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[edit] POV Problems

The first section reads like an advertisement, and needs some work. This article also needs expansion and images if an expert on the subject and proper images can be found.--JagSeal 23:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MILHIST Assessment

A nice start. Just needs expansion, and some better organization. That first box should be moved to the right, or otherwise out of the way of the opening of the article. The Ensign of the navy should be included if you can find it. LordAmeth 11:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] numbers

Here there says the navy has 20,600 and there are 3,000 marines that would together make 23,600 but on the military of Iran page there sais the navy has got 18,000 so which one is wrong? The Honorable Kermanshahi 14:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Iran Navy has 18,000 men and 2,600 aviation men (total: 20,600 men ) and 3,000 marines. [1][2] VatooVatoo 10:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

These sources you have put have their information from wikipedia so they are not valued. And if Iran would have had 18,000 men ,2,600 aviation men and 3,000 marines they would have been counted by csis. So better get some good sources.The Honorable Kermanshahi 19:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, both the webpages linked are mirrors of wikipedia, and therefore can't really be used as sources for this article. This article gives a strength of 20,000 including marines, while this suggests a strength of 18,000 plus three battalions of marines. I'm not entirely sure about the size of an Iranian battalion, but I would estimate it at 800 or so, giving the Iranian Navy about 2400 marines, or 20,400 total personnel in this case. I would say that the total strength of the Iranian navy (including marines) is about 20,000, give or take a few hundred. Carom 21:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Please read this page 26. It is wrote at December 28, 1998 and is very old so iran navy now must be sized up

There mentioned:

Category/Weapon 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 1999
Total Naval Manpower 15,000 20,000 20,000 26,500 38,000 38,600*
Regular Manpower 15,000 20,000 20,000 14,500 20,000 20,600
Naval Guards 0 0 8,000? 12,000? 18,000 18,000
Marines (1,000) (1,000) (1,000) (1,200) (1,200) (5,000) 
* Does not include well over one million potential reserves in the Basiij.

There mentioned 20,600 regular manpower + 5000 marines --VatooVatoo 22:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's evidently disagreement over the size of the Iranian Navy, but the source you've provided seems to be the most reliable of the bunch. I would be satisifed to list the strength as something like "20600, plus 5000 marines (as of 1998)" - with an appropriate citation, of course. Carom 14:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

In that case I would want this to be added to Irans number of troops so with 25,600 instead of 18,000 that would than make the total amounth 545,000-18,000=527,000 527,000+25,600=552,600. It sould be changed in the text, on the iran menu template and on the list os countries by number of total and active troops. Also the total amounth of forces should be updated to 12,292,600 Instead of 12,285,000. The Honorable Kermanshahi 14:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

That would seem sensible, the key (as always) is to provide citations for the numbers. Carom 14:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes but why arn't we adding the naval guards? The Honorable Kermanshahi 14:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I dont know what is "naval guards"? maybe it is Pasdaran or Islamic Revolutionary Guards navy. What you think? --VatooVatoo 17:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Given that they are listed separately from the "regular" strength, I suspect they are reserves or auxiliaries of some kind, although the name does encourage the impression that they are some part of the Revolutionary Guards. One way to resolve the issue might be to list the total (38,600) with an explanatory footnote that breaks down the composition and provides a link to the source. Carom 17:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

They are now revolutionary Guards, The IRGC Navy has 20,000 men and they're not part of the regular navy and are not called Naval Guards eigther, maybe they are coastal defense or coastal patrol? or maybe they guard the ships or they're para military in wich case they have to be added to the 11,390,000. The Honorable Kermanshahi 18:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I found new documents from CSIS, and realize that navy size of Iran, instead of sizing up, sized down. Please look this page 36. You will see there Iran navy size went down after year 2000 and become 18,000 men. Also in this document page 5 you can sea 15,400 navy men and 2,600 marines. Maybe some navy forces transfered to IRGC. So sorry for my mistake and insistence for wrong navy size. --VatooVatoo 19:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Some nice research there to clarify that issue. Presumably we can list the size as 18,000 with a note that it includes 2,600 marines? And I see you've already done that. Nice work! Carom 19:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

For more clarify, I expand the table:

Category/Weapon 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 1999 2000 2005 2006
Total Naval Manpower 15,000 20,000 28,000 26,500 38,000 38,600 38,600 38,000 38,000
Regular Manpower 14,000 19,000 19,000 13,300 15,000 15,600 15,600 15,400 15,400
Naval Guards 0 0 8,000? 12,000? 18,000 18,000 18,000 20,000 20,000
Marines 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,200 1,200 5,000 5,000 2,600 2,600

Do you have any idea for naval guard. because CSIS reports continue to mention it?! --VatooVatoo 19:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

So I was right wasn't I? And those Naval Guards might be revolutionary guard navy cause on this table their manpower is 20,000 and the revolutionary guards also have that. The Honorable Kermanshahi 07:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The numbers seem to tally correctly now; while I don't want to assume that the "naval guards" are, in fact, revolutionary guards, the numbers seem to support such a conclusion. Carom 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know, the revolutionary guard navy personel are not (normally) called Naval Guards, but what else are they? Iran doesn't have a paramilitary organisation called Naval Guards and it sounds a bit like they are revolutionary guards plus the numbers support the conclusion. The Honorable Kermanshahi 06:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)