User talk:Ishango

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[edit] Indo-Trinidadian

Can you please explain your rationale for removing material from the Indo-Trinidadian article on the appropriate talk page. Thanks. Guettarda 01:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Afro-Trinidadian

What problem do you have with the material you deleted from that article? Please do explain. Guettarda 04:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scope of articles

I cut the statement back to the simple factor that the UNC derives most of its support from Indians.

My real point though is one of scope of articles. While I don't agree with everything you said, the major point is that the Afro- and Indo- articles are supposed to say something about the groups - regardless of the validity of the races, and the one line on politics is meant only to be that - not an analysis of political voting, just a statement of a correlation.

I am not analysing anything.I am arguing by pointing out examples. I don't disagree that people vote race. They do, but simply as a matter of fact one has to indicate that race - voting is only one of the factors. Intrinidad, people vote by other factors as well. Moreover, these factors override race. That is all I am asking. You have to put that in your articles. The UNC would have never won any election, if they had solely depended on Indos. This is a fact: you nor anyone else can deny this, and by this sheer fact alone, one must not deny its place in Wikipedia. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

I do not mean to imply causation, I do not mean to say that people only vote race, or even to say that they vote race at all (although that has been my experience). To put it otherwise - my father's family is originally Muslim (Roy Joseph's wife was my great-aunt's sister). My voting patterns could entirely be predicted by that bit of information - not only have I only voted for Indians, I have only voted for Muslims. This does not make my voting race- or religion-based. In 1991 I voted for Nizam Mohammed for because of the person and to cling to the NAR dream of "one love" (I was naive). In 1992 I voted for a local government candidate whose name I can't remember out of stubbornness (ie, still voting NAR). After that I voted for Hamza for a variety of reasons, none of them connected to my opinion of him. Do I vote race? Yes, if you simply count my votes, no if you look at the underlying drivers. Saying I have only voted for Indians is true. Saying I voted based on race is false. I wasn't saying that Indo-Trinis vote on race, although in my experience, it's often true.

But you see, you are also another perfect example. Of what I talk about. Other factors influenced your vote. Race may have been one of them, but it wasn't the only one. One thing that I have noticed even with those who claim they vote appanjhat (both Afro and Indo): This is not so for only you but for me, (I have never voted since I have turned 18 in 1997)! and for a whole host of people who vote and never vote.

I'm glad you are here in Wikipedia, and I appreciate your interest in getting beyond stereotypes. I think that your disclaimer with regards to race is appropriate, but the way it's worded it's too much of a broad generalisation - it ends up distracting from the article.

Yes, Thank You, I am sorry that I came off so strongly earlier. It is just that I feel very strongly, coming from Trinidad, Belmont and D'Abadie. And experienced a lot, which confused me about my country.I read the papers, consulted books, and even went to Mr. LLoyd Best in Tunapuna after an invite and attended their Thursday-night meetings. It is from there and giong to the National Archives, that I got a good sense of what Trinidad and Tobago is about.

I'm not sure if you've found all the other TT-related articles - have a look at Category:Trinidad and Tobago and look through the sub-categories. I would also like to invite you to drop by the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. I'm sorry we have gotten off to a bad start, but I really am glad you are here. The more coverage of TT the better, as far as I am concerned. WhenI got here there was very little. I have added an awful lot of very very short articles that need to be fleshed out and developed. Please do stick around. Guettarda 15:58, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket

You might also want to have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket - they're short on people to contribute to WIndies cricket. Guettarda 22:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Ishangobone1.gif

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[edit] Afro-Trini cat

Just wondering about usage - should it be hyphenated (Afro-Trinidadians rather than Afro Trinidadians), or should Indo-Trinidadians be de-hyphenated (I think that the cats should be consistent). Guettarda 16:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Also - you need to actually create the category page (click through and save the page, put it into categories). Guettarda 16:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The main reason (other than laziness/a short attention span) that I never created this cat was that I wasn't sure how broadly to apply it - should it be used logically (anyone with substantial African ancestry - people like Mervyn Assam or Max Richards) or should it be used more narrowly, for people of predominantly African ancestry? Should also be able to have cats of Chinese Trinis, Payol, Portuguese, Lebanese, French Creole (another problem - White Trini, or French creole + Portuguese + Corsican + English?) Guettarda 16:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Intro bones.gif listed for deletion

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Sue Anne 00:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kamla

There's a stub on Kamla - Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Guettarda 17:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sweet!

Sweet! I'll try to get on the others. Especially Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj. I'll also try to do on some of the PNM,... at a much later date of course.

Have a look at House of Representatives of Trinidad and Tobago - you can see who has articles and who doesn't. The list is rather short, and there are huge holes - we badly need articles on people like Rowley and Saith, also the old PNM heavyweights like John Donaldson, Eckstein, Patrick Solomon. McLeod and Weekes need articles badly.
Also might want to have a look at Category:Former members of the House of Representatives of Trinidad and Tobago and the various subcategories below Category:Trinidad and Tobago people.
We need articles on COSTAAT and the University of Trinidad and Tobago as well. Guettarda 11:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sea Lots and Laventille

A new user, Triple_A_soldier (talk · contribs) started an article on Sea Lots and added a lot to Laventille. What he had to say was pretty negative, and focussed on crime. I was wondering if you would have a look at it. I haven't looked to closely at the Laventille stuff yet, but I looked at the Sea Lots stuff. It's negative enough that some other editors have tagged it, but the truth is that I don't know anything positive to say about Sea Lots (I found that realisation quite saddening). Could you have a look at it? Thanks. Guettarda 15:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corridor

By "After gleaning the works of a technocrat named Lynette Attwell", do you mean that Best based his description on Atwell's work? If so, probably best to just say that. Do you know where Best cmae up with this term first? Do you know which works of Atwell's? Any refs you could tracdk down would improve the article a lot. Guettarda 16:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corridor Works

Well yes, he did admit i t in a kind of obituatry in the Trinidad and Tobago Review. I will have to check it but of this I am very certain. I guess you can google it,... .--Ishango 17:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Okay, fair enough if you feel the article is unbalanced then by all means correct it. But, a couple of tips;

  1. An attitude like "Enough is enough continue and I will continue" will not get you very far. Changes (especially controversial ones can only be achieved via consensus, and an attitude like that will certainly ultimately result in your being excluded from that process. So, assume good faith and work with other editors.

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[edit] Crime in Trinidad and Tobago

Please do not remove content from Wikipedia, as you did to Crime in Trinidad and Tobago. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -- — xaosflux Talk 04:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Afro trinidadian

hey, I don't actually know?? In most former slave countries there were first slaves and freedmen and after some time and after abolition they got bunched together under names like Afro-Cuban, Creoles etc. I'd really like to know about the situation of Trinidadian French Creole?? Is it dying out?Domsta333 12:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The OED lists the first use of Afro-Caribbean as 1958. Afro-Trini is presumably newer than that. The oldest use of the term I can find is from 1962 - George E. Simpson, 1962, Folk Medicine in Trinidad. The Journal of American Folklore Vol. 75, No. 298 pp. 326-340 Guettarda 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Persecution of Hindus‎

Per my note attached to the page history (Undid revision 159716281 by Ishango (talk) per no notes or disscussion for major removal). You need to add notes to your changes or discuss MAJOR changes on the talk page. The rational for all major article changes needs to be clearly communicated, otherwise it is considered vandalism. MsDivagin 17:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)