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[edit] Polls of interest

Come Vote:

[edit] Spacing

Hi Humus and Neutrality, good work! There should be no white blocks of empty space next to/above/below articles. Try to have the page filled evenly. This looks like an excellent start! Best wishes. IZAK 10:30, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking of adding a few more panels:
  • History & Places
  • People
  • Cuisine
  • Arts & Culture
  • Categories
Why only thinking instead of doing? Don't have time right now. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 20:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
The portal turned out wonderful! However, there is a small technical peoblem: the right box is lower and not parallel to the right box. MathKnight 07:15, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Got it. El_C 08:21, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Firefox renders it OK. But I just saw what IE makes out of it and now "I can feel your pain". Let's try to fix it somehow. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Looks better. Please see if this works for you, folks. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:12, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shortcuts

I'd like to propose a new shortcut for the portal: WP:Israel, but not really happy with the current placement. See also WP:WNBI. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 17:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey guys!

Hey guys, great job!

Just curious, though. Do you think it's time for a refresh? New featured articles, new Did you knows? That sort of thing? I can help if you need it. --Hersch 23:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. You don't need to ask for permission around here. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 04:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Updated to the U of H article.. Is there an archive for Featured articles where I can put the Jerusalem info? --Hersch 22:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Good job. I didn't bother with the archive because I'm lazy I thought history function is enough. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 23:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Updated to the Masada article. I figure it's time for something new.. Took a suggestion from the proposed featured articles list. --Hersch 21:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew naming conventions

Urgent: see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew) to add your opinions about this important matter. Thank you. IZAK 17:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] News section seems absurd

The news section on the right seems an absurd collection of unencyclopedia-like content (WP:NOT a mere collection of external links). Yes, Israelis do have a thing for their news, and Jews around the world are very concerned about what's going on in Israel and its portrayal in world media. Still, that does not seem to justify something better found at a web directory and unparalleled in any other Wikiportals I've seen: indeed this section is meant for news updates themselves, not a listing of sources. When Humus sapiens first moved to this format with the question links to newssources are better than outdated news. Should we remove this panel altogether?, I would have answered yes. Any opinions? jnothman talk 11:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, we should remove the panel. --Siva1979Talk to me 11:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SHABAS

I'm posting this here since I don't think it will get much attention on WP:RA. Basically there is still no article on the prison service, SHABAS, and I think that's pretty bad. It's possibly the most important Israel-related article that still doesn't exist. The other one being Education Minister of Israel (there is a Finance Minister of Israel even though there's nothing about the ministry itself). I don't think many Wikipedians work for SHABAS, or there would've been something, but anyone who knows anything about the prison service, please create an article; it would be greatly appreciated. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 07:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You can also take information from he:שירות בתי הסוהר.

I am copying this to Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Israel-related topics where I feel it is more relevant. jnothman talk 01:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] banning of Pro Israel editors

You may be intesrted to look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Zeq/Proposed_decision

It resulted from very low particiopation in articles about the Middle east by pro-israeli editors which left it open for palestinian propeganda.

Zeq 07:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lots of Problems with translatinos

First of all, the translation of "Did you Know" is wrong. It means "the know". Second, it is written in the feminine plaural. Unless every single wikipedia user is female (which is obviously not the case) it should be in the masculine. I have no Hebrew typing capability in IE, but if you have DavkaWriter give me your e-mail address and I will e-mail you the translation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smartyshoe (talk • contribs) 11:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC).

The translation is correct. '?הידעת' means 'Did you know?' -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

{{User Portal:Israel}} will produce

This user contributes to Portal:Israel

. ←Humus sapiens ну? 10:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing the portal

The portal is messed up, the right side is out of place. I tryed fixing it but without success. Can any one with a better knowhow fix it? --TheYmode 08:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Banners?

Shalom, all. I realize this isn't a WikiProject, and so I am not quite sure how it works differently. But seeing as how there is no "WikiProject Israel", I thought it might be pertinent that you (we) have a project banner to place on talk pages of articles, labeling them as Israeli articles and linking them back here. I was going to just go ahead and do it, but I decided as I am not a member of your project/portal, I'd talk it out first. Todah. LordAmeth 12:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Can we make a WikiProject Israel?

You absolutely could. And I'd love to join, once it gets off the ground. Check out Wikipedia: WikiProjects for more info on how to start one up. LordAmeth 01:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Come visit WikiProject Israel to join in the Israel WikiFun! --יהושועEric 23:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli cuisine

"Israelis love falafel and baba ganoush."

This sentence is downright ridiculous. As well note Israeli music by saying "Israelis love to listen to Chava Alberstein." Israel is diverse in its tastes and sub-cultures, just like any other country (and perhaps more than most). An article on Israeli cuisine might not be amiss, but alongside well-known Middle Eastern foods like hummus & tchina, you can also mention Ashkenazi foods like gefilte fish, holiday foods like hamantasch, and even Russian or Ethipian food. And of course the legal limitations of kosherness and associated controversy.

I'd edit it right now, but I haven't seen an article like this, and I think consensus would be a good idea, in this case. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 15:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind. See Category:Israeli cuisine. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jews:no to assimilation, yes to acculturation

Jews today, like their ancestors in Alexandria, can be influenced by the world around them, adopt the ideas of surrounding culture, yet remain loyal Jews and not completely assimilate. We can live in both worlds and make a success of that situation. That is an important message for any Jew in modern times who wants to be both a civilized person and a true believer.--HIZKIAH (User • Talk) 08:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the Rambam, THE definitive source of Jewish history, knowledge and one of the most cultured human beings ever, claimed that the Jews of Alexandria were completely assimilated (and further would not be the chief rabbi of Alexandria due to this fact). Check out his biography, directly after his trip to Palestine.89.139.231.136 (talk) 17:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


Sorry, this page is for discussion of the Wikipedia portal, not for general discussion of Judaism or Israel. If you run a google search, I'm sure you can find a nice forum for modern Judaism to discuss this in. Alternatively, you can start a blog on one of the many free platforms available. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 09:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] News

Bad news: so far we had 2 attempts to add news panel and both failed to keep up. Good news: There is no reason to duplicate/triplicate efforts at Portal:Current_events/Middle_East, Wikinews and here. I've added these (among few other) links to a new Wikimedia panel and I am going to comment out the news. Objections? ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

In being a frequent editor to the politics section, I am troubled by the amount of links to Arutz Sheva and Israel National News pieces being used as references by a small but persistant group of editors, particularly noticeable in the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan article. My opinion is that they definitely aren't credible sources - they're right wing propaganda tools of the settlers (one article for instance claims 250,000 at a protest march, whilst Ynet puts it at 70,000).

Perhaps we should draw up a list of reliable sources on Israeli affairs. To begin with, I suggest:

  • Jerusalem Post
  • Ha'Aretz
  • Ynet
  • BBC and other international news organisations such as CNN etc.

However, there is also a problem with JPost and Haaretz articles that they disappear quite quickly - all the ones I checked from the disengagement article were broken. It's also shame that Ma'ariv don't have an English version. Number 57 22:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Every source you guys mentioned is bias, banning sources is not going to get you anywhere. Arutz7 represents the right wing of Israel. Haaretz is as left wing as Arutz 7 is right wing. This year Danny Rubenstein, an editor and boardman at Haaretz called Israel an Apartheid State before the UN and concurred that that's a term common at Haaretz. That thinking is neither centrist within Israel nor globally. If one may post Haaretz as a credible news source, then Arutz 7, should be considered a viable source as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.231.136 (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Portal Status

I would like to see Israel become a featured portal. Any suggestions on what is needed for that jump? --יהושועEric 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Couple of ideas - in the news, on this day, and a featured quotes section. Perhaps a featured biography. I think we need to also formalise the featured article/picture so that its changed once every week or two and we have a proper vote thing? What do you think? I think the news and on this day are quite important and so will start work on them Flymeoutofhere 08:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Having done some work on it today and looked at the featured portal criteria once again, I think we are there. So I'm going to put the nomination forwardFlymeoutofhere 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've done all the work. Please comment at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Israel Flymeoutofhere 18:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] resolution

I am regularly using a 1024X768 resolution and the two main columns do not line up and never have. This needs to be dealt with. --Shuki 21:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I dont understand what you mean? Flymeoutofhere 14:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
There are two main columns. The left side is topped with 'selected article', the right side 'selected picture'. On my screen, there is apparently not enough room for both columns, so the page is broken into a left column with blank space on the right side, and then reversed at the bottom of the left column where the right column starts. In contrast, the Canada, Turkey, and France portals do not have this issue. Could you please size the columns closer to France or Canada. (Turkey has a mucher wider left side than right side.) BTW, Great effort. --Shuki 18:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I've copied the widths from the French portal into this one...Im not too strong on the technical side, so am not sure what else to do if this doesnt work. Let me know otherwise, though. Flymeoutofhere 18:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Still no dice. Now that I saw what you did, I might try later. If someone with experience can do it beforehand, than that would be best. --Shuki 20:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I dont have any idea otherwise. Sorry. Flymeoutofhere 07:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Olmert Ministry Scandals

Can we assemble a list of scadals in the current adminstration

Olmerts ministry has been plagued by a circus of scandals including.

  • 1. Rape allegations against President Moshe Katzav
  • 2. Rape allegations against former Justice minister Haim Ramon
  • 3. General incompetance with the conduct of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
  • 4. Embezzlement charges against Finance Minister Hirschon
  • 5. Corruption charges against Olmert from his time in Jerusalem and sale of Bank Leumi when he was finance minister.
  • 6. Selection of Amir Peretz for defense minister (Including the capped binoculars incident.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.163.16 (talk) 09:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

President Moshe Katzav was a lifetime LIKUD member, not Kadima, which is Olmert's party. Furthermore, the President in Israel has nothing to do with the cabinet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.231.136 (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I couldn't care less. There is still so much more work to do here on wp rather than whine about some losers in current events. Just a reminder, wp is an enclylopedia not an almanac of news. Try and remember specific political events that occured even five years ago, they just aren't important. --Shuki 11:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I concur. If this list were to be made into an article, it'd be awfully POV in any case. If you feel the need to discuss these scandals briefly in Olmert's own article, and/or to create separate articles for each, feel free, assuming you focus only on those which are really worthwhile to discuss. Note how many members of the Bush administration have scandals discussed within the biography article, and not (I hope - I haven't checked) in separate articles. Creating a list is not only meaningless towards the long-run significance of these events in history, but indicative of bias, which we try to avoid on Wikipedia. LordAmeth 17:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IDF naming conventions

In case some people present here don't watch WP:ISRAEL, I have started a discussion there about IDF naming conventions. Please leave your comments. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinhas Gershon

Hello, everybody. I've added a short paragraph in Gershon's article concerning his season at Olympiacos. I will add more once the finals here in Greece are finished. Please let me know if you have any comments.Zambetis 10:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nonfree image on the portal page

Hi. The image Image:Ben-yehuda.jpg that is on the portal page is a nonfree image. Per WP:NONFREE#9 and its exemptions, nonfree images can't be used on portal pages. I think Image:BYwork.jpg would be a good free image to put on the portal page instead, but I don't know anything about Israel and don't want to mess up the portal with an image that isn't appropriate. Could someone take out the nonfree image and replace it with a suitable free image? Thank you Bláthnaid 19:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience with this - much appreciated - will switch over images now--Flymeoutofhere 20:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You fixed the problem so quickly, there was no need for me to be patient! Thanks Bláthnaid 01:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
haha - Some people would just delete it and leave the page scarred.--Flymeoutofhere 18:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interview and bot to auto-update

Wikinews has an interview that should perhaps be linked to from here.

There is a bot to automate copying over a list of latest news from Wikinews to Wikipedia portals, see Portal:Television for an example. I can't remember all the details but it might be worth looking in to. As a Wikinewsie I'd love to (a) see our coverage promoted here, and (b) See people who keep an eye on this portal try their hand on Wikinews to get a story in the bot-generated section.

User:RichardF who originally came up with the bot idea has implemented it on a number of portals, and I'd like to see this transclusion of data between WN and WP become well established. It should offer an opportunity to cover something that might not be considered encyclopedic, but it news. That's what Wikinews is for - we only go nuts when you have the Asian Tsunami, London Bombings, but as I expect it to get progressively harder to start new articles on Wikipedia, Wikinews offers new opportunities every day. --Brian McNeil /talk 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current events subportals MfD

A discussion about most of the Current events subportals has been opened at Miscellany for deletion. You are invited to participate in discussing the fate of these subportals. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Postage stamps and postal history of Israel

For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 11:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Updating Tel Marus to include Kfar Meroth...

Have and am updating information on Marus with background on Kfar Meroth in case anyone is interested. Also: please direct me to the correct page to put this message on, as I get lost regularly :). Hag Sameach! Shir-El too 13:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)