Talk:Isle of Arran
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[edit] Lord of the Isles?
Arran can hardly have been granted to the 'Lord of the Isles' in 1263, for the simple reason that there was no Lord of the Isles. The first man so called was Good John of Islay in the fourteenth century. Rcpaterson 05:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- You are confusing the official Scottish title with the de facto Lords of the Isles. Somerled was not a 'Lord of the Isles' in the sense of his MacDonald descendants but noone is going to argue that he was not himself the Lord of the Isles/King of the Isles. There have been Lords of the Isles since the 12th century or arguably even earlier although the official title was no recognised/awarded by the Scottish crown until sometime later. siarach 09:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you are quite wrong. The designation Lord of the Isles was not an 'official Scottish title' in the sense that it was awarded by the crown; it was self-assumed by the chiefs of Clan Donald, and only later aquired formal recognition. The first man to use the title was John of Islay in a letter he sent to Edward III in 1336, where he described himself as Dominus Insularum -'Lord of the Isles.' I know that the traditional histories of Clan Donald argue that his predecessors, like Angus Og, were also Lords of the Isles, but this is not the case, and it is quite unhistorical to argue the contrary. In the past they had been awarded a variety of honours, the most prestigious of which was ri Innse Gall-King of the Hebrides, the title held by Somerled. Angus Og, who fought with Bruce at Bannockburn was only ever known as 'of Islay.'
The political context in which John of Islay assumed the title is also highly significant. Edward Balliol, with the support of the English King, was attempting to secure his uncertain title to the Scottish crown, making lavish promises of land grants to John in return for his help. John accepted the land, but clearly having no confidence in Edward Balliol, sought confirmation from Edward III, who was also Dominus Hibernie-Lord of Ireland. Here was one prince talking to another. John was quite deliberately taking on a semi-regal title to define himself in a far grander way than the other supporters of Balliol
I really have no wish to enter into one of these arcane-and pointless-discussion over semantics, all too common in these talk pages; but I do have to emphasize that while there were always lords in the Isles there were only ever four chiefs of Clan Donald who enjoyed the title of Dominus Insularum.
There is also, I have to say, not a trace of evidence that Arran was ever granted to the lords of Islay.
Rcpaterson 22:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Catacol whitebeam
Please note article catacol whitebeam - about tree recently discovered which is unique to Arran. --MacRusgail 15:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Only here for the beer
Although its probably true that "The most popular beer is the Arran Blonde" I can't see an obvious reference to that on the current version of website cited. Hilariously this states: "Unfortunately, our beer (both bottled and in Poly & Mini pins) is only available to customers in Mainland UK. We apologise for any inconvenience caused." Bad news for locals I imagine. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 18:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Arran logo.gif
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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
