Talk:Israel Zolli

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Contents 1 Inappropriate 2 disputed 3 Previous concerns 4 POV 5 Zolli or Zoller?

[edit] Inappropriate

Why is there a picture of Martin Luther on this page, down where it says tha this article is a stub? Wouldn't it be better to have a picture of Christ or something?

Then the Christianity bio template should be edited with a different picture. But don't remove it from the article - yes, I know the picture of Luther is distasteful to many Jews, Catholics, and others, but that is no good reason to move the template from articles - after all, wikipedia is no place for POV, however justified it may appear to us. It IS a good reason, however, to edit the template and find a better image. David Cannon 10:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] disputed

1. The article claims that Trieste was under Austrian control in 1920. I don't think so. Trieste was part of Austria-Hungary, but not of Austria after 1918.
2. The article claims that Zolli was baptized as Eugenio Pacelli in 1945. "Eugenio Zolli" is more likely.
3. I have some doubts about the name Bodji, too; it does not sound Galician at all, but I may be mistaken.

-- Austrian 00:08, 2 September 2005 (UTC) no reference is made to zolli's abandoning of the jewish community to seek refuge in the vatican during ww II. when he returned, the jews refused to recognizew him as their leader. he converted shortly thereafter see encyclopedia judaica.217.132.235.87 13:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Previous concerns

Trieste does seem to have been transferred from Austrian or Austro-Hungarian to Italian authority at the end of World War One, although I can't say whether it was before or after Zolli became the chief rabbi there. Having said that, I'm not sure it's absolutely necessary to even address the issue (in this article).

Other websites seem to confirm that he took the name "Eugenio" but not the last name "Pacelli" (indeed my understanding of induction into the Church is that you would be given a Christian name, i.e., John, Michael, etc., but not a new last name).

64.0.113.158 17:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"This summary seems to be slightly biased, as many Jews took refuge in Vatican monasteries from 1943 to 1944, when Nazi deportations to concentration camps started in Italy, which until 1943 had been relatively "safe" despite Fascist rule."

This is extreme POV. It is not for Wikipedians to decide to edit other's memoirs and encyclopaedia notes even if they disagree and begs the question of censorship/apologetics.

karas 08:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removal explained above. It at least is not worded in NPOV fasion. Also, the rationale behind "singeling out" Zolli was propbably his position as Rabbi.

However, the removal further down I cannot agree with. It mutilated an existing sentence, implying that Zolli had secretly converted in 1937. Which is nonsense. Not the conversion but the spiritual quest began in 1937. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 09:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zolli or Zoller?

Xx236 09:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)