Talk:Italian beef

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Contents 1 If you would like to resolve the dispute 2 Meditation Requested 3 Name of article 4 Refrences for new content? 5 Origins of Italian Beef

[edit] If you would like to resolve the dispute

If you would like to resolve the dispute over Italian Beef then you will have to be civil, and willing to compromise. Otherwise this issue will not resolve itself.

As for the tags I put in the section, please don't remove them. Wikipedia is not the place for your original research, but for research from cited sources. Also, the article showed regional bias. How is someone from the UK or Japan supposed to know what the Tri Taylor neighborhood is, or many of the other things they wouldn't understand.

And congratulation on spending a couple minutes using google to find my full name. Now figure out my middle name.

If you would like to improve wikipedia, please act civil, and try to reach a compromise instead of flaming someone who's also trying to help wikipedia.Reub2000 19:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meditation Requested

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for mediation for the requested meditation. Please cooperate. Reub2000 20:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name of article

I would read Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Lowercase_second_and_subsequent_words as suggesting this article be moved to Italian beef or, perhaps better, Italian beef sandwich. But it's making me hungry, so I'll go eat. Septentrionalis 15:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I currently reside in the Chicago area, and I cannot recall it ever being named on any menu as an "italian beef sandwich". "Italian Beef" seems to be the universally accepted nomenclature for the exact item in question. When I first moved here, I did find that I was mentally inserting "sandwich" to stabalize my sanity, but I have since stopped that silly behavior. The logo at http://www.alsbeef.com/ shows typical usage. It's kinda like "Philly cheese steak". People don't normally call them "Philly Cheese steak sandwiches". The capitalisation, however, is still debatable. I also agree that the lowercase "beef" is probably more appropriate.Bkofford 01:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Moved and seconded. I will move it; if no one fiddles with the redirect, it can always be moved back if sentiment develops that it should stay at Italian Beef with a B. Septentrionalis 14:12, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Refrences for new content?

Recent edits by Larsoner (talk · contribs) makes a lot of claims, with nothing to back them up. Since the content of this article has been highly controversial as to what's fact, I would appreciate it if you showed references for the facts in your edit. Reub2000 06:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Reub! What info needs back up? You could call Scala's or inquire at any hotdog stand or so-called "famed" beef stand. But the best beef places make their own. The lazy hotdog stands buy it pre-made from Scala or Vienna. Take a look at of few of the new links for back-up. Most of that prior stuff on the article didn't have any back-up. And there was a whole paragraph about the sandwich dying out? Not ture, and that needed to be changed. I think Portillo's is opening in So. CA. Thanks.Larsoner 18:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, thought a little bit of the old stuff was a little bit of bs. Glad that much of it was removed. The version by 65.182.172.* showed the sandwich coming from blacks settled on the south side, while your version says that it came from Italian-American immigrants. Which one is it?

• I think 65.182.172.* was referring to South Side Italian-American communites (maybe Armour Square, and in the old days: Roseland), not the Black Belt. Recall that in the early 20th Century, most of the South Side was White.Larsoner 16:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

• Should the "dry" vs. "wet" vs. "dipped" variations be mentioned in this article? Before I moved to Chicago & had my first Italian beef, I'd neither heard of these terms nor the concepts behind them. Since then, I've only seen seasoned au jus poured over one's sandwich or having one's sandwich dunked into said au jus in Chicago, and only with Italian beefs.

--205.156.188.254 21:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, "sweet" vs. "hot", or the "combo" (Italian beef with sausage added). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.20.71 (talk) 03:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• I added my own recipe from when I lived in Chicago, to the external links. If this isn't appropriate, please accept my apologies, but try the recipe before you remove the link  ;-) --Joseph A. di Paolantonio 02:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of Italian Beef

I don't have a source for this in mind, so feel free to verify as you wish. But the story I heard growing up in Chicago was that Italian beef came about as a way to use beef that wasn't always of the best quality. If you were poor, you heavily seasoned roast beef to mask the flavor of meat that wasn't exactly Grade A. You also cooked it thoroughly - notice that the meat in an Italian beef is never pink, like it is in a typical roast beef sandwich. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.20.71 (talk) 03:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The first paragraph isn't written in third person or AP style and seems really personal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chungdogg (talk • contribs) 23:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)