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I have called the template {{Iranian Air Force}} for simplicity's sake, and done the same for the related articles. "History of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force" and "Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force warrant officer rank insignia" would be excessively long article titles. The main article should stay where it is though, and we should probably move Iranian Army to Islamic Republic of Iran Army or Islamic Republic of Iran Ground Forces, whichever better reflects the native Persian name. (Which is? --- good question! Can anybody find it? Google searches aren't turning much up). --Jpbrenna 3 July 2005 20:44 (UTC)

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[edit] Planes belonging to IRGC AF

Embraer EMB 312 Tucano that is listed here as trainers are trainers for the IRGC AF and the Chinese movie star F7s also belong to IRGC AF. I have no quotation. I leave it to you guys to make the changes if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magician 60 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foundation of IIAF

The iranian air force was founded in the 1920ties.

They had Junkers F13 - modified with guns.

Also before WW2 they had Hawker Fury and many other different planes in their air force. So I think this has to be corrected.

[edit] More Work

If anyone has the time to lengthen this check out ACIG.org and the works by Tom Cooper Pickle 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History?

It says there's a main article for history, but at a quick glance, the history section on this page seems more detailed than what I see in the history article itself.BabyNuke 17:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not neutral

Written from an Iranian POV. Describes terrotorial gains in war as "liberation". Description of Iran's airforce in Iran-Iraq conflict is boastful. Operational capabilites of current air foils in use by Iran is exagerrated.


See http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f14_6.html for instance (but not limited) to an account of how poorly the iranian air force was maintained during the war. F-14s were being used as RADAR platforms, not as fighting machines -- this is widely claimed in many sources.

  • This isn't entirely true. Primarily F-14 were used in Radar picket and AEW roles, there are several reports of IRIAF Tomcats intercepting engaging Iraqi aircraft. I have some hard copy files that reference this. I'll post the references when I find them. (Bobbo9000 03:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Bobbo9000)

[edit] Re: Not neutral

The areas were indeed liberated, since they had prior to that been invaded by Iraq. Iranians land, invaded and occupied by Iraq got liberated by Iran. As you see there was not territorial gains. You should also look abit more closely on that link you posted, it says all kinds of different things, nothing conclusive.

[edit] Re: Not neutral

According to US sources the iranian F-14 pilot Major Jalal Zandi is the pilot with the most kills with a F14. They say that he made 9 kills. Iranian sources claim 12 kills. So - by only taking this example - how this single pilot made all this kills with his F-14 if his plane was so poorly maintained and only used as a RADAR platform? Its a fact that the iranian air force was highly succesful in Iran-Iraq-War. Even when they were badly outnumbered they had the air superiority over key areas. The IRIAF-pilots were trained in the USA with superior tactics before the revolution - so thats the reason why they could fight so effectively against the arabs with their poor soviet training.

[edit] Sukhoi Su-27/30

As of yet, there has been nothing concrete about the IRIAF acquiring any Su-27/30 at all. There has been a bit of speculation about this, but still nothing confirmed from either the manufacturer or the IRIAF. I don't believe there should any reference to the Su-27s even if they're for evaluation purposes as these reports are all hearsay. The IRIAF is interested in these aircraft, but that shouldn't mean instant inclusion into this artile.

If someone has something concrete, could they post any links here or reference them appropriately? Also, please make sure the articles are accurate and not conjecture (A recent addition to the Su-30 page had a link to a conservative Israeli newspaper website claiming deal for 250+ Su-30s, however this story has recently been proven false.) (Bobbo9000 03:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Bobbo9000)

Let's not use Debaka file as a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magician 60 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saab Safari

The article for the Safari states it's a swedish designed plane, and Saab is a swedish company... even if the planes were assembled elsewhere country of origin should still read as sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.96.45 (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

There is too much vandalism around on this artickle, specially by unregistered users to the inventory list. So I will be reverting all these vandalism edits every time. The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

As will I. A large part of the vandalism is from this user, as you can see.—DMCer™ 15:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Not vandalism per se, but significant levels of disruption. I've just semi-protected it. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it was much-needed.—DMCer™ 08:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)