Talk:Islamic view of Enoch

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Just curious if someone could help:

1) Is Idris attributed to have also invented (formal) logic?

2) Does the Qur'án indicate that Idris was Enoch, the grand-son of Noah, or is this derived from traditions or...?

Thanks! Brettz9 23:10, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have checked Qur'an there is not much information on Idris. It appears in twice but very little info. (Turkish version is searchable at www.kuran.gen.tr). I don't know any references but I guess it must be made by matching other names and their relations in Torah and Qur'an. Qur'an of course does not mention Enoch under that name. I didn't find anything mentioned on Idris being the grand-son of Noah in Qur'an when I searched "Idris".

But what is interesting is Manly Hall mentions in his book "Secret Teachings of All Ages" that Enoch is Egyptian God Thoth (Hermes Trismegistus or Dhjuwthy). Thoth was the creator of medicine, chemistry, law, art, astrology, music, rhetoric, anotomy and oratory. Rhetoric is closest to what you are asking. This discription matches what is written in the article. Aknxy 22:54, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

Is "the Enoch book of the bible preserved by the Ethiopian church" = Book of Enoch? Esquizombi 10:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 He is still alive? 2 Who is Idris? 3 Possible vandal? 4 This is not true!

[edit] He is still alive?

Assalamualaikum,

I am just wonder whether a section can be added to the article regarding his current status. I'd heard from my religous teacher that Idris (A.S) is still alive but he is in the heaven (Jannah).

Wallahua'lam (Only Allah knows more) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keep88 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

I Think that might be counted as OR. But if you could maybe find some Qur'an verses or Hadith it might work. Zazaban 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who is Idris?

Why is there an estimated date on here? That needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.172.5 (talk) 01:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

As far as I understand, the identification of Idris as the biblical Enoch is rather vague, and most books would simply say that he is commonly identified as such. I have always been intrigued by the Welsh legendary figure of Idris. There is a mountain in Wales called Cader Idris which means the seat of Idris. Interestingly (or coincidentally), cader = chair in Welsh sounds very close to the Arabic qa3ida, also meaning a sitting place. Can anyone shed light on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.200.196 (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The legendary Welsh Idris is often associated with King Arthur, who is a prophetic figure in British folklore, (although this association is equally tenuous.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salthebad (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is more appropriate to make title "Idris", and add the information that he's islamic view of enoch into the article. Article should be NPOV, this title is consequence of a judeo-christian POV which is not totally wrong but inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.230.45.231 (talk) 20:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible vandal?

Edit from 75.43.79.38 : Nöldeke suggests, not unreasonably, that Idris is none other than Andreas, Alexander the Great's cook.

I have removed the text for now. Xathria (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is not true!

Idris isn't Enoch, Idris (or to be more accurate, Edris) is Elias (Elijah), and the Qur'an says that God (Allah) raised him to higher place, and there is a hadith about Ibn Masoud (who was one of the Gospels of the prophet) in which he said literally: Edris is Elias. I am going to get you the references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.135.88.42 (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)