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[edit] Carnegie of Finhaven

Do you think you could more correctly marks the parts copied from Domestic Annals or rewrite the whole thing. You've just cut and pasted chunks from the book. It reads like it was written in 1850! --Trieste 12:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shoes

Regarding your inquiry regarding shoes hanging from things, This may be of interest to you. Dylan Lake (t·c·ε) 07:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for fighting this insidious Censorship

Mike, I appreciate the work you have done against enormous odds. The way William M. Connolley and his crew of censors work is infuriating. You are absolutely correct that they completely disregard NPOV as we can clearly read above. I have also had a great deal of work and effort destroyed arbitrarily by this group trying to chase ANY dissenting contributors out of the GW debate. As an example they will not even allow the simple fact: "However, there remain respected scientists who hold differing opinions." Here is the history of what they did when I tried to keep that tiny mention of other views in the GW article:

  1. 17:10, 21 February 2007 Vsmith (Talk | contribs) (if "repected scientists disagree" - provide valid source)
  2. (cur) (last) 17:05, 21 February 2007 Rameses (Talk | contribs) (←Undid revision 109846090 by BozMo (talk) You cannot censor the simple fact that some scientists hold other views)
  3. (cur) (last) 17:00, 21 February 2007 BozMo (Talk | contribs) m (Reverted edits by Brittainia (talk) to last version by Hu12)
  4. (cur) (last) 16:48, 21 February 2007 Brittainia (Talk | contribs) (NPOV - still worth mentioning there are scientists with other views)

Their actions are equivalent to the burning of books in Germany and other totalitarian states. However we cannot give up, we must continue to fight for a NPOV in Wikipedia. The only alternative would be to give up using Wikipedia altogether. Good luck and thanks for your hard work - it truly is appreciated by us older Wikipedians. Rameses 17:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Rameses - Some people are their own worst enemy. It's very easy to see when an argument is being skewed and contrary views squashed - the public aren't stupid, and this is probably why there is so much skeptism about global warming. All they are achieving is to ensure that people won't believe what they are being told. Far from convincing people, this type of behaviour does the opposite and taints those sensible people who do agree with the science with the aspect of a "bunch of religious nutters". I'm beginning to wonder whether some of them may not be working for an oil company with the sole purpose of bringing the whole global warming consensus into disrepute. Mike 17:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have copied this to my wiki.racetotheright.com/GW_Bias evidence gathering location. -- Tony of Race to the Right 14:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Tony, you should make a user subpage, as I did with with User:UBeR/WMC, for example. ~ UBeR 19:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I retract that--it may get you banned. ~ UBeR 22:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Now they are trying to delete Solar system warming too!

Now Raymond Arritt and William M Connolley are trying to eradicate the Solar system warming article. I am sick and tired of this continuing censorship. If you agree with me, go and vote to save this article. Thanks, ~ Rameses 04:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Rameses, thanks for pointing that out. I'm really saddened by the whole atmosphere around the global warming articles. Far from being the "anti-" lobby as I had originally assumed, in fact the pro- lobby are clearly breaking the spirit of Wikipedia and attacking every article with which they disagree. These people are the modern equivalent of the catholic inquisition. Mike 09:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Someone should have caught it before it passed the speedy deletion deadline

Here is evidence of more people who are willing to delete articles to stop people reading and deciding for themselves - from User talk:Michaelbusch:=I think you'll enjoy this one=

Solar system warming Someguy1221 04:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Pretty bad. Someone should have caught it before it passed the speedy deletion deadline. Michaelbusch 04:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to get NPOV on Wikipedia against these tactics? ~ Rameses 05:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't this phenomena already covered under Solar variation? How is merging very closely related topics the same as censorship? Were any sources lost?Zebulin (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uber is being reviewed

Mike, I just got this message from Uber, he needs our help: Hello, friend. I'd like to inform you of the attacks and claims made by Raul654 to the administrator noticeboard regarding my actions. I whole heartedly believe my actions are just and warranted. Please review the current situation. Thank you. ~ UBeR 23:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC) We should write our views of the situation with the proof to show the degree of frustration which Uber and we all are suffering. If we cannot save Uber from this injustice, WMC and company will simply extend this witch hunt to all who do not support their POV. Thanks, -- Brittainia 00:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Brittainia, I really do sympathise with you. I have seen perfectly reasonable changes simply wiped by this bunch of thugs. This fiasco has not only altered my whole perception of the risks of global warming, it has altered my perception of the neutrality of Wikipedia. When you have one side with professional lobbyists spending all day everyday changing articles to suit their case and on the other side a few odd-balls who not only don't have the time but don't have the experience to fight these professional lobbyists, it is a completely uneven fight and the result is so obviously biased it is a joke. I'm sorry I can't do more to help, I reached the conclusion there is no point trying to be a neutral editor on the articles because the "gang" just come along and ignoring everyone else change it back to their own POV.
Paradoxically if you are "anti-" you might do better to let the "pro-" camp get on with it without opposition, because the more POV the article the less likely anyone is to believe it. However, I'm really pissed off with them, because I (used to) think that global warming was an important issue and I know we aren't doing nearly enough to stop it - and all they are doing is making more people sceptical - including me - in fact I ought to thank Mr Connolley because by his actions he has done me a favour - he has convinced me it is a much less important issue than I once thought, a few degrees of warming isn't going to hurt many and it will actually do a lot of good, so what's the point arguing about it! There are much more important issues! Mike 11:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Proof of conspiracy - Raul654 filed complaint just to "get this monkey off WMC's back"

The following is from my recent post, please go to the Admin noticeboard and post your views on this now exposed conspiracy by a group of Administrators. It is at: [1] -- Brittainia 05:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Raul654, this post [2] that you made just after UBeR filed a checkuser against William M. Connolley, clearly shows that this entire complaint against UBeR was orchestrated just to "get this monkey off WMC's back". The next step should be to stop this intentional diversionary complaint against UBeR and investigate your activities instead. Your entire group [3], [4], orchestrating these illicit activities should be thoroughly investigated by all those who have wasted a lot of their valuable time on your "getting this monkey off WMC's back". It is now clear that you yourself are guilty of most of the accusations which you have levelled at UBeR above, I believe that you and your co-conspirators should be permanently banned from editing global warming articles in order to stop the kind of bias, frustration and witch hunts which you are causing by your devious tactics. Everyone should know that this group are currently being investigated and exposed by a radio show for their hijacking of global warming articles as this group already knows [5] - thus they are bringing Wikipedia into disrepute. -- Brittainia 06:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on Scientific data archiving

Please take a look at this Talk page, especially the part on "pseudoscience" and William's reverts. The POV of certain editors is preventing them from objectively dealing with the facts. The concepts involved are not difficult but they do take a little investment of time to understand. You may need to spend some time in the Pseudoscience article to be fully comfortable. I hope you are able to find the time to help out. Thanks! RonCram 15:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User Block IP 88.110.191.102.

Unfortunately, not all Tiscali customers are as diligent or helpful as yourself -- at least one is a very persistent troll, repeatedly vandalizing, threatening and harassing a few members of the community. They've been at it for quite some time, even registering a few sleeper accounts to circumvent semi-protection and engage in pagemove vandalism. The hope is that they'll eventually get bored and move on. Or that Tiscali will one day respond to abuse reports. On the one hand, yes, being blocked sucks -- you did log in easily enough, though, and the block was for three days (I'll probably lift it by then). I apologize for the inconvenience; if you or anybody you know is unable to edit because they don't have an account, get in touch with me (whether by email or at the unblock-en-l mailing list) and I'll be more than happy to register an account on their behalf. – Luna Santin (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Email forwarding

Hi Mike, sorry about the speedy tagging (total mistake). I'm no big expert on formatting, but I've done a little to the article. Haven't time to do more - I'm also supposed to be working right now :-) Stephenb (Talk) 12:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Stephenb - apology accepted - talk of double standards though - I've just read my own article and was wondering whether the name could be linked to me! Mike 12:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need for simpler Wikipedia Articles on Global "Warming"

I run a local village web site and would like to summarise the global warming issue. Unfortunately, this article is so long and so convoluted that it really isn't much help as a starting point. Would it not be an idea to create 1 or 2 simpler wikipedia articles aimed at explaining to the average Scottish reader (without a degree in climate science) of a small village like ours, the essential arguments pro and anti global warming?

So, I'm asking for help to create two simple articles:pro Global warmingand Anti global warming

Clearly I can't promise an/some article(s) in Wikipedia as that will be highly fraught with problems, so to convince people to help, I should say that as our village site is always looking for interesting articles, so no contribution need go to waste. If anyone would like to help work on these prototype wikipedia articles please put comments on my discussion page or just add the essentials to the above pages. Bugsy 12:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

global warming talk page Bugsy 12:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I've been working on the Global Warming page myself trying to get some new research in. The monitors there are making it a pain. I've been digging deep and have found articles that date back to the 70's talking about what they predicted what going to happen, like the fact everyone was going to start saying that Global Warming exists. You have to understand that I am strictly anti Global Warming, but right now I would like at least to have information put on the page that shows more than one side. I know that they will respond with "put it on the global warming controversy" line, but after reading that page briefly it's as if they are discussing more what global warming is going to do to the environment. Not if it actually exists. Let me know what you think, and what are the articles that you would like to put in yourself. Infonation101 (talk) 02:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Infonation101, nice to hear from you. May I quote a comment I once saw: "you don't understand the nature of the article, It isn't meant to be unbiased, it is meant to be a propaganda leaflet for the eco-fascists." It isn't worth the fight, anyone reading the article will know that it doesn't fairly represent all views, so why go through all the hassle of trying to add material that simply gets deleted? I suggest you just accept it is a pro-warming article and if you want to help make it more pro-warming then whether you are actually pro or anti, you can improve the article by adding more such material, but if you want to add anti-warming bits then don't bother. Bugsy (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Note taken. Too bad that bias opinions exists not only in politics, but also in science. Infonation101 (talk) 15:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
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Infonation101, there is no such thing as opinion in science. There is science based on evidence and testability, and then there is politics based on opinion. The problem for editors of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia doesn't pretend to be scientific, it is almost solely based on opinion. This obviously allows certain people to propagate published "opinion" as fact, and unfortunately scientists don't spend a lot of time debunking such junk science because in the science community the rule is that science backs the sceptic, and it is up to those who assert something to prove it, and not up to those who are sceptical to prove the negative.
Whilst this has the benefit of allowing many subjects to be covered that would not otherwise be covered in a traditional encyclopaedia, it does allow those will a political agenda to publish their pseudo-scientific nonsense as "fact", purely on the basis that no decent scientist has taken the time to debunk it (which is actually an order of magnitude more difficult a task than asserting it anyway so why should they bother?).
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Fortunately, we are now getting to the stage where real evidence is becoming a fly in the ointment. Remember global temperature is the phallus of the eco-fascist. They use its huge size and prominent erection to stuff all kinds of rubbish down our throats. Well, now the phallus is broke, their proud symbol of manhood is beginning to look a lot less like a rocket and more like shrunken turkey giblets fit for the dog. But don't go over the top trying to "correct the article", remember Global warming was only the millennium bug on viagra, in the story of man's history I doubt it will receive even a few lines, so it is best not to get too het up about it! Bugsy (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Good data in that last graph, but as so many would say, "It's not a trend. It would have to happen for at least 30 years before it holds any type of scientific validity." My biggest concern is that by converting students to this idea will help big government intrude into our lives. Interesting about the eco-fascism you spoke of. I've been doing research on the history of Political Correctness and truly modern environmentalism is completely based on Cultural Marxism. It's a way by which we can be controlled, "For the better good." So in the end you could say that it's not because I'm an anti global warmist. I just worry about what is going to be taken away from us because of it. Infonation101 (talk) 21:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiterm for a zealot

Hi, I'm writing a very concise commentary on wikipedia and praising the way wikipedia insist articles are based on fact rather than personal opinion and I'm looking for a "wiki" way to say this.

I want to say something like "if we want to make progress, we should be more like wikipedia and kick any WIKI-ZEALOTs out of the discussion", but I'm sure this isn't the proper term and would like to know if there is a better phrase.

What I'm trying to say is that if some will not work toward a consensus then they should be removed rather than allowed to stop others making progress, and I'm using wikipedia as an analogy!


Bugsy (talk) 11:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether anyone looked at this, I'm still interested in an answer, but the pressing need has passed.

88.109.223.68 (talk) 13:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Why doesn't the article menton peak oil? It doesn't mention peak oil because every single time I inserted a short section on peak oil or even a link it was removed in stark contradiction to Wikipedia policy. But because this article (at least at that time) was heavily policed by the pro-warming lobbyists, I ended up getting banned simply for trying to insist on wikipedia policy by one Billy Connolly who is hardly an unbiased judge. The only good thing that came of that episode was that it forced me to actually look at the evidence I had taken for granted and I can now thank Billy for the realisation that global warming is a theory based on almost no evidence worth speaking of and that there are much better explanations such as sun-spot activity and its affect on ionising radiation and hence to cloud cover. Whilst I was pretty livid at the time that Wikipedia could allow this vile mobbing by this evil group who edited the page it did at least have a positive effect and I now realise global warming isn't a problem, But even so I wouldn't recommend trying to mention peak oil because it fundamentally drives a coach and horse through the theory of global warming through CO2 - if CO2 is naturally limited by the availablity of oil - and many here would look pretty stupid if the problem was not too much oil to burn but too little! 88.111.89.46 (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Isonomia/Global warming

Hi, this page of yours has some categories. I am not sure if usersubpage can be included in category, so that the page will be displayed in that category. As this page is included in Category:Economic problems. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page posts

Hi. Some of your recent posts on Talk:Global warming are straining the boundaries of the talk page guidelines. The article talk page isn't a forum for general argumentation, debate, name-calling, etc on the subject of global warming. Especially on a subject like warming, there is a lot of noise and very little signal to begin with. Please don't make that problem worse. Since Wikipedia functions by consensus, you're going to need to convince at least some other editors that your proposals make the article better, more policy-compliant, etc. If a set of arguments have been rejected, then reposting them with a bit of added sarcasm 10 minutes later is unlikely to convince anyone. Also, you have several draft versions of global-warming-related articles in your userspace - these need to be tagged with {{userpage}} to make clear that they are not encyclopedia articles, and should not be in any categories. I'll take care of this for you. MastCell Talk 17:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi MastCell, thanks for the comments, I very much appreciate them. However I will however continue to press for a clear decision/consensus as to when it will be possible to consider that global warming has stopped. And forgive me if I am cynical because I suspect the real answer of many of those who edit the article is "never" and unless I am very much mistaken that is not a wiki policy that you can quote to me. In particular, when the temperatures cool, I don't want to have a pathetic fight over which figures to use, or which timescale is appropriate, I want clear guidelines, and if it upsets some of those who have been quoting policy in order to create a POV article I don't have any problem with that.Bugsy (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you should consider the policy-based arguments put forth on the talk page in response to your proposal, including those from editors who tend to be more "skeptical". The bottom line, as always, is that Wikipedia will reflect what reliable secondary sources and expert opinion have to say on a subject. When expert opinion holds that global warming has "stopped", Wikipedia will reflect that, in proportion to the number and weight of experts who express such views. MastCell Talk 19:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
It is a pity I don't have the time to challenge your assertion that wikipedia doesn't care about scientific fact and only reports political opinion. Unfortunately, I've got some important work, but I'll be back! Bugsy (talk) 11:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
You're describing is a strawman argument which I did not advance. Although it is pleasing to be accused of both excess scientism (elsewhere) and a belief that "Wikipedia doesn't care about scientific fact" (here) - I must be doing something right. :) MastCell Talk 17:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GW Research

Over the next few months I'll be compiling a lot of information. After going through every possible WP policy, when I return it will be interesting to see what they dispute. I do have to say that this research will not be to "debunk" the global warming theory, but introduce a lot of information that is being ignored. I'm trying to gather the support of other WP users that would like to see more information presented on the page, and also I'm interested in seeing any research that you have been able to dig up. One question, what program did you use to create the graph you posted on the talk page of global warming? Infonation101 (talk) 00:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MfD nomination of User:LordsReform/New

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[edit] MfD nomination of User:LordsReform/New

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