Talk:Islamic sexual jurisprudence
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[edit] Millionth topic pool
I was quite surprised to see this perfectly legitimate and encyclopedic topic on Wikipedia:Millionth topic pool. --BD2412 03:09, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Burqa Use
- How "common" is the burqa? I thought it is only worn in a few countries and not universally there. Its use in Afghanistan for example has declined sharply since the fall of the Taliban. I believe it is almost non-existant in some of the largest Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Turkey. --Polynova 03:20, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- My gut response, from seeing footage of Muslim countries on TV is to say that it's pretty common - but that is frankly a response based on ignorance. I could be completely wrong, but I anticipate that someone who knows more than I will come along and correct any of my misperceptions that may have leaked into the article. --BD2412 03:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm, I haven't been to the Middle-East but I lived in SE Asia for along time and Polynova is right, it's not particulary common in Indonesia or Malaysia and I wouldn't say it's that common among Muslim living outside Muslim countries, it was certainly not my experience in Dublin, Ireland living across the road from the biggest mosque in Ireland (it's not that big though, there aren't that many Muslims here) nor in any other countries I've visited... Anyway don't take this as an attack, it's not really a big deal, but I think it's best to remove the word "common" if it's being disputed. I think use of the khimar, the headscarf or veil is more common however I don't know how to integrate that into this article... there is more info at Hijab, External Hijab and Islam and clothing if you're up to it! :-) -- Lochaber 11:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Agree with removing "common". Not up to additional research on this topic just yet (hands full with law topics) but if no one else expands on it, I will get back to it at some point. -- 8^D BD2412gab 12:36, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
- Instead of using burqa, why not say Hijab so that all sects of Islam are included?
- Agree with removing "common". Not up to additional research on this topic just yet (hands full with law topics) but if no one else expands on it, I will get back to it at some point. -- 8^D BD2412gab 12:36, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
- Hmm, I haven't been to the Middle-East but I lived in SE Asia for along time and Polynova is right, it's not particulary common in Indonesia or Malaysia and I wouldn't say it's that common among Muslim living outside Muslim countries, it was certainly not my experience in Dublin, Ireland living across the road from the biggest mosque in Ireland (it's not that big though, there aren't that many Muslims here) nor in any other countries I've visited... Anyway don't take this as an attack, it's not really a big deal, but I think it's best to remove the word "common" if it's being disputed. I think use of the khimar, the headscarf or veil is more common however I don't know how to integrate that into this article... there is more info at Hijab, External Hijab and Islam and clothing if you're up to it! :-) -- Lochaber 11:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- My gut response, from seeing footage of Muslim countries on TV is to say that it's pretty common - but that is frankly a response based on ignorance. I could be completely wrong, but I anticipate that someone who knows more than I will come along and correct any of my misperceptions that may have leaked into the article. --BD2412 03:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Prohibitions on sex
- Re: "Although the Quran specifically forbids intercourse during a woman's period of menstruation, there is no other general prohibition on sexual relations within the marriage itself." Isn't sex prohibited in daylight hours during Ramadan? I believe it is also prohibited to those making the hajj pilgrimage. If this is true, the quoted section needs to be changed. --Polynova 03:20, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Ah, here I was going entirely on what I read on the first external link, which seemed fairly comprehensive. If I'm wrong, see response to question 1. --BD2412 03:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] revision
A REALLY GREAT job! I propose to take a look att the Muslim guild to see some proposed standards regarding hadith and Quran quotation. Also, i insit on having the fatwa included. again, a great job!
--Striver 03:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- Agh, I was going in phases and we were editing at the same time ... I *hope* I got whatever changes you made reconciled back into it; sincere apologies if I didn't. Hadith ... definitely want to root through and pick out at least one unified, sourceable translation rather than the slapdash deal. And if you've standards for quoting them, I'd love to see them. :) Qur'an passages are Haleem just because it's the one on my desk right now ... honestly, might have to switch them out to Yusuf Ali or something; copyright, fair use, yada yada. Since it has to be in english I hate to lose the comprehendible style english, though. --M. Landers 04:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] External link removed
66.226.196.12 removed this external link from the article, Critical article on Sex and Sexuality in Islam from Islam Review, explaining "I have removed the following link because the article is absolutely false, wrong, and incorrectly and grossly portrays women in Islam." I do not disagree with this assessment, but I do not know enough about the topic to discern if that is an accurate characterization of the article, and would welcome additional comments. Cheers! BD2412 T 05:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexuality
"It is not always clear whether or not the Qur'an specifically refers to female homosexuality."
Actually it seems to be very clear on the matter, as can be seen from these various translations: [Noble Qur'an]
004.015 - 004.016
YUSUFALI:
15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
16 If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL:
15 As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).
16 And as for the two of you who are guilty thereof, punish them both. And if they repent and improve, then let them be. Lo! Allah is ever relenting, Merciful.
SHAKIR:
15 And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.
16 And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
They all seem to say that what is prohibited to women (lewdess or indecency) is also prohibited to men and lewdness or indecency may be taken to mean (in part) homosexuality. This can be seen from the story of Lot taken from . . .
007.080 - 007.081
YUSUFALI:
80 We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81 "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
PICKTHAL:
80 And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?
81 Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk.
SHAKIR:
80 And (We sent) Lut when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you?
81 Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people.
Thus:
... lusts on men in preference to women ... (007.081 : YUSUFALI) is identified as commit(ing) lewdness (007.080 : YUSUFALI) and lewdess is the same for women as it is for men.
[edit] rape
Here is some guys comment about rape: http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006050803122
--Striver 03:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adolescent sexuality article
The Adolescent sexuality article needs a broader perspective, an Islamic perspective would be useful, please have a look at it. Paul foord 00:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Problem
"Sex outside of marriage" is not the same as Adultery, though this article treats them as identical. We need sources and references for the Islamic view of the (lesser sin of?) pre-marital sex as well. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 03:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
