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Contents 1 Aesthetics 2 Motto fix 3 Picture of Sinai. 4 Fair use rationale for Image:IL NavyEmblem.jpg 5 INS prefix

[edit] Aesthetics

Whatever the correctness of the quote, I think displaying it in three different ways, in two languages (I think), is unaesthetic. I suggest keeping the hebrew & English? Thoughts? Objections? Zenosparadox 05:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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I think this image should be removed. It shows the Sinai Peninsula, and has little relevance to the Israeli Navy. A map would be a better choice.

Indeed. The Israeli Navy has no regular operation in the Gulf of Suez and the Red Sea, and they are also beyond the territorial waters of israel. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 07:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motto fix

The quote is REALLY wrong. I've been in the navy for over a year and I've never heard it before. If at all it should be: "Yam batuach, hof patuach"(ים בטוח, חוף פתוח, "Secure sea, open beach").

Or maybe: "בים דרכך ושביליך במים רבים ועקבותיך לא נודעו"?

In any case, Deror Avi just reverted my change, called it nonsense and that's it. No comment, no nothing. I have no idea where it came from. Yes, maybe your quote is more correct. I don't know. The navy doesn't really have a "motto". Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 23:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It is ים פתוח - חוף בטוח ("safe beach - open sea"). El_C 08:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

no it isn't. Check the left inner wall of the MATAT. It's there. Deror 20:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

These blind reverts are not to your credit (it is the sea arm, not branch), as for that passage being the motto, you're hard pressed to prove this:

1. חטיבת גולני: "חטיבה מס' 1"
2. סיירת מטכ"ל: "המעז מנצח"
3. חיל השריון הישראלי: "האדם שבטנק ינצח"
4. חיל ההנדסה הישראלי: "ראשונים תמיד"
5. חיל הים: "ים פתוח - חוף בטוח".
6. חיל האוויר: "הטובים לטיס".
7. חיל מודיעין השדה הישראלי: "הצופה שלפני המחנה"
8. חטיבת הצנחנים: "ניזום, נוביל, נהווה דוגמה - וננצח"
9. חטיבת הנח"ל: "היתרון האנושי"
10. חטיבת גבעתי: "יחידת סגולה"
11. חיל התותחנים הישראלי: "התחכום והעוצמה"
12. אגף המודיעין: "לך דומיה תהילה"
13. לוט"ם: "כי יש בה הכל"
14. אגף התקשוב: "המברק עבור יעבור"
15. בה"ד 1: "ממני תראו וכן תעשו"
16. תוכנית תלפיות: "לנצח בחוכמה"

El_C 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge that is the moto - so it is presented in the Naval Traning Base to all trainees. It is not nesecarly short - why do you think it is: ים פתוח - חוף בטוח? Deror 06:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The motto for the Israeli Sea Corps, along with other IDF units is noted above. See the following source from the IDF website. El_C 08:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

the site is not an official sites and relates only to Shayete Shalosh. Deror 10:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

How is AKA not official? But on closer look, it does not specify if it's used outside of בט"ש units. It dosen't matter, none of the IDF articles I authored have a motto, mainly because I could not really care less about adding these, one way or the other. My main point here though was about the length of the passage —out of which the four-word motto of S-13(?) is dervied of— not being: 1. a motto, 2. it lacking a source indicating that it is the motto for the entire ISC. El_C 21:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Sinai.

IMO, this is really irrelevant. Would you put a world map as the top picture in the "US Navy" article???

Everything on that picture label is true (save, perhaps, the part about the gulf of Suez, where Israeli ships have not operated for quite a while now) but I think it's wrong to display it like that. 85.130.160.1 12:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:IL NavyEmblem.jpg

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[edit] INS prefix

Is INS used officially? There's no reason to use this prefix unless it is really used. For example, USA and UK use USS and HMS but many other countries generally do not. Americans, of course, like to put those prefixes everywhere. :-) (Also, INS conflicts with India's INS...) Mstuomel 01:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Quite widely even. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 04:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)