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Who ever has written this page, I'll say that you are so much sex obsessed, you didn't find anything else in Islamic teachings about the pleasures of heaven, except for that sex with the huris, the concept of heaven in Islam is very pure and its not as you have portrayed it . I must say that this type of people shouldn't allow to give their less studied opinions on net as they can misguide others, I am not saying that this concept is wrong but its not as frustrated as it has been represented here. one should go and check Quran for the right information. NADIA


Comment from User:217.44.75.41:

note from a reader-- this pornographic essay is fairly obviously not scholarly but propagandistic in its focus. How would you like it if I put some similarly juicy passages from the Siphra Tzdiniutha into a summary article on Kabbalah?

Note: The Quran explicitly says what the article says in more than one place - read it. However, I would say there are equally troubling (to liberal, modern eyes) parts of the Bible. There's no point denying things that can be easily looked up by anyone.

There is also no point highlighting what is truly minor elements and misrepresent them as having more importance than they are given in the muslim texts.

Furthermore, the discussion of the afterlife in this article are out of place. This article should cover the ample references and prophecies of things to occur toward the end of history and the end of the world.

There are the minor signs and the major signs. The signs that have occured and those that haven't.

finally, the persistent mention by this and other anti-muslim authors of the Ahmadiyya as a "minority" group of muslims is laughable.

It is akin to inserting the views of unitarians or branch davidians in every article about christianity, or inserting the views of madonna's kabbala , or modern day jewish atheism (like herzl's and ayn rand) into articles about judaism.

The shi`a are an example of a minority among muslims. The ahmadiya are not.

Of 1.2 billion muslims in the world, even if there are 100,000 Ahmadiya today (which I doubt) that would be equal to 0.0083 percent of muslims.

That's not even minority. That's nothing - just a clearly isolated case of splinter heresy - especially that they are regarded as heretics by a consensus of ALL muslims (shi`a and sunnah).

This just goes to show the unreliability of this article's author and perhaps his motivation to distort and confuse rather than educate.

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[edit] Book 37, Number 4310:

Since Christianity is the worship of Jesus I found a bit ridiculous that Jesus would ban it. So I checked the book and lo and behold I could find one mention of Christianity.

Since the report didn't mention a spefic line(See Below ***) I'll assume the author meant this one.

Book 37, Number 4310: He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah.

I don't know what break the cross means but 1)kill swine http://www.webziner.com/islam/whypork.htm

     first google link

http://www.eat-halal.com/articles/pork.shtml

  The abstention from eating pork is one of the steps taken by Islam to     practise hygiene and to attain purity of soul.

2)abolish jizyah http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/glossary/term.JIZYAH.html

   a tax paid by non-Muslims living in a Muslim State. Since the non-Muslims are exempt from military service and taxes imposed on Muslims, they must pay this tax to compensate. It guarentees them security and protection. If the State cannot protect those who paid jizyah, then the amount they paid is returned to them.

There is a hadith that states that upon the return of Jesus ('Isa), he will abolish Christianity

      • I can see now why the author never include a direct link to the above mentioned line because it would be obvious how full of shit the statement was. So instead it was buried amognst many other lines

Not bad for a an athiest eh? Grade F-

[edit] Break the cross

If Jesus died on the cross I'd think he'd want to break the cross too.

[edit] Like the other Abrahamic... etc

I removed this phrase from the article because I was fairly sure that Judaism, an Abrahamic faith, doesn't necessarily hold immortality of the soul as a tenent. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=118&letter=I This academic source seems to support my recollection. My edit was reverted, and I was warned to do tests in the sandbox - but this isn't a test. It's a correction of an inaccuracy. I'm going to reinstate my edit.--Colindownes 05:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is this

Is this a shia, sunni or Muslim doctrine? --Striver 00:43, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to the article. This article is about Muslim beliefs referring to the end of the world. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 00:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah... ok... No comments from my side, dont know much about that... Im more historicaly oriented :)--Striver 01:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spiritual/Physical

I don't know much but I'm thinking the afterlife in Islam is physical, not purely spiritual (Qur'an 75:1,3,4):

  • I do call to witness the Resurrection Day;
  • Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones?
  • Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.

Maybe the last paragraph in Punishment needs removing/citing? Ackie00 03:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think more information about the spirit or roh is needed because many people reading this won't understand that. Citing will help. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 19:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The Quran states that humans cannot know what form their next existance will take:
"We have decreed Death to be your common lot, and We are not to be frustrated
from changing your Forms and creating you (again) in (forms) that ye know not." (Quran 56:60,61)
In an attempt to describe the unknowable most people would probably feel comfortable using the term "spiritual". Nazli 22:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

That's BS. If the afterlife is purely spiritual, how can the unbelievers skin be burned off? Believers on the last day are, according to one Hadith, going to meat and beat eachother until they are "purified." This and many other instances seem to indicate that a physical afterlife is intended for believers and non-believers alike. After all, how can "spirits" enjoy such lust sex lives and drink of such flowing water and wine?

Also, the part about the skin have nerve receptors is also pure BS. The Quran nor the Sunnah never mention any such thing, although the article would like you to believe that (how can "spirits" have nerve receptors anyway? you can't have it both ways). It's proselytizing pure and simple, the old "Scientific Miracle Quran" baloney Islamic apologists try to pull over everyone else's eyes all the time. This is not the place for that.

Just to let you know, you can't take "one Hadith" as being representative of Muslim belief, especially as you don't state where its from.Ackie00 05:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 542:

   Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

   Allah's Apostle said, "The believers, after being saved from the (Hell) Fire, will be stopped at a bridge between Paradise and Hell and mutual retaliation will be established among them regarding wrongs they have committed in the world against one another. After they are cleansed and purified (through the retaliation), they will be admitted into Paradise; and by Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, everyone of them will know his dwelling in Paradise better than he knew his dwelling in this world."

This seems to imply, at least to me, physical "retaliation." I suppose "beat", though, might not have been the word to use; my other points still stand.

The hadith immediately before explains more fully:
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 76, Number 541:
   Narrated Abu Huraira: 

   Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever has wronged his brother, should ask for his pardon (before his death), as (in the Hereafter) there will be neither a Dinar nor a Dirham. (He should secure pardon in this life) before some of his good deeds are taken and paid to his brother, or, if he has done no good deeds, some of the bad deeds of his brother are taken to be loaded on him (in the Hereafter)."
I don't have any problems with your other points. Ackie00 22:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)