Talk:Isaac Brock (musician)

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[edit] Removed possible vandalism

I removed the final sentence of the entry that read " Judge, Justin "magician" Cole preceeded over the trial." At first I noticed that "preceeded" was likely intended to be "presided", and then I realized most judges don't have nicknames like amateur boxers, and the full sentence is probably junk. 70.108.70.148 00:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Identical article

Er. Forgive my lack of knowledge in editing this, but Last.fm has pretty much the same exact article about Isaac. http://www.last.fm/music/Isaac+Brock/+wiki I don't know who's copying who, I just thought it should be brought to attention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.0.185.120 (talk • contribs) 9 March 2006.

The Last.fm article was copied from Wikipedia on Mar 4, 2006, 12:13; see the Last.fm page history. --Muchness 02:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black eye?

Does anyone have any info about the black eye he had when he appeared on Comedy Central's New Years show thingy? They came out under the name of "Timid Turtle" - and he had a big black eye. Fight? Sgarza 18:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I remember at another public appearance, I think it was the grammys or something like that, on the red carpet (he was pretty drunk from what I remember) he said he had the make-up artist do it as a joke. Don't know how true that is though. 24.34.72.226 05:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

he got it at the last german show after a couple guys got too rowdy on booze and apparently threw a bottle at him after the show/before. see your magazines that cover this for an article from aroudn the time (im pretty sure its in pitchfork) 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sign posts, please!

Can we please sign our posts to the discussion pages? --Rhombus 21:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

What the fuck does "balls to the wall" mean? --130.238.5.5 20:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What doesnt that mean?

Heheh.... i dunno This guy is a great artist and has a great band

Shouldn't this mention, at least in passing, his obvious alcoholism?

-Nah, It's already blatent... But, it should give an example of his lyrics and mention his obvious genious.

i was told by the guy that introduced me to the band that he was a heroin addict up until their most recent cd, which featured float on (and i know how terrible this sounds), but that that is why their latest cd wasnt so great.

[edit] Bull C#@P

I know most of this article is BS. I grew up with Isaac in Issaquah and graduated at the same high school in 1994(this is bull shit isacc droped out after tenth grade dont belive me go to youtube and look at all 5 parts of the modest mouse untitled documentary). I saw where he lived from the time he was in 4th grade till 8th then we ran in diffrent circles. He lived in appartments next to the elementry school. He then went to the alternitive high school. As far as the father thing I dont know and before that I dont know and after high school I dont know. But best of luck to him. Its all nice on ice apparently.

Signed

Future MD of America —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.147.3.25 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 10 May 2006.

Without verifiable sources we can't add this info to the article – see WP:V. --Muchness 09:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Seems to be vandalism/nonsense...If you really grew up with him, prove it...I don't know how you would, but whatever. Arnesh 11:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
na, alot of the band stories are pretty made up. esp the ugly cassanova stuff, which they have admited making up. honestly ive always felt this story was little too ridiculous to be real, but its all part of the modest mouse grandeur68.45.172.216 07:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Probaby true, but you can't put uncited info in the article. I've heard lots of different stories of Mouse's background, but this one is pretty much the only one with a citation. A lot of the things don't add up too, like the fact that the memebers on Sad Sappy Sucker, their first recordings, was made up of Isaac, Jeremiah, Dann, and John, but they said that in their very beginnings, the band just started with Isaac, Jeremiah, and Eric. Heh, this band seems to be shrouded in rumors and bullshit. Oh well... Arnesh 11:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I've heard many different versions of Isaac's story. Most, however, say he grew up in a trailer and is actually, as of 2007, 32 years old, http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/modestmouse/articles/story/6298112/modest_mouse_roar. Donomight 03:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
why don't you geniuses actually cite the documentary? 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia is not a music forum/myspace

Half of the posts on this talk page have nothing to do with this article and are basically just are arguements that basically boil down to "Modest Mouse sucks! Brock is an asshole!" or "Brock's lyrics have changed my life.", etc. Even talk pages have limits. I'm going to remove these unconstructive comments. Only post things that will actually improve this article. Arnesh 11:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we should be lenient as to what is placed on the discussion pages. 80.47.225.147 12:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Too bad. Arnesh 11:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accent/Lisp?

I know this sounds rude, but I really like I'm not sure. if it's an accent or a lisp that he has, but I like the tone it brings to his voice. Does anyone happen to know anything about this? JavaDog 22:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Brock does have a lisp, but maybe he recognizes and accepts it. It make him individual as a singer.


63.3.67.132 06:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Don B.

I rather favor it. I was wondering if it has some kind of name to it? JavaDog 01:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's worth including in the article. Singers with lisps are pretty rare. Singers with lisps who get covered on 'American Idol' are 1.

he has a lisp, and a unique singing style. there's various articles (unremembered by the poster) that mention this, or have him talking about his unique sing-talking style and how people didn't really like it, and if they booed they'd play "crazy gnome". 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Self Mutilation

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/Isaac_Brock_SelfMutilates_at_South_Dakota_Gig#41806 This seems notable, and there is your source, which links to 2 YouTube videos further validating the claim. Is this potential libelous? FerventDove 22:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but I think it should also be mentioned that this isn't the first time hes done this. He's cut himself on stage before as part of his performance. This one just got more out of hand. But thats never mentioned in any article about that show. It should be here. Here is a video of a 2002 show in which he cuts himself: Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQhmh5H6WE Full Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thd7sycS4CQ Its just something he does on stage, simular to when Jimi Hendrix would smash his guitar, etc.

This section was removed, but I reverted it. In my eyes, it doesn't violate Living Person standards, but if others feel differently, we could go to a vote. It's well sourced, neutral in tone and otherwise encyclopedic in style. FerventDove 18:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Drug Use

Brock's drug use isn't really mentioned in his article for whatever reason. While playing Out Of Gas from a live 1997 Seattle show I can clearly hear him say "out of speed out of crank out of blow out of what I need to go." Powerful stuff (just my biased opinion) - if anyone wants to use it in any additions to this article. 76.17.40.86 18:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

While very interesting and believable, original research, and unsourced. If anyone has a good citation regarding Mr. Brock's use of psychotropic substances, it would be very useful in this article. FerventDove 18:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of songs where Isaac, directly or indirectly, references drugs. (Truckers Atlas, Interstate 8, All Night Diner, The Good Times Are Killing Me, Other People's Lives, etc). If anyone has or can dig up enough information to add it to the article, it would be appreciated. Serival (talk) 22:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

also isaac refers to the the bible and he is not religious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.134.24 (talk) 22:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

he is agnostic, or was for most of the career of modest mouse to this date.. although he's changed many things in his life and cleaned up.. dropped drugs, etc... his religious status is debatable, and various sources would be contradictory. a lyrical 'source' of former agnosticism.. "I was in heaven, I was in hell; believe in neither but fear them as well" (from Doin' The Cockroach)76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Um.. wasn't he born in 1975? I recall a documentary that was made in 97 (it's on youtube) in which he is shown buying beer, and tells a story about how he was arrested for drinking because "no one was 21 yet." This means he was 21 or older when this documentary was made in 97, which means he couldn't have been born in 77.

[edit] "offshoot circles?"

What does it mean to say that Brock and his mother "moved around in different offshoot circles?" Does that mean suburbs? Social circles? Offshoots of what? A religion?

his mother was in cults and dragged him to some of them (to find my articles for sources later)76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


78.131.23.90 (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)