gotten from a pathologist who had heard it from a friend in South Africa.

When a Dutch television newsmagazine called me to ask if the Dutch girl could be the victim of either a muti murder or satanic ritual abuse, I told them that this was not likely. The claim of the inspector was probably nothing more than a friend of a friend tale (a contemporary legend), which the media only were covering because an assumed expert from Scotland Yard was telling it. Therefore I advised the newsmagazine not to focus on the claim of the inspector alone, but let more critical or sceptical scientists speak on the matter too. Unfortunately the newsmagazine did not do that. Later the police found out that the little girl was killed by her stepfather and her mother. They had cut the little girl in pieces to make identification more difficult. So there was nothing satanic about that murder and it had nothing to do with muti either. Criminologist1963 15:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harrassing of editors

Hi Judith,

As you know, I and other editors of the satanic ritual abuse page are confronted with the biased view of Biaothanatoi. He removes large pieces of chapters or chapters entirely which do not support his believer view on satanic ritual abuse, and replaces this every time with a biased text.

Is there any way that Biaothanatoi can be stopped doing this? Could you please look again at the discussion page of satanic ritual abuse?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Satanic_ritual_abuse#Neutral_stance_toward_satanic_ritual_abuse_in_the_Netherlands

Since I am relatively new to Wikipedia, I do not know other people to ask to look into this matter. Could you discuss it with some colleagues of yours? I would appreciate that very much.

Yours sincerely,

Criminologist1963 11:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bans on ritual slaugher

Greetings. Hopefully, you'll be pleased with this. I moved (i.e., renamed) the bans article to Legal aspects of ritual slaughter. This doesn't rule out the possibility of merger into the main article ritual slaughter, though I don't think it's necessary anymore myself. Thanks, HG | Talk 23:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that recently you carried out a copy and paste page move from Shannon olympic to Shannon Olympic. Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Russ (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BHAVABHUSHAN MITRA

Dear Itsmejudith, no history book in India ever mentions such marginal characters like this, for a simple reason: the fact of having existed and acted according to their conviction (which preceded and prepared the field for Gandhi's non violent method). In my quest for Truth in History, I keep on insisting on their undeniable contribution, trying to save them from oblivion, so that Future may decide what to do with them. I think some more considerate enthusiasm will be required on behalf of fellow editors/users to understand my perspective.--BobClive (talk) 08:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your removal of sourced content

Please stop removing the opinions of notable Islamic scholars. NPOV require that we present all the notable opinions that exist. -- Karl Meier (talk) 10:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you know that. -- Karl Meier (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solar energy

Judith... I've spent a lot of time separating the definitions of solar energy and solar power in a reasonable way. I managed to get the page's name changed based upon the uniqueness between these two terms. I have written letters to many national and international organizations involved in solar energy and the responses indicate that many organizations recognize a clear and specific association of the term solar power with photovoltaics and concentrating solar thermal technologies. Solar power technologies generally deliver electricity and sometimes high temperatures for various processes. Solar energy technologies are more generic.

I have asked a prominent renewable energy guru to do a write up on the relevant distinctions between these terms. Would that convince you? Mrshaba 22:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sklar wrote a small write up on the distinction between solar energy and solar power here: [22] Mrshaba 22:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Which includes the reply, "Tom, glad you finally got everyone straightend out on power vs energy. Too bad Scott didn't get it right in the first place. He really does know better." This about "Tom" stating that energy is the integral of power over time, which is what I have been saying all along. 199.125.109.41 18:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The note section is a good idea. I'm just now performing a calculation to update a wind number we have. I'll see how you handle the placement of a note tag and then follow your example with my calculation note. I'll also order some Susan Roaf books. I'm actually thinking about going into architecture so this fits with my career path. Mrshaba 18:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little confused. What should be going in the Notes section and what will be going in the References section? Mrshaba 21:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

OK... so you're planning on working through all the references then. I'll help where I can but I'm spinning a couple plates already. Hope you like the picture resizing. Do you know of any problems the picture sizing can cause? And I'll check out the Islam page. Mrshaba 22:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow. I looked at the references on the Islam page. That's going to be a lot slow and methodical work so I will definitely help out. Mrshaba 22:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking about how to do the citations a bit more. I'm thinking about almost being ready to get started on the references. The FA, Renewable energy in Scotland [23] might also be a good guildline to follow with notes and references. Mrshaba 16:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Judith. I'm going through some of the references and trying to add pages to the references. For now I'm going to add the page references as hidden notes. I think A Golden Thread is referenced several times so I'll do those for now. I don't know how picky we want to get. Do we need a reference for every date, efficiency and statistic that is used? I know I should read the reference manual but I'm spinning several plates as I said. I thought you might know what to do with the page numbers in the Harvard style you're working on. For example:

"Solar hot water systems use sunlight to heat water. Commercial solar water heaters began appearing in the United States in the 1890s. These systems saw increasing use until the 1920s but were gradually replaced by relatively cheap and more reliable conventional heating fuels."

Do we need to put a reference tag for 1880 and then another in the next sentence for 1920?

Also, I subscribed to the ISES journal Solar Energy today. My subscription includes electronic access to back issues. If I find good references while reading through these back issues should we update our website reference tags to this more scholarly work? This is subscription only material. Mrshaba 04:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been out of town for the weekend but returned to see your nice edits on the page. I retweaked some of the material (storage/mechanical) but I agree with everything else. Mrshaba (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Cutting text is not a to do. That is Anon's opinion and I think our quick review of FAs clearly indicated that comparable articles come in at comparable sizes. The text in the PV section that clearly needed cleaning is the bottom rambling half. Over the last few days I've been working on a redraft of the whole section. I'll incorporate some of your wording but I'll be bringing in new material and bringing back material that you removed. As for slimming the page I think the section will come in smaller than it currently is. Mrshaba 10:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helge Thiis

What is your basis for the demand for an expert? I may very well be one. Just a handful of people, including his family, may have known him better than me.--Frode Inge Helland 23:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purgatory

Hi Judith! Thanks from coming to help out with the RFC. Since you're here, I was wondering if you could look over the Proposed New Version I wrote, to see if you think it would be a step in the right direction. Basically, I feel like the current version would be very difficult for a general audience to understand-- the current version uses a very dense, jargon-filled writing style that I think is very problematic.

When I wrote it, I actually had naively assumed no one would object to it, but actually I've had trouble getting it to stick, so any advice you could give, one way or the other, would be most welcome. :) --Alecmconroy (talk) 17:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey-- thanks for comment at purgatory. Just to clarify, do you have an opinion on whether the rewritten version is better than the old version? There's been much debate about the subject-- I spent a lot of time on the rewrite, but a few people don't like it, so we could use all the definite opinions from uninvolved people that we could get.

I'll try to take a look at Virgin Birth of Jesus. --Alecmconroy (talk) 10:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Neither you nor Lima cited policy in defense of Dragini. Self-published web sites are violations by default, and there's no blanket exception for academics or theologians. I was hoping that this issue might force Lima to cite policy, but I'm not sure I've ever managed to make him even read a policy or guideline page. So I haven't been given a policy reason not to delete Dragini, but I don't want to ostracize you, either. Also, I'm not sure what you want to see happen on Virgin Birth of Jesus. The page is far from good, and I'm willing to help, but I don't know what to do. Finally, you speak even a word of Catalan? Estic xocat! (That's about all I remember from a failed love affair in Barcelona lo the 20 years gone.) Leadwind 02:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Your point about experts' self-published material is worth addressing. For one thing, I'd like to address it on the talk:Purgatory page. Personally, I don't think that Dragini qualifies for the exception, but you have found the crux of the issue. For another thing, I'd dearly love for Lima to be the one to cite written policy in Dragini's defense. It would demonstrate that he is taking policy and guidelines seriously. Maybe seeing you cite policy like this would be an edifying example, but is there any way you could nudge Lima to look at the policy page himself and make this argument? If he were to start making his points in reference to policies and guidelines, that would really help the discussion. And, yes, we need more people. If you can corral competent editors, that would be nice. This is the second time Alec's tried to help, and the second time his work's been reverted. But even with just the few of us, there's some progress. Back when it was Lima and me, there was no progress at all. Leadwind 00:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Judith, what next? Do you and I debate this issue between us? Do we take it to the talk page? Can you try to get Lima to look at the policy himself? I don't want to sound uncompromising, but Dragini doesn't stack up and is being used to support Lima's POV. I want to remove the material or at least make my case for removing it. Leadwind 01:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar for cooperation

		The Half Barnstar
		Civility, requests for clarification, reasonableness and cordiality. All excellent reasons to get a barnstar! Congratulations and thanks! WLU (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hegemony theory and world-system analysis

Thank you for your comments on the Hegemonic stability theory article. I think both schools (hegemony theory and world-system analysis) are needed to shed some light on the subject for most readers. I have made some complementary proposal at Talk:World_System_Theory that may clarify this approach. Again I appreciate your advice to a novice editor. --Henri 21:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your sound advice. I must tell you that I am not a social scientist, or even a social science student, at all (!), but an information technologist (!!) with an interest in history and political economy. Yes I too found David Harvey both very accessible and interesting. I think Neoliberalism is a masterpiece. I realise now that I was trying to do a synthesis that may not help anyone at all. My reasoning was that in order to understand the current international position, and within this the overwhelming US' role in world affairs, its hegemonic role, both currents of balanced powers and world-system anaysis may be needed. As a Frenchman I was very puzzled in the way the US' Vietnam war was waged. Giovanni Arrighi called the (relative) military setback in Vietnam (really Indochina) the signal crisis of US' hegemony. When I read McCormick it became luminous: the US, back in the mid 50's, had to ensure a market - and thus a place in the world-system - for Japan. Thanks for the tip about Critical Theory - following up. Henri (talk) 19:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cold fusion

Thank you for your edit today. Did you find the article OK ? Was it biased ? Do you see a justification for the reversion to a 2004 FA version by ScienceApologist ? If not, I would appreciate if you could revert his change. Thanks. Pcarbonn (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Judith,

Thanks for helping with splitting of the moon. Hope everything is going well with you!!! Best, --Aminz (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. Hope everything is going well with you!!

I have recently extended the range of the articles I am editing. Thanks for mentioning Islam in the African diaspora. I'll take a look at it. Cheers, --Aminz (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! Thanks for your insight with the Bill W. page. Sometimes the discussion can get heated, and it is nice to get a fresh perspective. I hope you decide to continue with the work on that page, since your edits have been really good and your insight on point (although it dosn't neccisarily mean I agree with your opinion, its good to have someone who has earned your respect disagree with you)...if you want another fun page, try checking out the Alcoholics Anonymous page...thats another one where personalities come out in full force.Coffeepusher (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much Judith for adding the article to the ICU. Much appreciated. --Aminz (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Regarding Cold fusion, to be honest, I was always bad in chemistry in school. I read part of the article and it seems it can get very technical. But thanks for the suggestion. Hope everything is going well with you! Cheers, --Aminz (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Opinion on Bhavabhushan Mitra

I would like a second opinion on the above article. The issues on its Talk Page seem to have been addressed, but as I am an Apprentice Editor I want to be sure that I'm doing the right thing in discharging it and putting it in the Article Archive. Please reply on my Talk Page. Kathleen.wright5 —Preceding comment was added at 07:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satanic ritual abuse and mediation

Would you care to post at Talk:Satanic ritual abuse#Propose formal mediation, where I have asked if involved editors might agree in principle to formal mediation? <eleland/talkedits> 17:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article not been treated

I have discharged the article Bhavabhushan Mitra from ICU, but no one has been near my article Esanda Finance Corporation Ltd since I admitted it into ICU on 25 September 2007. It has issues about notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Another User is working on it User:-The Doctor- but he may be with the Country Fire Service in South Australia Adelaide Hills area from November - March - South Australian Bushfire Season. What do I do about this? Kathleen.wright5 08:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes a gentle message sounds like a good idea but I would'nt know how to word it, and thanks for the help on my article. Yes you can merge it. Kathleen.wright5 09:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

yes that sounds fine, who's going to deliver it and how. I noticed on your Userpage that you're a member of WP:Brighton, there's also a Brighton in Adelaide South Australia Brighton, South Australia Kathleen.wright5 11:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help with ICU

That's probably not a bad idea, though I've never done it before. I've been pretty slow on Wikipedia lately due to heavy workload and the holidays. If you'd like to take on the task, I'd be most grateful. Thanks! - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Dr. Katherine Siva Saubel

I have just removed the triage tag and moved this article into the treated article/Archive Page. Kathleen.wright5 03:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purgatory

hello Judith, i added the respective citation. i was also looking at the Jahannam article itself, it might need some work. Gehenna does correspond to Jahannam in part, as the Encyclopedia of Islam says, in that there may be some who reside therein only temporarily. i wouldn't say that Purgatory corresponds with the Islamic conception of Hell, but it would be interesting to see the literature on the topic. ITAQALLAH 22:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello Judith. Thanks for your comment on the Merritt Ruhlen talk page. You are right that the last edits of the User: 66.245.23.173 are much more moderate and don't have to be called vandalism, perhaps, but this has been the third time that s/he doesn't provide the sources of her/his statements. The wording s/he so often uses might be considered insults by those who do agree (be it partially) with some thoughts of Ruhlen's (changing "most linguists" to "linguists" implies that the minority - and we all agree they are a minority - either doesn't exist, which is a lie, that they are not linguists, which is another lie, or that they are linguists of lesser qualities, which might be true, but cannot be proven, can it? While we would all agree Ruhlen's ideas are controversial (some, perhaps, extremely controversial), it should be explained not only who thinks so, but also why, shouldn't it? Why does the user edit the article over and over again is a puzzle to me, since the article has clearly stated that "some of his ideas are considered controversial," which, in my humble opinion, is quite enough per se. Further, in the course of the article, some disputable points are mentioned in a more detail PLUS references to more specific articles (such as Mass lexical comparison) are made. So, I don't really know...should the wording of a biography of a living person not be more careful? Anyway, thanks a lot for your comment! --Pet'usek ^{[petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom]} 07:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

Hi Judith!!!

Happy New Year!! I hope you have a successful year to come!!! Best, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for mediation not accepted

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