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[edit] IP Edits to User talk:Rodhullandemu and WP:AN

what are you serious>? I made a post on a page I know about and this guy tells me he will ban me if I post again and you dont call that a personal attack against me?

What kind of website is this?

Anything I post you guys remove see?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&action=history

You sure are not very helpful to new people to wikipedia are you now.

How the hell am i vandalising Wikipedia if I am posting on the Administrators HELP board Wtf is wrong with yu poeple.

[edit] Reading School

The Islander teaches there! And I go there! Isn't that legendary, I know him in real life!!!

...how many states of matter are there? The other students have confused me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.203.0 (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, interesting theory :P. I don't actually teach there, FYI. _TalkIslander 02:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, you take some lessons when teachers are away... What exactly do you do then? You certainly revert a lot of vandalism that goes on on the Reading School wikipedia article. --82.0.203.0 (talk) 13:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Then, Islander, could you please explain your connection to Reading School? 13:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)13:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)13:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)13:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)MAV3R1CK AS (talk)

Islander, I did some research and found out that the students were in fact, right:

In 1924, Albert Einstein and Satyendra Bose predicted the "Bose-Einstein condensate," the fifth state of matter. It remained an unverified theoretical prediction for many years. Finally in 1995, Wolfgang Ketterle and his team of graduate students produced such a condensate experimentally. A Bose-Einstein condensate is "colder" than a solid. It occurs when atoms have very similar (or the same) quantum levels. Temperatures close to absolute zero (-273 C) will exhibit the Bose-Einstein condensate.

At temperatures slightly closer to absolute zero, it will attempt to 'climb' out of its container.--82.0.203.0 (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Then, Islander, could you please explain your connection to Reading School?" - well, if I wasn't a teacher there, there aren't many other things I could have been ;). I'm not connected with the school anymore. _TalkIslander 14:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Islander, I did some research and found out that the students were in fact, right" - like I said, I don't teach there. I am curious, though: who do you think I am? _TalkIslander 14:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, we "THINK" that you are one M Hale. An alumni of Reading School, who returned to assist in the Physics dept. We asked him if he was you, and he said 'Maybe' in a manner suggesting a 'Yes'. MAV3R1CK AS (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Did he now? How intriguing. As it so happens, I don't actually know an M Hale - he wasn't around when I was. Nor does he appear to be on the school website - there's no one on there under Physics that I don't recognise. _TalkIslander 19:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, he's not on the school site. But according to MAV3R1CK AS, at one point he mentioned to M Haile wikipedia, and he said "for your information I'm an admin of that site" so he set about to find out, and found you. And then said to him stuff like "Sir, are you the Islander" which he kept replying "maybe" too until he mentioned Lego when he said he liked it quite a lot to my recollection... so the signs point to you. So when were you around? And if you don't mind saying, what's your surname? --82.0.203.0 (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it does indeed seem that all the signs point to me :P. However, like I said, I'm not him. I was around a couple of years ago, for a couple of years, and yes, I'm being deliberatley vague ;). I'm not happy with posting too much about myself on Wikipedia or indeed the internet, for obvious reasons, so no, I don't wish to divulge my surname here, sorry. If you really wish to know, get in touch via email - link at top of this page. _TalkIslander 12:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair Play, there are a lot of spikey haired, sonic-a-like, physics 'teaching' [here used in a loose sense] oddballs trawling the net these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MAV3R1CK AS (talk • contribs) 15:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Deletion of Sheffield University Theatre Company Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_University_Theatre_Company Why have you proposed deletion of the page? The company is still very much alive and running and acitve, in the past three months we have two been nominated for an award of best website and Awarded Recognition for Excellence in Independence at NSDF08 for promoting student theatre.

Please respond on here. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.167.240.152 (talk) 09:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC) --143.167.240.152 (talk) 10:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The company may well still be alive and active, but that doesn't necessarily make it notable. Notability is the key - the article must adhere to WP:N for it to exist, and that includes the fact that it should include reliable third party references, which currently it does not. _TalkIslander 11:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The creation of the Awards subcategory should give it suitable notability, no?--Mtbab (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the deleting the Sutco page, really helpful. We need to promote theatre and culture and student theatre, and so why you deleted the page I have no idea. Just because I was unable to find notability online does not mean it has none. Not everything goes online these days would you believe it, and in terms of British Student Theatre Sutco is well known. If the sheffield newspapers choose not to publish online I can't force them to just so i have notability. The Wiki page is a good source of getting people, epsecially freshers who Wiki everything to know about the Theatre Company. Heres the link to the category "british student theatre" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_student_theatre, why don't you delete all those, I'm sure they dont all have notability.--143.167.240.152 (talk) 23:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The original Sutco page went through an articles for deletion discussion here, and the consensus reached was to delete. Recreating the same page was therefore against WP:CSD#G4, namely that a copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion can be speedily deleted. _TalkIslander 13:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Riven OST talk

I deleted the page as the content was merged to Riven#Sound and I didn't see much point of archiving three lines. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop Edit Warring at OCR

Bottom line is, you must discuss a potentially contraversial move before making it, and arrive at a consensus. Please do so on the article's talk page. Per the moving page, "WARNING! This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding." _TalkIslander 22:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, I resent you accussing me of edit warring. All I did was move an article. As explained in my edit summary (and have done again on Talk:OCR (examination board)), all I was doing was following Wikipedia policy, which clearly states the article should be at its spelled out name. The bottom line is that there is nothing to discuss and there is absolutely nothing controversial about this move. The policy makes it quite clear that I am correct. - Green Tentacle (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

"Firstly, I resent you accussing me of edit warring." - you move an article without discussion, another editor disagrees with you and returns it, and you ignore them and re-move it - that's edit warring, and plain stubborn. I have explained everything else relevant to this discussion over at the article's talk page, but just to hammer your misunderstanding home, "The policy makes it quite clear that I am correct." - there are no policies involved here, only guidelines. _TalkIslander 22:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reading Transport

Regarding your comments about the Reading Transport Ltd article, there are a number of reasons while I feel that the routes should be included in the article. One is that it gives an opportunity to include pictures of the various coloured buses used on the premier routes. These are now an important part of the Reading operation, and I believe that images support the text, which currently lists the routes and the colours. After all, a picture shows a thousand words!

Regarding WP:NOT#DIR, I think that routes are perhaps slightly more important on bus company articles, as that is an operator's sole job. Without routes, buses would be redundant!

There are loads of examples of major bus company articles including the routes. Lothian Buses, maybe one of the most respected operators in the UK, has a comprehensive list, as do major First Group subsidiaries First Glasgow and First Manchester. Stagecoach Manchester and Arriva Fox County have routes listed, and Transdev Yellow Buses have their own article. The list is endless.

Many bus operator articles have information that I think goes even further than routes. You wont have to look hard to find major details on fares and tickets as again in First Manchester and First York. First Manchester also has details of Easter and Summer services! Many articles also have large tables on fleets, like Lancashire United.

I would also like to mention London Buses. There is a list of bus routes in London, and each route has its own article.

Regarding Reading, I hope the route information has a place there, as I think it is quite important. Maybe some of the routes could be taken out of the table, I suppose the Nighttrack routes are less important than the premier routes, and could go.

I hope you can see the points I am making. Thanks for the positive comets on how the table looks! Arriva436^talk 18:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to add that I have not included some of the routes that appear on the Reading Buses website, like the schools routes which are not that important. There are two school routes in the Newbury Buses section however, which I am going to remove. Arriva436^talk 19:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] en.wikibooks rename

As per your request, I have usurped the account User:Islander. To complete the usurpation, you must log into the account with your global password. Feel free to contact me if you have any problems. --Whiteknight (talk) (books) 23:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, worked perfectly. Thanks for that! _TalkIslander 23:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Protest

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I just want to say that I am appalled by the way you have destroyed a valuable editor at Swedish Wikipedia. You had every chance not to sneak up on him the way you did and present him with a fait accompli, and yet you chose to shut him out of an account that he has been using for two years. From what I can tell, he has given up editing. You must be very proud of yourself.--Bothnia (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Username on se.wikipedia doesn't appear to link to anyone... SUL is not "destroying" anything - in order for en Islander to usurp the account name of se Islander, a local bureaucrat on the Swedish Wikipedia would have had to agree based on local policy. Avruch^T * ^ER 16:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Avruch. There did indeed appear to be a temporary bug that, when I linked my account to the global 'Islander' account, it blocked SV Islander out of his accounts temporarily. However, this quickly rectified itself, and as he proved at commons he had no problems logging in and editing etc. I have not shut him out of anything, he still has ownership and control of all accounts that he has used up until this point. The only thing that I have done is made it impossible for him or anyone else to sign up as 'Islander' on any Wikimedia project where neither him nor me have already signed up. For me to take over his accounts would require, as Avruch has pointed out, a local bureaucrat on the project in question to usurp him, and that has not happened. _TalkIslander 17:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

By the by, the account se:User:Islander does not exist - you surely mean sv:User:Islander. _TalkIslander 17:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm referring to sv:User:Islander. Well, the tenor of your message here leaves little doubt what you are up to pushing him out of his account and you are presenting him with a fait accompli, despite the fact his account is older than yours. You have had every chance not to put him on the spot the way you did, and yet you did it. As an administrator you have the upper hand and you are abusing that power. You may be right in a purely "legal" sense, but you cases is dubious on moral grounds. Furthermore, it is much harder to recruit editors on smaller language versions of Wikipedia than on English Wiki, so we lose this multi-lingual editor as a result of your action, the net loss is larger.--Bothnia (talk) 17:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, what makes you say he's left the project? He hasn't edited in a day here, on commons or on sv, but so what? Doesn't mean he's left for good - could easily be on a wikibreak. If anything, the last I heard from him, over at commons, very much suggested to me that he was planning on staying and taking this further. The post of mine you cite above actually took me some time to word, as I was trying to approach the subject as tactfully and gently as I can - there is absolutely no problem at all with my asking him if he'd be willing to do this, and that's all I did, ask. As an administrator I do not have the upper hand, and so there is no power for me to abuse. _TalkIslander 17:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You know what you have done and you know that you have the upper hand. Islander (the real one) had no idea about this procedure and had no advance notice. And he has posted a message on his Swedish account that he will leave the project if he can't keep the name.--Bothnia (talk) 17:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Islander. As there is no meta medcom, I'm going to be sending both Islanders an email in hopes of resolving this conflict. I hope you'll keep an open mind so that we can work toward the best result for both of you. Bastique ^demandez 17:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I will certainly do my best to keep an open mind. Please be aware that I am fairly busy in real life over the next week or so, and completely unavailable over this coming weekend, so there may be delayed responses to your emails, but I will reply - I tell you this so that you don't think I'm ignoring you :). _TalkIslander 18:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sensing some hostility up there... I'm an admin at svwp, and would surely also be mad if this would happen to me, but that aside. The problem is obviously the implementation of SUL, not this particular situation. Islander, it would make things easier though, if you could choose to rerename yourself back to TheIslander, and claim that SUL account instead. It seems this is a bigger deal to Swedish Islander, and this compromise wouldn't really be too bad right? You've lived with that name long enough ~~and even still sign your posts with that name~~ (sorry, misread the vague "talk" as "the" /Grillo (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)). I believe a user name conflict is a silly thing to make someone leave the project over. /Grillo (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Grillo, I am grateful for your input, but this is a matter between myself and sv Islander. Though I am happy for certain others to mediate (Bastique thus far has been textbook-neutral, and I thank this user for that), I don't wish this to become a point of discussion for half of en:wp, sv:wp and commons. _TalkIslander 19:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course you don't want it to come up for discussion. Then it would become clear that your threat to usurp his account in Swedish Wikipedia is based on a relatively new policy and you have been aware of the fact that there was another Islander for quite some time and that he might mind this course of action. You could have suggested a compromise instead of presenting him with appears to be a fair accompli. As you have said yourself, you would be pissed if someone did that to you.--Bothnia (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite some time? Look at the date stamp, that link is from around 24 hours before my message to sv Islander. Now, with the greatest respect, this is an issue between myself, svIslander, and those mediating, and you are not one of them. This discussion is continuing in private. _TalkIslander 21:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

[edit] Protest (part 2)

(ctd. from above) Yes, quite some time. As you yourself pointed out, There's also the slight issue that he has approached me in the past, asking how I'm using his name, so I'm not too sure how he'd take it. As anyone who clicks on that link can see, you have known about sv:Islander since late February.

Sorry to bother you with this, but your actions clearly show that you are aware of the fact that your course of action is questionable and I think this is not just that concerns you, but the wider Wikipedia community. You are about to set a precedent a very recent policy, which may have consequences for users in many different versions of Wikipedia. By the way, I apologize if I sound confrontational and I regret some of my first remarks, but I do take this seriously.--Bothnia (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, none of this concerns local English Wikipedia policy. If anything, it is confined to Swedish Wikipedia policy and the Foundation implementation of unified login. There is currently a poll on meta (found here) to ratify the usurpation policy (found here). You are free to weigh in there with your opinion, and to make your feelings known to your local bureaucrats on the issue of usurping usernames of active and long term contributors. The framing of the policy did not, so far as I know, involve Islander (en.wp). Compared to many instances, he actually went out of his way to involve sv.wp Islander. I'd suggest you let Cary Bass (Wikimedia volunteer coordinator and en.wp user Bastique) settle this specific problem from here on out and instead involve yourself in the wider policy discussion. Avruch^T * ^ER 23:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Avurch, I appreciate your help. Bothnia, you no doubt noticed that I closed the discussion above. This was for a good reason - publically, this discussion is over. I am now discussing this with Cary Bass, privately, via email. This matter does not concern you, so with the greatest respect, drop it. 23:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iPlayer

It's hardly "illegal" hacking - it's just ways of getting value for money from our licence fee :D. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 22:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

...right, that's certainly an interesting way of looking at it. Hmm. Nope, still illegal hacking ;). _TalkIslander 23:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, worth a shot :P. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 23:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

For your help with anon IP reverts at One Canada Square. The whole 13th floor mystery/government building conspiracy is quite bizarre, IMO. I do plan to take a crack and clearing out all the unencylopedic mumbo-jumbo in the One Canada Square/13th floor "mystery" section. If I do, I hope you'll weigh in. We need more responsible editors on this section, again, IMO. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll certainly keep an eye on it - good luck ;) _TalkIslander 20:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forest of the Dead images

Might I trouble you to point out where the standards for the image shape are? I'd like to fix the images in place as well as ensure that I follow the rules and guidelines for such in the future.
As well, I think you are expecting the images to carry the entire article; they are not supposed to. They are instead supposed to compliment the article in such a way so as to be useful (not be decorative); to whit: "For critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television". As I think that most of the images do not fail NFCC criteria as posted, and serve to compliment the plot (which is where I intended one or two of them to be, and not as a replacement image for the infobox), I am unclear as to what your specific criticism is here. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] University of Surrey Sports Centre

I assume you have a reliable source for building work starting on the centre in 2007, otherwise you'd be adding original research to Wikipedia. The Independent story already used as a reference says work will start in 2008 -- can you provide an alternative reference? If not, would you mind reverting your own revert? Jonobennett (talk) 14:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

For a start, it's mentioned in the University Estates and Facilities Management Newsletter from Summer 2007, which can be seen here, but unfortunatly only by those with a UniS login. Also, it's talked about in a video on the Surrey Media Player, accessible through Surreylife (the university's intranet, again unfortunatly only accessible to those with a UniS login - there does seem to be a way to send the video via email, though I can't get it to work off-campus). I am looking out for external sources, and will post them as and when I find them. I can guarentee, however, that construction definitely started in 2007 - it caused me some problems, and as such I contacted the head groundsman a few times to recify them, so the head groundsman too could confirm that the works started in 2007 (not suprisingly - it would be worrying if he didn't know :P ). Part of the problem is probably that the Surrey Centre for Sport campaign didn't really start until 2008, which would be where the confusion is coming from. FYI, work on the second phase of Manor Park appeared to start in early 2008, though that's a different matter. _TalkIslander 16:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, just passing by. Would there be a value to adding a citation to the Newsletter with "(login required)"?Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Citv80slogo.JPG listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Citv80slogo.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fasach Nua (talk) 10:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:CITVLogo1992.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:CITVLogo1992.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fasach Nua (talk) 10:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trademarks

I don't particularly like your threats, or wikistalking, but I guess I have to put up with them, however when you are using this site to issue legal advice, please do more thorough research, than you did for this edit, the trade mark is easily accessible here from the United Kingdom's government Fasach Nua (talk) 10:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user's own talkpage. _TalkIslander 12:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)